Open 777: Switch (Town Wins)

[Galron]

If I'm SK I pick mafia immunity every time. 3 brains vs 1. Regardless, even if we do have the SK pinned, I would rather go after scum and let vig take out SK.

[Galron]

Which brings us back to Paragon. I guess I could do that today. Tanner looked towny, but looking again, meh.

[Galron]

I mean, maybe. Dunnstral and I did go over that it was more likely that the SK chose mafia immunity to town immunity, let's check what brass claimed to have read at that point.

And it was on page 25. After this post:

I was hoping to get the SK. Didn't

[Paragon]

Raya, why do you think it's me again? Is it for anything I've done or previous slot holder stuff? Scrutinise me under a fresh eye please.

Why aren't you engaging me, Raya?

[Raya36]

I'm coming back to that later when I'm not as tired

[Paragon]

Looker or brass. Those two flip anti-town here.

[Paragon]

I'm coming back to that later when I'm not as tired

Alright, no worries.

[Paragon]

I am in this spot, aren't I?

You're very clever, but you're not helpful.

I was hoping to get the SK. Didn't

Havingfitz already claimed SK. Can you contribute?

Did you get a chance to catch up yet Brass?

Not planning to tbh.

So you're basically an empty slot?

• Is setup spec AI?

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Probably Looker.

I mean, I haven't replaced out.

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• @Black Ranger: I'm confused, because this is the second time Dunnstral's fixated on finding PRs, and he's not voting Paragon despite thinking he's scum and nothing productive being brought to this thread. I don't understand it.

This is questioning/saying stuff for the sake of saying stuff. I don't think this is town.

Additionally, his take on defending me and questioning why Raya was going for me over him is very surface level - the logic being "but Paragon hammered scum", as if Knightmare wasn't going to be the lynch no matter what happened there. He's trying to remain too "objective" and "open-minded".

[TheWizard]

Paragon (2):

Raya36, brassherald

brassherald (1):

Paragon

Dunnstral (1):

Looker

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Black Ranger, Galron

With 7 Alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-05-19 14:42:00)

[Looker]

What does this mean?

I don't think you're actually reading.

This is questioning/saying stuff for the sake of saying stuff. I don't think this is town.

Additionally, his take on defending me and questioning why Raya was going for me over him is very surface level - the logic being "but Paragon hammered scum", as if Knightmare wasn't going to be the lynch no matter what happened there. He's trying to remain too "objective" and "open-minded".

You find no value in my questions because you don't care - that doesn't mean I'm "questioning stuff for the sake of saying stuff". Also, your ego is inflated - my questioning had nothing to do with you: I was trying to see how Raya and Dunnstral differentiated their positioning on a Knightmare wagon from your own. And the only "open-minded" thing about me is me expecting any of these replacements to be worth a damn.

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• @Galron: I was bluffing. Whose alt are you
  
• @Black Ranger: Why did you leave out Dunnstral's post to Elmo concerning NKs?

[Dunnstral]

If I'm SK I pick mafia immunity every time. 3 brains vs 1.

It's vigilante and cop - it would have been picked before cop died n1, just saying.

[Dunnstral]

this is the second time Dunnstral's fixated on finding PRs

Not sure what you're talking about, I don't think anything I just said can be taken that way?

Looker can you explain this?

[Dunnstral]

@Black Ranger: Why did you leave out Dunnstral's post to Elmo concerning NKs?

Not understanding why you linked to that post here

[TheWizard]

brassherald has been prodded for inactivity.

[brassherald]

We have 2 days, can people start voting?

[Raya36]

Raya, why do you think it's me again? Is it for anything I've done or previous slot holder stuff? Scrutinise me under a fresh eye please.

I'm still tired lol but this needs attention

-I found your opening odd. I don't know if scum would be so obvious but it seemed like a weird way to claim without making it look like it's you who wants to claim.
-Based on associations with knight:

-Maybe "accidentally" hammered his buddy just so he could say "oops, oh well, it'll be scum anyway". That didn't sound genuine at all. I wouldn't be at all surprised. It would be good for distancing and at this point a Knightmare lynch was only being delayed.

-You townread me for my analysis which put you as scum. That isn't something uncommon for scum to do to make it seem like they don't want to get rid of the person scumreading them
-Same as above goes for the opposite. Looker defended you and you said you didn't like it.

So I actually had the previous slot holder as a town lean most of the game. But you've been acting quite scummy.

[Raya36]

What math are you doing to get to brassherald as SK?

Isn't SK immune to night kills?

From #0:

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are the Serial Killer.

Pregame you must choose to be either immune to the Mafia Nightkill OR be immune to Vig/Cop.
Each night phase, you may select a player in the game to nightkill.
Each night phase, you may reverse the state of any switch. This will trigger the opposite outcome of how the mafia have left a switch.

You win when you are the last player alive or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm your role and choose your immunity within 48 hours.

BH was told when he repped in that he was immune from night kills. 621 was a SK slip.

I feel like as SK you'd be more careful, right?

[Paragon]

-You townread me for my analysis which put you as scum. That isn't something uncommon for scum to do to make it seem like they don't want to get rid of the person scumreading them
-Same as above goes for the opposite. Looker defended you and you said you didn't like it.

So I actually had the previous slot holder as a town lean most of the game. But you've been acting quite scummy.

I don't get this. I think there's more reason for scum to appeal to defenders, and attack attackers. At worst, it should be NAI to you and not scummy. Unless you think my specific reasons for townreading/scumreading you/Looker are off. Are they?

[Looker]

We have 2 days, can people start voting?

That would generate too much discussion.

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• @Dunnstral: I don't know what there is to explain - you tried to find the vig with Elmo and now you're trying to find the SK.
  • And sometimes I make mistakes. 639 is quoted in 646.

[Dunnstral]

SK isn't a power role...

[Raya36]

-You townread me for my analysis which put you as scum. That isn't something uncommon for scum to do to make it seem like they don't want to get rid of the person scumreading them
-Same as above goes for the opposite. Looker defended you and you said you didn't like it.

So I actually had the previous slot holder as a town lean most of the game. But you've been acting quite scummy.

I don't get this. I think there's more reason for scum to appeal to defenders, and attack attackers. At worst, it should be NAI to you and not scummy. Unless you think my specific reasons for townreading/scumreading you/Looker are off. Are they?

The reads being back to back and very clearly saying the defense of you was bad. And then saying the analysis which very clearly puts you as scum is good.

[Paragon]

Yes, but again, have you looked at reasons below the surface? Or do you just dislike it for the action itself?

By your hypothesis - scum!me did it to make it look like I'm not survivalistic - that doesn't seem to be the case given how you or others have reacted, does it?

[Paragon]

I liked your associations analysis because it shows game solving intent. Now, you dislike my and one other's slots for townreading Knightmare. Did you look deeper into the reasons for townreading Knightmare, and whether they were flawed/fabricated? I know my predecessor was mistaken rather than fabricating, so I'd like to have you go back and see whether you can make anything if my predecessor's read on him.

[Paragon]

HEM/Tanner/paragon:
-Tanner townread on knight

Currently, you have this as a blanket negative reason, when in reality scum will not always simply "townread" each other. Bussing exists, and so does a whole lot of town being wrong.

That's why you need to look at the reasons behind that townread.

[Raya36]

Ok, I'll look closer into it. Associations are something new I'm trying. I never used to look at them in depth.
For now UNVOTE: