There. Reposted sans-misspellings. I even fixed other players misspellings.Un-Typo'd wrote:Things that happened:
Alvinz puts a "Scum List" as post 65, which is regarded as "Too early" by most, which suggests that he may have been setting it up either to get other players to do the same or to give clues to his partners as to who he thinks was actually scum or not.
MM(town) and Gaspode(Xtoxm)(???) both wind up voting him, Gaspode because of MM's assertions that ALvinz was being a switch between totally defensive or totally agreeing. Iamausername(Town) was also voting him due to getting a bad feeling about him.
Coheed(Cop) also FOSSES him at this point.
Alvinz responds by saying nobody has 'evidence' (Scum tell) and tries to deflect attention onto Evilgorillaz(Porochaz), while maintaining that Elias is scum because he's experienced and lurking.
PopularTajo saves the day for Alvinz with this bit of Wifom (And it *IS* Wifom)And at the end has his own rundown:You know what's funny? That I think alvinz95 now feels more pro-town than scum. Why? Mmm, why would he (a relative newbie) would suspect Elias (an experienced player) and for a weak reason? Wouldn't newbie scum avoid this kind of players? Also, I liked his theory where he involved some players and myself. I'm involved but it seems a valid scum-hunting. So, I don't know where this alvinz wagon come from. (And I know that at the beginning I said something like "There's something that feels wrong in his posts", but with all that has been posted after, I sincerely think he feels more aggressive townie that silly scum")He is voting alongside Alvinz, doesn't understand why people are voting him, but thinks the people voting him (Iamauser, Gaspode) are doing good. Liking players does not mesh with not liking who they are voting for or thinking their votes are suspicious.I still like my Evilgorrilaz vote, (where is he?)
I dont understand yet the Alvin wagon
I like iamasuername, Marmalade, maybe Gaspode.
I dont like Evilgorrilaz, Mellowed Man.
I think we should prod lurkers.
Neutral about other players.
And we're pretty fcked up becuase Elias is scum. (Thats a joke, guys.)
Cream147 then votes Alvinz, putting him tied with Evilgorillaz, HE refutes PopTaj's ridiculous WIFOM defense, and adds a few points of his own.
Alvinz responds defensively and FOSSes Cream.
Coheed says Alvinz responded well, if overly defensive.
Elias agrees, etc, and then Alvinz uses PopTaj's joke about Elias being scum, combines it with his "I'll hunt you down and kill you" as a longer joke - which might be a beneath the scenes pointing to Elias as a possible SK.
He then says EG is scum for saying "We" when referring to the town and votes him. Then unvotes. This kind of diversionary tactic I like to call "SILLYFACE!" act silly, roll over and show your belly, and people will think you are harmless. Being thought of as harmless would benefit Alvinz at that point.
Populartajo stops defending Alvinz (since he is doing okay again) and tries to convince Gaspode to unvote him and vote EG again: (Post 145)Both Alvinz and Pop lay low until Alvinz gets uber-righteous towards Cream and votes him, for rather interestingly correctl7y analyzing Alvinz's play style. (Makes Cream more likely town in my eyes).As you can see, I still don't like this guy.
Now, Gaspode, do you still like your vote for Alvin? What do you think of evilgorrilaz?
Marmalade(Alabaska) analyzes Alvinz, adding small points of discontent. Then he gets angry at cream as well after voting Coheed. Interesting how the bulk of the post is quasi distancing with Alvinz but the meat of it is directed towards at least one town, and also to the player Alvinz just started launching a campaign against. He also unfosses Alvinz.
EG follows Alvinz to vote Cream.
Pop ignores Alvinz and Cream in post 190 to continue to push against EG.
ME and MAtt_S replace in, and starts with a PBPA. To note:- Based on his analysis, he seems to think that Alvinz is scummy. However, look at his reviews of other players:alvinz95
I really dislike his stance on Elias_the_thief. He seems to be trying to get an easy wagon on somebody experienced. Besides that, he has been unimpressive. Pretty scummy.On known Town:Cream147
Makes strong attacks on alvinz95 which sound logical.Could be distancing though. I'm thinking protown.
ashmite84, a.k.a. Skruffs
I seem to be seeing an early fixation on Mellowed Man. I find it slightly odd when people end up being suspicious of those they random vote. Didn't really seem to post much. Mildly scummy, would like to hear replacement.
populartajo
He switches his stance on alvinz95 pretty quickly. Uses a WIFOM defense of alvinz95("newbie scum wouldn't do that", lol). He also links Evilgorillaz, Mellowed Man, and Cream147 pretty simply. Two of the people didn't bandwagon the wagonhappy guy, big whoop. He seems to be shooting in the dark almost. I smell scum.
Gaspode
Opens with a bunch of FOS's. His vote on alvinz95 seems a bit wagony. He FOS's Cream147 when Cream147 and alvinz95 were in the middle of their argument. I'm probably being paranoid, but this smells a bit like scum distancing between the three. It's too early for that though. A bit protown.The reason I pointed this post out was because several of the players (moved to the top, just under Alvinz), are linked to Alvinz under the pretense that A;vinz will show up as scum. There are no players regarded as how they would be if Alvinz would show up as town, it is only if he is scum. This is a pretty big tell in my opinion, and I will probably be going after Matt_S tomorrow after Popular is lynched today, if I am not dead. If I Get lynched today, hopefully the SK will kill one of these two to give the town a chance at winning.CoheedCambria09
Well, he's new. I don't have much experience with newb scum tells, but he seems to have played fairly decently for someone new. Withholding judgment for now.
Elias_the_thief
Doesn't do much. He says he's always like this day 1, though. I want to see some content on Day 2. Withholding judgment.
Mellowed Man
He has made nonrandom votes on CoheedCambria09 and alvinz95. He backs them up with little logic. Pretty scummy.
iamausername
Bandwagons evilgorillaz... for band-wagoning. Oh, irony. Later votes Mellowed Man because he is more wagonhoppy. Other than that, I agree with most of the things he says. Neutral.
Alright I got a little bored of reading so kinda skimmed for a while.At the beginning of page 15, MM has been slowly getting a wagon onto him. (Shortly after this happened Alvinz started interacting again). Gaspode and Cream were voting Alvinz, Alvinz, PopularTajo, and me were voting Cream, and MM had Elias, Iamausername, and Matt_S on him.
I was defending MM, and Matt_Sspeculatedthat me and MM were masons together. In post 360, I asked him what he thought was pro-town abou outing potential masons. He was also trying to get MM to have more votes on him, and was saying that unless he could be PROVEN innocent that he should be lynched. This makes Matt_S look worse.
Back to PopularTajo:
Pop repeatedly defends Alvinz, and deflects attention away from him (Usually onto the next biggest wagon), but he never actually interacts with Alvinz himself. He does not question alvinz, he does not analyze him more than he needs to to try and convince players that Alvinz is town, etc. For someone who thinks Alvinz was def.town, there was no public 'breadcrumbing' to indicate that Pop had a reason to do so. A mason doesn't have to have that breadcrumb trail, neither does a cop with an innocent investigation, because those players have in game information. But PopularTajo never explained why he thought Alvinz was town, never went through the procedure of analyzing him to get that opinion.
This is post 383, the post immediately after Alvinz asked for him to be prodded:This is slight, but notice how he puts attention onto Marmalade for not posting since MAy 2nd, but Populartajo hadn't posted sine April 29th. PopularTajo says that I am suspicious for not helping to lynch Alvinz (Even though I gave the wagon that lynched him the fuel it needed AND he was actively trying to disband it), but isn't it interesting that PopularTajo disappeared right around the time Alvinz's first wagon phased out and reappeared right when Alvinz needed him again?alvinz95 wrote:Prod MarmaladeHasn't posted since MAY 2ND.
AlsoProd Populartajo
Here's another example from my rant in the last paragraph:populartajo wrote:No need for a prod.
Im very tired atm, can anyone tell me what has happened in the last 2-3 pages?
Im still thinking in lynching either Cream or Mellowed. This might change with the reread Im doing tomorrow but I doubt it.
Also noticing Gaspode and Matt doing some serious attacks against Alvinz, where did this suspicions start?Everyone who is suspicious of Alvinz is scum, but Alvinz is town. HOWEVER! look at what he said about Mellowed: "Suggesting Iamausername and alvinz are like a pair" - that is scummy to him? Why would it be? The only way it could be scummy is if one of Iamausername and Alvinz is scum, but he says he finds BOTH of them to be town.(which sets alvinz up to be read as town if iamausername gets killed). And he completely ignores MAtt_S's "Mason fishing" debacle, instead just saying that Matt reads as "Neutral". Why is it scummy if MM does it? Maybe because MM did it to one of his scum partners, where as MM did it with two townies? There is so much contradiction here that it can't be possible that he's NOT scum.populartajo wrote:Not much. I still think that there's scummy behavior in both Mellowed Man and Cream posts.Skruffs wrote:Popular, the last time you put any effort into scum hunting in the game was in APRIL. Has ANYTHING triggured any sort of changes in your opinions since then?
Mellowed scummy actions : Suggesting Iamuseraname and alvinz are like a pair, players that I don't find scummy at all - Forgetting about what he said - Voting for a newbie - Confirming his vote agains Matt with no explanation at all.
Mellowed, can you comment about this?
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Cream scummy actions : Sudden change of thought about alvinz. - Extremely aggressive against him but I haven't seen this behavior against other player. - He thinks Mellowed Man is scummy but hasnt jumped against him like he would have.
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Anyways. Im also interested in Gaspode attacks against Alvinz. I mean all D1, this guy must hate him or must see something we aren't.
Evilgorrilaz should explain more his voting, BTW.
Marmalade hasnt posted in a while so Id like the Mod to prod them.
Liking so far Iamausername and Skruffs. Alvinz seems sincere to me. Neutral about Matt and Coheed.
Also, I think we shouldn't let people lurk, cough, Elias, cough. He doesn't need a prod, hes prob watching right now.
Finally, after not posting for a month and then only trolling for opinions to soak up, he says that ELIAS needs a prod.
A lot of players began to get disinterested (including the mod) so I said that coheed or pop should be lynched for basically being dead weight.
Oh look. Sticking up for one player and attacking the other.alvinz95 wrote:Is that all? Are you saying that not doing anything is a scumtell? Thats not much support for a vote.skruffs wrote:Either Coheed or popular is the vote for the day, neither of these playeres are really going out there and stating their observations. Let's just do this.
Coheed - you voted cream just because he stopped his aggresiveness? Or is it really just to get to Night 1?Contradiction.
Pop's response was to try to look like he was buddying up to Coheed, and saying that I was too lazy to form cases against other player. I said that he was trolling for opinions without offering any of his own, which was scummy ( It is scummy ). Pretending to stimulate conversation between other players is a scumtell if you are not contributing yourself, day one.
PopularTajo got some votes and Matt_S mirrored PopularTajo's comments on Alvinz's wagon, even suggesting a nolynch instead. Scummy connection there.
Anyways, that's enough for now, got to page 22 and I see where after CC first claimed that he wanted to get to day 2 that Alvinz started really pestering him to get him to claim.
Sorry for the huge post, but if you want ANY scum hunting on PopularTajo as reason for a vote and are too lazy to look yourselves to confirm it, you can read it and see the many small little things that are more telling than the large, usually faked or intentional things that Pop is trying to use.
More votes on PopularTajo. He can't really defend himself because he's been caught. He pushed too hard for the Elias wagon yesterday (Even though he ignored him day one, even joking that Elias was scum to help Alvinz's case on him look less suspicious) and wound up outing himself.
7 alive, -1 mafia, -1 lover, -2 NKs (possibly the SK, other mafia, or lover will be hit tonight as there are no more claimed power roles) will result in somewhere between 3-5 alive tomorrow. Killing mafia instead of SK increases the chance of cross kills (compared to 0) though, which makes it more likely that town will win.
