Open 87 - Baby Too Much Scum - Over before 641

[armlx]

I am saying that experienced players will never be completely idiotic.

DEFINITELY not true.

[Goatrevolt]

Crazy, the entire point is that I don't think Oman expected to get challenged on his vote. He tossed out a vote with fancy reasoning and expected it to fly. Now he's in a hole.

Please, if you're worried about lurkers, tell the mod to prod him. Never switch your well-placed vote just to bring out a lurker.

I wouldn't be switching my well placed vote to bring out a lurker. I'd be switching my vote to lynch lurking scum. There's a difference between lurker hunting (trying to draw a lurker out to post more) and voting for a lurker because you think they're scum.

[Netran]

My questions to Rage: they were to provide some discussion and to clarify my curiosity this incredibly weak (I'm the first to recognize how weak it is) incosistency I noticed, nothing more than this.

I agree that the reactions of Oman and Goatrevolt to each other are interesting but it is early in the game and I don't think we could have very much from them.
Lurkerhunting gives us even less: it is not scumtell and at this point I think it is quite useful because it helps discussion giving something to say to people after they get their prod.

You say we can't get anything from Oman & GR's argument? Why? You can get something out of every argument? Why do you want to steer the attention away from them.

At that point I believed that this would be over soon because I didn't think it was based on valid reason; I was wrong and I didn't think it could led to doubt so much about Oman.
For this reason I don't think GoatRevolt is overreacting, I thought since the beginning that Oman's point was weak.


I find suspicious this attack just after the third vote on you.

[Crazy]

I find suspicious this attack just after the third vote on you.

That's bull. Just because I'm suspected by some people doesn't mean I don't have to look for scum.

[farside22]

This vote count brought to you by a very busy mod:

votes:
Oman 2 vote: (Goatrevolt, Armlx)
Goatrevolt 1 vote: (Oman)
Netran 2 vote: (alvinz95, Crazy)
Crazy 3 votes: (OGML, Netran, Rage)

Not voting




8 people 5 to lynch
Deadline August 17th 2:00pm PST

Alvinz95 has picked up his prod, but not responded. I will give him till Tuesday to post. If he doesn't post by tomorrow 4:00pm I will replace him.

[Rage]

As for who the scum is, I gotta reread...

Crazy, who is scum?

[Crazy]

As for who the scum is, I gotta reread...

Crazy, who is scum?

Netran would be my top guess.

[Oman]

Crazy: is netran mafia or SK?

[armlx]

Netran would be my top guess.

Could you summarize quickly why? I'm not really seeing it from your banter.

[alvinz95]

V/LA Today to August 13th. Replacement is ok.

Thank you.

skitzer replaces Alvinz95 effective now.

[Netran]

I find suspicious this attack just after the third vote on you.

That's bull. Just because I'm suspected by some people doesn't mean I don't have to look for scum.

One of the things I find suspicious in your attack is that you quoted posts you could use earlier: not pointing out anything from more recent posts just before that attack make me think you made up this attack for the reason I said.

I forgot to talk about this

And please don't quote from those 3 posts I made that one night. They were absolutely stupid. If you take out those 3 posts, then everything else I've said will make sense.

You are telling again that that posts were made without reasoning too much but I hope you agree that anyone can use this as an excuse to justify any errors. Even if you are telling the truth about them we can't ignore what you have written, in particular because, as I have already said, those can be revealing of what you were really thinking.

[Crazy]

One of the things I find suspicious in your attack is that you quoted posts you could use earlier: not pointing out anything from more recent posts just before that attack make me think you made up this attack for the reason I said.

To be honest, before that point, I hadn't looked at much of anyone except GR and Oman.

You are telling again that that posts were made without reasoning too much but I hope you agree that anyone can use this as an excuse to justify any errors. Even if you are telling the truth about them we can't ignore what you have written, in particular because, as I have already said, those can be revealing of what you were really thinking.

Those posts were not what I was really thinking. Those posts were me mindlessly bandwagoning and then realizing I had very little reason for doing so. In other words, I was not thinking when I made those posts.

But I understand what you mean, and I won't do anything like that again. I promised myself not to post after midnight again.

[skitzer]

I am alvinz95's replacement. Rereading sometime today.

[Crazy]

Oh no, not Skitzer. He scares me.

[armlx]

Crazy, I think you missed this.

Could you summarize quickly why

[Netran is scummy]

? I'm not really seeing it from your banter.

[Crazy]

Mainly due to this:

I agree that the reactions of Oman and Goatrevolt to each other are interesting but it is early in the game and I don't think we could have very much from them.

and this:

Goatrevolt is aggressive but I don't see him overreacting too much.

Just feeling a little weird about this defense of GR.

[armlx]

Why would his defense of GR be weird except if GR was scum with him? And if that is true, why would you be voting him before GR as we all know if A then B does not mean if B then A.

[Crazy]

Maybe Oman's his scum partner and he wants attention off of the Oman vs. Goatrevolt?

And I don't care for his picking on Rage's not-random-voting-in-his-first-post thing.

[Crazy]

On second thought, that's a good point, armlx.

[Goatrevolt]

The only thing from Netran that caught my attention was him basically avoiding the ongoing Me/Oman discussion and instead was pushing Rage for not random voting in his first post.

[Crazy]

The only thing from Netran that caught my attention was him basically avoiding the ongoing Me/Oman discussion and instead was pushing Rage for not random voting in his first post.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got. But still, I don't know why he would want to avoid it... unless if either you or Oman was his scum partner. You seem more likely, since he did later defend you.

But then, by armlx's logic, it would probably be better to lynch one of you two before Netran.

[Goatrevolt]

I would say it's more likely that he would be Oman's partner actually. He hasn't commented a single time on Oman this entire game if I recall. Scum oftentimes ignore their partners. Edit: it looks like his only comment on Oman was that Oman's original point for voting me was weak, but didn't pursue it further.

Also, his defense of me came after the wagon on me had dissolved. It's hardly a defense if it comes after the fact.

Anyway, this speculation seems weak to me anyway. Netran's connections to either me or Oman don't mean anything unless me or Oman is dead. And Netran's reaction to us doesn't have any bearing on whether or not we are scum. It would be dumb to lynch either me or Oman under the premise that

if

we are scum then he'd make a good scum buddy.

Finally, I kind of disagree that he would have to be one of our scum buddies at all. He could simply be scum looking to avoid taking a stance either way. He can sit back and wait and see where opinion goes and then jump on whichever seems the better option.

Anyway, all this talk makes me want to go back and look through Netran again.

[armlx]

Netran's connections to either me or Oman don't mean anything unless me or Oman is dead.

Scum oftentimes ignore their partners.

QFT both of these.

I kind of disagree that he would have to be one of our scum buddies at all

True, but his interactions with both of you makes it much more likely that if one of you is scum, then he is as well. Not that this means anything today, but it is worth noting tomorrow.

Still like my Oman vote.

[Goatrevolt]

I read through the thread.

Oman is still my top target. Here is the flow of events:

1. He jumped on my bandwagon with crap logic.

2. I called him out on his crap logic.

3. He has completely ignored anything and everything related towards his original reasons for voting for me and whether or not he had a valid reason for voting me.

4. Instead, he has kept his vote on me, and when questioned he cites my reaction as his reason for the vote. This is a complete cover up. When questioned on his vote, he cites reasons that

hadn't even happened yet when he initially voted for me

as why his vote is on me, but continues to conveniently ignore anyone's requests for his original voting reasons and whether or not they are valid.

I'm pretty sure Oman got caught. He tried to further my bandwagon with crappy reasons, and rather than admit he was wrong, he has tried to weasel his way out of it by citing events that hadn't even happened yet as his voting reasons.

It's like this:

Oman: Vote Goat
Goat: WTF, why are you voting me?
Oman: Hah, over reaction, that's why I'm voting you.

As for Netran, I'm not sure. I think I'm actually more suspicious of Rage than Netran at this point. Don't be offended by this question, but is English your native language Netran?

[Crazy]

I don't believe Oman has given a defense yet of the case on him. I'd like to hear it.