Mini 634 - The Baron's court: Game over

[Johoohno]

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch before deadline)
(2) sekinj – OhGodMyLife, Rage
(2) OhGodMyLife – MafiaMann, Mariyta
(1) raverblood – Gremwell

Not voting:

raverblood, sekinj, Singing Librarian, ThAdmiral, thinktank

Deadline:

Saturday 9 August 1:00 AM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Rage]

Unvote: Sekinj
Vote: OhGodMyLife

[Gremwell]

Unvote

[Rage]

This isn't getting anywhere. We now have information on both Sekinj and OhGodMyLife, so I say we move on.

For example, I'm sure the Baron at least would feel like he has to lie to hide his identity.

According to my flavour text, the Moderator is the Baron. Also according to my flavour text, trouble is coming from the Baron's staff. Seeing as how you apparently have no night action but are what I assume the closest role to the Baron, I:

Unvote: OhGodMyLife

@Mod, requesting prod on raverblood and Singing Librarian

@MafiaMann, please answer the questions I asked you in post #128, Page 6.

[MafiaMann]

You know, MafiaMann has been awfully quick to believe whatever Sekinj has been saying..

Anyone that keeps there vote on sekinji now after his claim will be a top suspect till more is learned for now the claim seems legit to me and shows how we should not vote sekinji instead maybe look at those who jumped on the sekinji wagon.

Whatever happened to this, MafiaMann? Surely you know that I jumped on the bandwagon, as pressure was decreasing, but you decided to vote for the player that had bad reasoning? Do you have no trouble with my suspicion of Sekinj?

I feel that sekinjis claim was satisfactory we did get the role and what the role does. He did share information that seems to be legit to this point and if anyone cares to prove it wrong go for it. Also the info he provided does seem helpful. We know that we will have a lot of stuff going on at night and

i dont know bout you guys but that definitly is helpful for me.

Yes, we did get the role, and that the role does nothing, which I doubt. The information he provided seems helpful to the scum more than it does the town, do you wish to dispute this? And, no, we do not know that we will have a lot of stuff going on at night (nor how it is helpful to YOU) because we have no way to know if Sekinj is lying about his information. You immediately took this information as truth, and it seems very off to me.

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Sekinji told us everything and OMGL just says no and we are all supposed to jump on sekinj. I dont know about you but a fool claim beats a no to me any day.

I took it as truth because how easy is it to make up a role on the spot. I dont think sekinj would put himself out there like that with false info. I mean somthing so easy to dispute why would you put yourself out there by saying somthing that someone can "disprove"as OMGL has if you were lieing it makes no sense.

[ThAdmiral]

I agree, but then why would omgl lie - that just means death when sekinj turns up town.

Why would a scum sacrifice themself for someone who has claimed "vanilla with info" and has given us most of the info?

The only thing that makes any sense IF one of them is scum is that sekinj is the scum and he made the claim to root out vanilla claims so that scum would have better odds of hitting roles. But that still is a pretty poor reason to sacrifice yourself as scum.

[Rage]

On Day 1 that seems very unlikely, although Sekinj did attract a lot of attention before he claimed, resulting is mass-unvoting until things were "clearer".

[raverblood]

heres is just thought that i have come up with.

My info said, Power: --- and then later in my list of knowledge: 10 players, in total, beside you have night choices.

trouble is coming from the Baron's staff. Seeing as how you apparently have no night action but are what I assume the closest role to the Baron

rage you gave me an idea... if sekinj is true on what he says then could power be the closest to baron.

FoS: sekinj

because he does seem to be the closest.

[thinktank]

Raver, I don't understand your last post. Closest to the baron? how did you arrive at such a conclusion?

[raverblood]

ok we assume that the mod is a baron. granted no true fact on that just assumptions. and sek said that he got a clue on power. well when rage made the mention that someone in the staff is scum that got me thinking... y would sek get a clue that all it said was power. made no real sence to me until rage mention that. the least suspected on would be the one that the baron trust most or is closest to him.

[Rage]

Sekinj did not say he had a clue about power, just that he has no power and the way it was written was "Power: ---". I don't believe it, but, hey, that's just a hunch. I just don't see why "---", or anything for that matter, would be written if it didn't exist. It would be better just to leave it out, in my opinion.

[Gremwell]

that's really up to the Mod. and if it really is the case that most of us have powers then I don't see anything wrong with using a uniform PM setup.

[Rage]

the least suspected on would be the one that the baron trust most or is closest to him.

My point was that according to my role's

Flavour

, the Baron feels that trouble is arising from inside of his court. That is why I don't believe Sekinj's claim, because I think that for "trouble" to make any sense someone of power must be causing a disruption in the court, and the fact that Sekinj has information that I think benefits the Scum to know more than the Town increases my suspicions.

[Singing Librarian]

I'm really torn on which of the two is most likely to be lying. I don't think this is a case of misunderstanding, though, as by now the one with the misunderstandign would have said "oh, hang on, having read my PM more carefully..." and the confusion would be cleared up. There are other bizarre possibilities, but essentially it comes down to this:

sekinj is telling the truth, and is the chancellor, with no night action, but privy to a certain amount of information including the fact that everyone else has a night action. OhGodMyLife is concerned about the information that sekinj might hold or gain and counterclaims as a vanilla person to make the claim seem false. For this to be the case, the scum team would surely have to have some pretty firm evidence that the information sekinj has could be harmful to them.

sekinj is lying, having made up a role which suggests a lack of powerless townies, partly in the hope that his neck could be saved and partly to fish for vanillas to make the scum's chances of hitting power roles at night much greater. OhGodMyLife really is a vanilla townie and counterclaims.

With consideration, I think it's likely that sekinj is telling the truth. In a game about a court, chancellor would be a risky role name to fakeclaim, and the information volunteered is too easy to be disproved (ie as soon as someone is proved to be a vanilla townie, the claim is proved false). I don't know what it is that the scum are scared of with regards to skinj's information, but it seems clear that they're scared of something, enough that OGML is risking his neck to get sekinj out of the game quickly.

FoS: OhGodMyLife

[thinktank]

It seems everyone except for Sekinj and OMGL is speculating about which one is scum when really we need more talk from the two of them to decide which one is in fact lying.

[sekinj]

I just don't see the point in giving out more information if :

a) According to most players, the information I have given benefits scum more than town
b) Most players think giving personal information is scummy
c) Fishing for information to back up the clues I have is scummy
b) My information is not believed anyway

[Gremwell]

Ok I'd just like to clarify this,

sekinj- you claim barons chancellor, a role with no power/night action, but instead has a list of clues that you don't know if their true


ohgodmylife- you claim to not have a power/night action, and refuse to give any other information

I'm not digging for any new information I'd just like to make sure we're all on the exact same page

[Rage]

a) According to most players, the information I have given benefits scum more than town

Does most players = Rage and Raverblood?

b) Most players think giving personal information is scummy

Where has this been said by anyone?

c) Fishing for information to back up the clues I have is scummy

I've been trying to do that to both you and OhGodMyLife but have never been called scummy for trying.

[d]) My information is not believed anyway

Refer to a) and b).

@OhGodMyLife, I think it is now quite obvious that you have not provided enough information to back up your claim against Sekinj.

[Mariyta]

OGML seems to have dropped out of the discussion. You should really contribute. Currently, your lack of participation strikes me as very scummy. "I refuse to give you any more info; now I'm going to go sit on my rock."

Sekinj, I think you're overreacting quite a bit. If you are indeed the chancellor, you should know how important your information will be in the long run, despite what happens right now. Play it smart and stay alive as long as possible.

[Rage]

Sekinj, I think you're overreacting quite a bit. If you are indeed the chancellor, you should know how important your information will be in the long run, despite what happens right now.

Play it smart and stay alive as long as possible.

Doesn't that only really work for scum and pro-town power roles?

[Mariyta]

If Sekinj truly has that much information, he needs to do the same. It may not be a power role in the traditional sense, but it could end up being pretty powerful if he plays it right.

[thinktank]

can we get a prod on OMGL. He hasn't posted in a while and he's quite important to the current discussion.

[sekinj]

OGML seems to have dropped out of the discussion. You should really contribute. Currently, your lack of participation strikes me as very scummy. "I refuse to give you any more info; now I'm going to go sit on my rock."

Sekinj, I think you're overreacting quite a bit. If you are indeed the chancellor, you should know how important your information will be in the long run, despite what happens right now. Play it smart and stay alive as long as possible.

What bothers me the most is players who push and push for my special information, yet don't provide any of their own basic information.

[sekinj]

I need to point out that my information is almost useless if we don't know anything about each other. (Like the little tid-bit about the first name starting with B, it means nothing currently because we don't know anyone's first name). Now, I understand how that could work to the advantage of the scum, but I think if we play a crafty game, the town will come out ahead.

[Rage]

Save it, Sekinj. That way the Town can use the information later on, when nobody knows what exactly you have. You can't guaranteed that everyone will believe it, though. For example, just because I want you to save whatever information you have, that requires more information to be put to use, does not mean that I will agree with you every time you use your information to prove something is suspicious/wrong.

We need to hear more from OhGodMyLife.