Mini 634 - The Baron's court: Game over

[sekinj]

Ok I'd just like to clarify this,

sekinj- you claim barons chancellor, a role with no power/night action, but instead has a list of clues that you don't know if their true


ohgodmylife- you claim to not have a power/night action, and refuse to give any other information

I'm not digging for any new information I'd just like to make sure we're all on the exact same page

I

did

trust my clues, until OGML popped up with his side of the story (which I can't reconcile by simply saying he's lying and is scum, because I don't know why scum would be that desperate to lynch me)... I still don't know what to think about it since OGML hasn't come back to comment anymore.

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch before deadline)
(2) OhGodMyLife – MafiaMann, Mariyta
(1) sekinj – OhGodMyLife

Not voting:

Gremwell, Rage, raverblood, sekinj, Singing Librarian, ThAdmiral, thinktank

Deadline:

Saturday 9 August 1:00 AM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Mariyta]

OGML seems to have dropped out of the discussion. You should really contribute. Currently, your lack of participation strikes me as very scummy. "I refuse to give you any more info; now I'm going to go sit on my rock."

Sekinj, I think you're overreacting quite a bit. If you are indeed the chancellor, you should know how important your information will be in the long run, despite what happens right now. Play it smart and stay alive as long as possible.

What bothers me the most is players who push and push for my special information, yet don't provide any of their own basic information.

You can't expect everyone to just start revealing everything because you say so. You're not the only important role out there and I'm sure most of those roles want to stay just as alive as you are. You can bet your booty that the first time someone with a name beginning with B comes forward, they'll be dead that night. It's the safe move for scum.

[sekinj]

a) According to most players, the information I have given benefits scum more than town

Does most players = Rage and Raverblood?

No, I didn’t count the players, I just saw several people say that including you, raver and thinktank. I agree that the scum could use the information, but I’m hoping to play a smart enough game so that the town is the one with the advantage.

b) Most players think giving personal information is scummy

Where has this been said by anyone?

Are you kidding? That is the whole premise of OGML’s posts after claiming he doesn’t have night powers. Telling people not to share because according to him I am scum.

c) Fishing for information to back up the clues I have is scummy

I've been trying to do that to both you and OhGodMyLife but have never been called scummy for trying.

My fishing for information is what started the whole wagon against me. Apparently at least 4 players think it is very scummy.

[d]) My information is not believed anyway

Refer to a) and b).

OGML, Sing (post 83, 163), Rage (post 141), raver (post 157) all say that my information is not believable or that I am lying. I completely understand that players can’t believe me off hand, and that I will be doubted, but my point is that I’m not going to give out more information in hopes of being more believable.

@OhGodMyLife, I think it is now quite obvious that you have not provided enough information to back up your claim against Sekinj.

Agreed.

[sekinj]

OGML seems to have dropped out of the discussion. You should really contribute. Currently, your lack of participation strikes me as very scummy. "I refuse to give you any more info; now I'm going to go sit on my rock."

Sekinj, I think you're overreacting quite a bit. If you are indeed the chancellor, you should know how important your information will be in the long run, despite what happens right now. Play it smart and stay alive as long as possible.

What bothers me the most is players who push and push for my special information, yet don't provide any of their own basic information.

You can't expect everyone to just start revealing everything because you say so. You're not the only important role out there and I'm sure most of those roles want to stay just as alive as you are. You can bet your booty that the first time someone with a name beginning with B comes forward, they'll be dead that night. It's the safe move for scum.

I completely understand the hesitation. Yet although you and Rage both want me to share my full name, neither of you have provided ANY information (except that rage shared gendar info). I just don't understand pushing people to do things that you are not willing to do.

[sekinj]

Frankly, it will help me tell who is lying.

My character is female and I am a male in real life, am I lying?

I didn't mean to skip this question. The answer is not a simple yes and no unfortunately. However, I do know how many female characters there are in total.

[raverblood]

[d]) My information is not believed anyway

Refer to a) and b).

OGML, Sing (post 83, 163), Rage (post 141), raver (post 157) all say that my information is not believable or that I am lying. I completely understand that players can’t believe me off hand, and that I will be doubted, but my point is that I’m not going to give out more information in hopes of being more believable.

say what i didnt say that your post was not believable or that you where lying. in post 157???

[sekinj]

[d]) My information is not believed anyway

Refer to a) and b).

OGML, Sing (post 83, 163), Rage (post 141), raver (post 157) all say that my information is not believable or that I am lying. I completely understand that players can’t believe me off hand, and that I will be doubted, but my point is that I’m not going to give out more information in hopes of being more believable.

say what i didnt say that your post was not believable or that you where lying. in post 157???

you are right, I think it was post 132 that I was looking at. In that post you say a lot about how I don't seem townie because I claimed early.

everyone: please feel free to look at the posts I'm referencing and let me know if I am mis-understanding your meaning.

[sekinj]

heres is just thought that i have come up with.

My info said, Power: --- and then later in my list of knowledge: 10 players, in total, beside you have night choices.

trouble is coming from the Baron's staff. Seeing as how you apparently have no night action but are what I assume the closest role to the Baron

rage you gave me an idea... if sekinj is true on what he says then could power be the closest to baron.

FoS: sekinj

because he does seem to be the closest.

Raver: In looking back at your posts I noticed this one. I have to point out that this makes no sense at all. You are FoSing me based on my information possibly being true?

[Singing Librarian]

[d]) My information is not believed anyway

Refer to a) and b).

OGML, Sing (post 83, 163), Rage (post 141), raver (post 157) all say that my information is not believable or that I am lying. I completely understand that players can’t believe me off hand, and that I will be doubted, but my point is that I’m not going to give out more information in hopes of being more believable.

Um, I concluded post 163 by saying that I think it's most likely that you are telling the truth. I thought it best to outline both scenarios before stating my conclusion. I wasn't sure at first whether to believe the information simply because it seemed so unlikely, but having thought about it, I realised it would be suicide for you to have claimed what you did if it wasn't true - far too easy to disprove.

[sekinj]

@sing: Okay. I'm glad you pointed that out.


@everyone: I do plan on giving more information when the time calls for it, but my point was that I'm not going to give out more information simply to convince people I am town. That doesn't seem like it would work anyway.

[thinktank]

@sing: Okay. I'm glad you pointed that out.


@everyone: I do plan on giving more information when the time calls for it, but my point was that I'm not going to give out more information simply to convince people I am town. That doesn't seem like it would work anyway.

Giving more out now would be a bad idea because from what we've seen all the information you have would be well utilized later in the game. the more you reveal now the more safe claims you will be giving scum.

[sekinj]

@sing: Okay. I'm glad you pointed that out.


@everyone: I do plan on giving more information when the time calls for it, but my point was that I'm not going to give out more information simply to convince people I am town. That doesn't seem like it would work anyway.

Giving more out now would be a bad idea because from what we've seen all the information you have would be well utilized later in the game. the more you reveal now the more safe claims you will be giving scum.

Yes. I agree.

[OhGodMyLife]

Had an unexpected absence from MS for a couple of days, catching up tonight.

[Mariyta]

OGML seems to have dropped out of the discussion. You should really contribute. Currently, your lack of participation strikes me as very scummy. "I refuse to give you any more info; now I'm going to go sit on my rock."

Sekinj, I think you're overreacting quite a bit. If you are indeed the chancellor, you should know how important your information will be in the long run, despite what happens right now. Play it smart and stay alive as long as possible.

What bothers me the most is players who push and push for my special information, yet don't provide any of their own basic information.

You can't expect everyone to just start revealing everything because you say so. You're not the only important role out there and I'm sure most of those roles want to stay just as alive as you are. You can bet your booty that the first time someone with a name beginning with B comes forward, they'll be dead that night. It's the safe move for scum.

I completely understand the hesitation. Yet although you and Rage both want me to share my full name, neither of you have provided ANY information (except that rage shared gendar info). I just don't understand pushing people to do things that you are not willing to do.

A)I told you I had a nickname. If it makes you feel better, I'm a girl, but my character is male.
B)The reason people are pushing is because you are highly suspicious, and you can't be upset that a role like yours would be met with hesitation. It's a dangerous role if it's actually a scum role.

[Mariyta]

[d]) My information is not believed anyway

Refer to a) and b).

OGML, Sing (post 83, 163), Rage (post 141), raver (post 157) all say that my information is not believable or that I am lying. I completely understand that players can’t believe me off hand, and that I will be doubted, but my point is that I’m not going to give out more information in hopes of being more believable.

say what i didnt say that your post was not believable or that you where lying. in post 157???

Dude, grammar FTW.

[sekinj]

OGML seems to have dropped out of the discussion. You should really contribute. Currently, your lack of participation strikes me as very scummy. "I refuse to give you any more info; now I'm going to go sit on my rock."

Sekinj, I think you're overreacting quite a bit. If you are indeed the chancellor, you should know how important your information will be in the long run, despite what happens right now. Play it smart and stay alive as long as possible.

What bothers me the most is players who push and push for my special information, yet don't provide any of their own basic information.

You can't expect everyone to just start revealing everything because you say so. You're not the only important role out there and I'm sure most of those roles want to stay just as alive as you are. You can bet your booty that the first time someone with a name beginning with B comes forward, they'll be dead that night. It's the safe move for scum.

I completely understand the hesitation. Yet although you and Rage both want me to share my full name, neither of you have provided ANY information (except that rage shared gendar info). I just don't understand pushing people to do things that you are not willing to do.

A)I told you I had a nickname. If it makes you feel better, I'm a girl, but my character is male.
B)The reason people are pushing is because you are highly suspicious, and you can't be upset that a role like yours would be met with hesitation. It's a dangerous role if it's actually a scum role.

Understood. But I'm going to push back as well because I can't help the town unless I am believed.

[Rage]

[quote="Sekinj"]But I'm going to push back as well because I can't help the town unless I am believed.[/quote[See, I don't like posts like this.

[Mariyta]

You should, but don't push too hard. Better to have you alive than believed 100% at this point.

Now, in the interest of keeping the game going and not getting stalled on this debate, I did a re-read of everyone, minus Sekinj and OGML, because you already know my opinions on those two.

Gremwell

: Lots of theory discussion, posts for "clarity", not really adding to discussion much.

MafiaMann

: Posits the theory that there are roles that can't post; seems like a highly ridiculous idea to me. Claims that anyone who didn't unvote Sekinj is suspicious, but Sekinj's role is incredible, so this is a poor stance to take. Enchants Sekinj for some reason, refused to elaborate.

Rage

: Capitalized the word Knowledge; what was your reason for this?

Raver

: His posts make me stare at the screen in bewilderment.

The rest I feel are definitely pro-town at this point, or I don't have a read on them at all.

[raverblood]

heres is just thought that i have come up with.

My info said, Power: --- and then later in my list of knowledge: 10 players, in total, beside you have night choices.

trouble is coming from the Baron's staff. Seeing as how you apparently have no night action but are what I assume the closest role to the Baron

rage you gave me an idea... if sekinj is true on what he says then could power be the closest to baron.

FoS: sekinj

because he does seem to be the closest.

Raver: In looking back at your posts I noticed this one. I have to point out that this makes no sense at all. You are FoSing me based on my information possibly being true?

yes and no.. i was fosiing you per that you do same the closest to the baron. however i am not voting you per it was you who has the clue on the power that i was speculating is the closest to the baron. plus i did forget to

unFoS

if i can do that?? lol

[sekinj]

heres is just thought that i have come up with.

My info said, Power: --- and then later in my list of knowledge: 10 players, in total, beside you have night choices.

trouble is coming from the Baron's staff. Seeing as how you apparently have no night action but are what I assume the closest role to the Baron

rage you gave me an idea... if sekinj is true on what he says then could power be the closest to baron.

FoS: sekinj

because he does seem to be the closest.

Raver: In looking back at your posts I noticed this one. I have to point out that this makes no sense at all. You are FoSing me based on my information possibly being true?

yes and no.. i was fosiing you per that you do same the closest to the baron. however i am not voting you per it was you who has the clue on the power that i was speculating is the closest to the baron. plus i did forget to

unFoS

if i can do that?? lol

Is english your first language?

[Rage]

Rage

: Capitalized the word Knowledge; what was your reason for this?

Related to role messages. I hope this is where Sekinj is getting his information from.

[sekinj]

Rage

: Capitalized the word Knowledge; what was your reason for this?

Related to role messages. I hope this is where Sekinj is getting his information from.

yeah, I figured that's what you were refering too because that's how mine was formatted as well.

[MafiaMann]

I still think that sekinjs claim had more detail thus harder to fake.

All OMGL said was i have no night power and than thats it. Im not really able to bring myself to accept OMGLs claim cause its so vague. Sekinj gave us a whole role.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm still here. I'm just waiting to see what ogml has to say.

[sekinj]

aren't we all...