Mini 637: Xyl's Smalltown Plus - Game Over

[armlx]

By "insignificant" I mean the way Armlx goes after posts where the words are not completely clear, because of unfortunate positioning, or some other reason, and then acts like it is the most massive scumtell in the entire game.

Examples plz.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Considerably, I think burden of proof lies on you to explain how it is self-contradictory. I mean, all you said was "It is self-contradictory", without explaining how.

I have already proven how it was. The first sentence is him saying the voting "Could mean anything", the second is him ascribing a specific meaning to it.

He says it could mean anything, and then offers up a possibility of what it could mean.

How is that self-contradictory?

[ZombieSlayer54]

By "insignificant" I mean the way Armlx goes after posts where the words are not completely clear, because of unfortunate positioning, or some other reason, and then acts like it is the most massive scumtell in the entire game.

Examples plz.

Uhh... The whole "self-contradictory post" thing?

[armlx]

Uhh... The whole "self-contradictory post" thing?

So one thing that occurred AFTER you voted me?

Looks like someone is retroactively stretching for reasons.

You also are blowing my attack on pwnz out of proportion with your "case" on me, especially given my vote is still on you and has remained there the whole time.

And read the post again. The clear implication of his first sentence is he has no clue what it means.

[armlx]

Uhh... The whole "self-contradictory post" thing?

So one thing that occurred AFTER you voted me?

Looks like someone is retroactively stretching for reasons.

You also are blowing my attack on pwnz out of proportion with your "case" on me, especially given my vote is still on you and has remained there the whole time.

And read the post again. The clear implication of his first sentence is he has no clue what it means.

[armlx]

Hmmm, that was odd. The site went down when I tried to post the first time, so I tried again and then both showed up. Mod, feel free to delete this post and one of my duplicates.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Uhh... The whole "self-contradictory post" thing?

So one thing that occurred AFTER you voted me?

Looks like someone is retroactively stretching for reasons.

You also are blowing my attack on pwnz out of proportion with your "case" on me, especially given my vote is still on you and has remained there the whole time.

And read the post again. The clear implication of his first sentence is he has no clue what it means.

I thought I already said my immediate vote was for the "Kill the Suggester", and that your over-aggressiveness just solidified it?

He may or may not know what it means. What he was suggesting in the second sentence is something that he might THINK it means.

[armlx]

I thought I already said my immediate vote was for the "Kill the Suggester", and that your over-aggressiveness just solidified it?

So we are agreed your original vote is based on crap logic?

He may or may not know what it means. What he was suggesting in the second sentence is something that he might THINK it means.

I see the semantic difference between "may or may not" and "does not" in our interpretations of the post is the issue at hand here. Pwnz clarifying would be nice.

[ZombieSlayer54]

I thought I already said my immediate vote was for the "Kill the Suggester", and that your over-aggressiveness just solidified it?

So we are agreed your original vote is based on crap logic?

He may or may not know what it means. What he was suggesting in the second sentence is something that he might THINK it means.

I see the semantic difference between "may or may not" and "does not" in our interpretations of the post is the issue at hand here. Pwnz clarifying would be nice.

You say it is crap logic. I say it is wonderful insurance.

Clarification would be nice.

[hasdgfas]

ZS: Could you explain what you see as insignificant and how you can claim anything is insignificant in a mafia game?

By "insignificant" I mean the way Armlx goes after posts where the words are not completely clear, because of unfortunate positioning, or some other reason, and then acts like it is the most massive scumtell in the entire game.

Something can be insignificant when it has no real bearing on the game, but people make it out to be overly important.

how can you say something has no real bearing on the game? Isn't this a game of words? Why shouldn't we be held accountable for everything we say?

I'm also seeing a Chainsaw defense, Tar style coming from ZS, who is defending pwnz by attacking armlx with craplogic

[armlx]

You say it is crap logic. I say it is wonderful insurance.

What you are saying is you want to use a lynch on someone on whom you have no evidence that points towards them being scum. Sounds like crap logic.

[Xylthixlm]

Styro was banned for being a Gimbo alt. I'm looking for a replacement.

[ZombieSlayer54]

ZS: Could you explain what you see as insignificant and how you can claim anything is insignificant in a mafia game?

By "insignificant" I mean the way Armlx goes after posts where the words are not completely clear, because of unfortunate positioning, or some other reason, and then acts like it is the most massive scumtell in the entire game.

Something can be insignificant when it has no real bearing on the game, but people make it out to be overly important.

how can you say something has no real bearing on the game? Isn't this a game of words? Why shouldn't we be held accountable for everything we say?

I'm also seeing a Chainsaw defense, Tar style coming from ZS, who is defending pwnz by attacking armlx with craplogic

Because sometimes words mean absolutely nothing at all. It seems to me that what Pwnz said was completely and utterly innocent, just a bit ambiguous, and armlx is trying his hardest to make Pwnz look like scum from it.

And if I knew what a Chainsaw defense is, or was Tar style is, I might be able to respond to that.

You say it is crap logic. I say it is wonderful insurance.

What you are saying is you want to use a lynch on someone on whom you have no evidence that points towards them being scum. Sounds like crap logic.

I am telling you that I am using it as insurance, to make sure that you have not cleverly manipulated the town into killing off about one third of it in a single day.

What is so wrong with insurance?

[hasdgfas]

Chainsaw defense, Tarhalindur style

[ZombieSlayer54]

Well, I think I criticized armlx for his suggesting of the whole "Kill as many people as possible" plan before I started defending pwnz.

I think that nullifies at least one half of the tell check, or whatever you want to call it.

[hasdgfas]

Well, I think I criticized armlx for his suggesting of the whole "Kill as many people as possible" plan before I started defending pwnz.

I think that nullifies at least one half of the tell check, or whatever you want to call it.

I suggested that freaking plan, ZS. Why does everyone think it's armlx?

[wolframnhart]

I don't think it was armlx that proposed it, but I have read back and yes ZS does continually criticize armlx for the plan, at the very least being apart of it.

I would like part of my answer to armlx earlier post to be answered by ZS though. If we had gotten more scum kills out of the dayvig power usage so far, would you still be trying to lynch the person who brought up the plan, or would you be happy with it and trying to find a different person you thought was scum? Also, aside from the "overly-aggressiveness" and the "plan" do you think that armlx is scum for any other reason, or for just those two reasons?

[armlx]

I am telling you that I am using it as insurance, to make sure that you have not cleverly manipulated the town into killing off about one third of it in a single day.

I "cleverly manipulated the town" so that the game has 3 scum directed kills max compared to 7 town directed ones (assuming wolf is town, counting Crazy's death as town directed but his kill choice as mafia directed). Compare to the strategy of just lynching, which gives a maximum of 5 town directed kills and 5 mafia directed kills.

The strategy of just poisoning + lynching CAN max out at 7/3, but only if 1) Crazy was lynched, not poisoned and 2) wolf lived through every game day.

Sounds really "cleverly manipulative" to me.

[wolframnhart]

I'd really like to see others join in this conversation here. Pwnz what do you think? Charter, same to you. Seems we have come at a bit of a stand still atm to me.

[ZombieSlayer54]

I don't think it was armlx that proposed it, but I have read back and yes ZS does continually criticize armlx for the plan, at the very least being apart of it.

I would like part of my answer to armlx earlier post to be answered by ZS though. If we had gotten more scum kills out of the dayvig power usage so far, would you still be trying to lynch the person who brought up the plan, or would you be happy with it and trying to find a different person you thought was scum? Also, aside from the "overly-aggressiveness" and the "plan" do you think that armlx is scum for any other reason, or for just those two reasons?

I would still be trying to lynch the person armlx, even if we got more scum kills.

Just those two reasons.

And armlx: I still like the insurance, no matter what.

[armlx]

Zombie is just trying to push a lynch on no reasoning at this point.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Zombie is just trying to push a lynch on no reasoning at this point.

Besides insurance.

But, then again, you have to realize that you as well are trying to push a lynch on pwnz for a simple misunderstanding, which equates to no reasoning, really.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Where IS pwnz anyways? He REALLY needs to get in here and answer some questions.

[armlx]

But, then again, you have to realize that you as well are trying to push a lynch on pwnz for a simple misunderstanding, which equates to no reasoning, really.

Where did I try to push a lynch on pwnz?

[charter]

I'm still voting ZS, I don't agree with or support policy lynching. It's easy for scum to manipulate. ZS has already bended the facts (the reason I initially voted him) to make his case against armlx, now all he has left to vote armlx with is his policy lynching. For example, if ZS is scum and armlx isn't, he gets to try and lynch a townie with no justification. Call it my insurance plan ZS that this isn't the case.