Mature Mafia: Game Over

Werebear · Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:19 am

I tried to post when I posted on minvitational 9, and I got "This site has exceeded its maximum bandwidth", and then the site proceeded to accuse me over overaccessing.

I'm completely of the idea that mod powers were randomly given now. Especially since I think there are less non-powered people are barely enough to make a scum group.

I also think since there's no cop, that there would be two scum, no more, no less. One scum is no fun, a random lynch day 1 would end the game, and 3 scum would be nigh-unto-unbeatable with no cops. The vigilante idea is also a good one, since it would explain the second kill (I'm still trying to decide if Occam's Razor would pick that, or an error on someone's part as the most reasonable conclusion)

Even though I do believe in "switch your vote at the last minute rather than nolynch", of the two choices nonny and logiciticus, I'd choose logiciticus.

nonny · Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:26 am

I did notice after I posted it was after the deadline. I mainly play at work, so I may have been logged on and reading another game or dealing with a customer. Just because I was logged on doesn't mean I was waiting for this deadline to tick down.

Adel · Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:13 pm

Werebear wrote: I'm completely of the idea that mod powers were randomly given now. Especially since I think there are less non-powered people are barely enough to make a scum group.

I also think since there's no cop, that there would be two scum, no more, no less. One scum is no fun, a random lynch day 1 would end the game, and 3 scum would be nigh-unto-unbeatable with no cops. The vigilante idea is also a good one, since it would explain the second kill (I'm still trying to decide if Occam's Razor would pick that, or an error on someone's part as the most reasonable conclusion)

Even though I do believe in "switch your vote at the last minute rather than nolynch", of the two choices nonny and logiciticus, I'd choose logiciticus.

what new information led you to change your mind? You were all about lynching one of the non-mods yesterday.

without 2:10 would make sense. 2:12 would not. I think this game is 3:11

Still, why were you so willing to lynch one of us yesterday but not today?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:13 am

*sigh*

I think Adel is town.

Can we lynch Werebear?

Axelrod · Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:14 am

I really don't see just 2 scum out of 14 players. I mean, completely vanilla games go off with 3 scum in 12 players all the time. 3 out of 14 is the highly, highly more likely situation.

I'm also still open to the idea that Mod powers went randomly - of course, even then statistics would say that at least one scum should get one out of three.

@DGB: what just changed your mind there?

Axelrod · Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:16 am

that came out backwards - the statistics thing would say that not ALL the scum would likely end up with one in a random distribution. I am not really wanting to lynch based solely on that though.

Axelrod · Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:20 am

armlx wrote:
I've felt like Axel is town, but not having played with him before am open-minded.
Axel is a manipulative bastard in my experience. I have to reread Random 2 on MTGS again though to get a better read.

Oh go on you. This is making you drop like a stone (and it's not like you were high up on the "list of trust" to begin with)

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:38 am

Axelrod wrote:@DGB: what just changed your mind there?

Her tone. It seems consistent across several posts.

armlx · Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:47 am

I really don't see just 2 scum out of 14 players. I mean, completely vanilla games go off with 3 scum in 12 players all the time. 3 out of 14 is the highly, highly more likely situation.

10/2 is standard and apparently unwinnable for town.

Oh go on you. This is making you drop like a stone (and it's not like you were high up on the "list of trust" to begin with)

What part of it? The part where I want to analyze your game play?

Guardian · Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:33 am

ps I am not feeling great.

nonny · Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:10 am

wait did gaurdian actually replace into this game or is he just messing around?

Guardian · Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:23 am

nonny wrote:wait did gaurdian actually replace into this game or is he just messing around?

How would you ever know I'm NOT replaced into the game? I mean, it's not like you can ask the mod.

nonny · Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:26 pm

Guardian wrote:
nonny wrote:wait did gaurdian actually replace into this game or is he just messing around?
How would you ever know I'm NOT replaced into the game? I mean, it's not like you can ask the mod.

very cute

armlx · Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:33 pm

Guardian, GTFO, thx.

Talitha · Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:30 pm

I'll lynch Werebear! *bounces*

(Just popped in to post that - I'll catch up with the conversations i was having with Adel & armlx shortly)

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:43 am

Let's get out of the doldrums.

vote: Werebear

logicticus · Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:59 am

Is there any case against werebear? Did I miss someones post explaining this?

armlx · Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:53 am

logicticus wrote:Is there any case against werebear? Did I miss someones post explaining this?

Its DGB.

logicticus · Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:06 am

Tally also wanted to jump on him too

armlx · Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:07 am

logicticus wrote:Tally also wanted to jump on him too

I thought that was a joke.

logicticus · Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:29 am

oh, could have been. will need clarification tally.

Talitha · Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:21 pm

It wasn't a joke, I think he's scum. But I am exhasusted at the end of the week from hell, and I can barely type a coherent sentence.

Tomorrow.

logicticus · Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:27 am

Nonny also listed werebear as one of her top 3 when that was requested ever so long ago. You still feel that way Nonny?

BTW - Will have no access from later today until monday.

Adel · Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:09 am

vote count?

Talitha · Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:33 pm

I was just going over some recent posts to try and remind myself why I am suspicious of Werebear, when I saw a post by Axelrod that made hairs rise on the back of my neck. Post 1030, he says he is may be willing to eliminate those with those with no mod powers, if nothing better presents itself.

To start with, I find the at-least-one-of-the-vanillas-must-be-scum position a bad one. I thought more people would agree with me that decent mods assign things like that randomly just to avoid/foil this kind of setup-based reasoning.

I don't like how Axelrod uses the "if nothing better presents itself" line. I feel like he knows it's not a good option for the town. My feeling is backed up later in his post when he details how there's 8 of us left and likely 3 scum, etc. It's freaking obvious that we have, at most, one mis-lynch left. If both DGB & Adel are town (and I see that as somewhat possible), then lynching one, then the other if the first is town, is a definite loss. If could also easily be game over after lynching one of them. It's lazy, lazy, lazy. (Edit: Which I really don't expect from a good pro-town player at this stage of a game with NO scum down).

Now that I'm talking myself around to the idea that Axel is scum, I am going to go back and see who jumped when I talked about Glork's suspicion on logicticus. (Edit: "jumped" because I neglected to mention Axelrod... I think it was Adel and someone else).