Of course, because GL isn't actually scum hunting. That sort of soft pointing out just looks like it. That's my point. There's no town reason to out a soft. As scum it's please verify so I can shoot the PR.In post 1796, acryon wrote:Because pointing out a softclaim doesn't look like scumhunting? GL didn't question it or use it for scumhunting--he just highlighted it.In post 1791, Titus wrote:No. Once GL realized the soft, an Allomancer lynch was dead and the N1 nk was sealed. Why wouldn't scum GL point it out to look like he's scum hunting.In post 1789, acryon wrote:Doesn't this make it even weirder for scum!GL to point out the soft?
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GL has a bunch of sheep votes in the middle. Also 1.23 is end of day. Second, 1.23 GL is only first because others peeled off. Hardly leading a charge there. Skitter's first vote is on GL in 1.16. Suddenly Skitter is suspect enough to be copped.In post 1799, Auro wrote:In the VCs you quoted:
Skitter first vote in 1.1, 1.16.
GuiltyLion first vote in 1.1, 1.23
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Citation needed.In post 1801, Titus wrote:Suddenly Skitter is suspect enough to be copped.
In post 1301, GuiltyLion wrote:please cop lynch Karnage or Me if this flips green, not Skit-
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Ok except that by pointing to it, town hasIn post 1800, Titus wrote:
Of course, because GL isn't actually scum hunting. That sort of soft pointing out just looks like it. That's my point. There's no town reason to out a soft. As scum it's please verify so I can shoot the PR.In post 1796, acryon wrote:
Because pointing out a softclaim doesn't look like scumhunting? GL didn't question it or use it for scumhunting--he just highlighted it.In post 1791, Titus wrote:
No. Once GL realized the soft, an Allomancer lynch was dead and the N1 nk was sealed. Why wouldn't scum GL point it out to look like he's scum hunting.In post 1789, acryon wrote:Doesn't this make it even weirder for scum!GL to point out the soft?confirmationthat he saw it, and we know by the NK that scum saw it. Not sure addressing it directly for the purposes of confirming it for himself is worth putting himself into the scumpool.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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End of day wagon, Skitter is off it. I was referring to the collective consensus. Since y'all positioned for the TA.In post 1802, Auro wrote:
Citation needed.In post 1801, Titus wrote:Suddenly Skitter is suspect enough to be copped.
In post 1301, GuiltyLion wrote:please cop lynch Karnage or Me if this flips green, not Skit
GL wouldn't want Skitter to be conftown. That's conftown pushing him. Town would want to know if their biggest detractor was town or scum.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Is he really in the scumpool though? The only two people pushing GL are being return pushed as suspects.In post 1803, acryon wrote:
Ok except that by pointing to it, town hasIn post 1800, Titus wrote:
Of course, because GL isn't actually scum hunting. That sort of soft pointing out just looks like it. That's my point. There's no town reason to out a soft. As scum it's please verify so I can shoot the PR.In post 1796, acryon wrote:
Because pointing out a softclaim doesn't look like scumhunting? GL didn't question it or use it for scumhunting--he just highlighted it.In post 1791, Titus wrote:
No. Once GL realized the soft, an Allomancer lynch was dead and the N1 nk was sealed. Why wouldn't scum GL point it out to look like he's scum hunting.In post 1789, acryon wrote:Doesn't this make it even weirder for scum!GL to point out the soft?confirmationthat he saw it, and we know by the NK that scum saw it. Not sure addressing it directly for the purposes of confirming it for himself is worth putting himself into the scumpool.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Not at the moment, but he couldn't know that yesterday. Anyone that didn't comment on it yesterday gets some level of deniability--GL gets none. I'm just not sure why you would want to be so closely connected to the most pivotal post in the game. Even if you could gain good info as scum there, why raise your profile that high?In post 1805, Titus wrote: Is he really in the scumpool though? The only two people pushing GL are being return pushed as suspects.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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Because it confirms or denies the cop, the only major PR in the game. Killing the TA makes the game mountainous which 2 v 7 scum win a lot of the time.In post 1806, acryon wrote:
Not at the moment, but he couldn't know that yesterday. Anyone that didn't comment on it yesterday gets some level of deniability--GL gets none. I'm just not sure why you would want to be so closely connected to the most pivotal post in the game. Even if you could gain good info as scum there, why raise your profile that high?In post 1805, Titus wrote: Is he really in the scumpool though? The only two people pushing GL are being return pushed as suspects.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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That's true, but that wagon was ready to wrap. Allo got an additional vote AFTER the soft, so it's clear not many saw it at the time. If anything, pointing it out stops the wagon.In post 1807, Titus wrote:
Because it confirms or denies the cop, the only major PR in the game. Killing the TA makes the game mountainous which 2 v 7 scum win a lot of the time.In post 1806, acryon wrote:
Not at the moment, but he couldn't know that yesterday. Anyone that didn't comment on it yesterday gets some level of deniability--GL gets none. I'm just not sure why you would want to be so closely connected to the most pivotal post in the game. Even if you could gain good info as scum there, why raise your profile that high?In post 1805, Titus wrote: Is he really in the scumpool though? The only two people pushing GL are being return pushed as suspects.
And is scum!GL really brazen enough to say this:In post 1193, GuiltyLion wrote:
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Pointing out the soft doesn't stop the wagon. You illustrated that. It's Allo's threat of claiming that stops his wagon.In post 1808, acryon wrote:
That's true, but that wagon was ready to wrap. Allo got an additional vote AFTER the soft, so it's clear not many saw it at the time. If anything, pointing it out stops the wagon.In post 1807, Titus wrote:
Because it confirms or denies the cop, the only major PR in the game. Killing the TA makes the game mountainous which 2 v 7 scum win a lot of the time.In post 1806, acryon wrote:
Not at the moment, but he couldn't know that yesterday. Anyone that didn't comment on it yesterday gets some level of deniability--GL gets none. I'm just not sure why you would want to be so closely connected to the most pivotal post in the game. Even if you could gain good info as scum there, why raise your profile that high?In post 1805, Titus wrote: Is he really in the scumpool though? The only two people pushing GL are being return pushed as suspects.
And is scum!GL really brazen enough to say this:In post 1193, GuiltyLion wrote:
I think the Allo situation resolves itselfIn post 1180, acryon wrote:I don't see how the Allo situation gets better tomorrow either, so at the very least we remove a distraction.
GL is basically saying scum shoot Allomancer if he's the TA. That's pretty common sense and NAI. GL's quote isn't scummy to say Allo is self-resolving because it's true.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Like GL's play here is pretty caught scum.
Auro's play here is "GL might be scum but Skitter first".
I don't need to make up reasons for those two to be scum.
If I am wrong, the last scum is Eve due to sucking up and leaving.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Actually it was me backing off for unrelated reasons (call me thick, but I didn't see the soft) that first curbed the wagon. If GL wasn't sure if Allo was TA or not, why not just stay silent and let himIn post 1809, Titus wrote: Pointing out the soft doesn't stop the wagon. You illustrated that. It's Allo's threat of claiming that stops his wagon.actuallyclaim from wagon pressure rather than get involved at all? Why risk your neck?
Ok except people weren't talking about him being the TA. I know you're just jumping into the game now and seeing things in hindsight, but it was certainlyGL is basically saying scum shoot Allomancer if he's the TA. That's pretty common sense and NAI. GL's quote isn't scummy to say Allo is self-resolving because it's true.notsome generally accepted thought that he had claimed TA. Multiple people (including myself at points) were still pushing for an Allo lynch.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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The soft was so blatant to GL it might as well have been a claim.In post 1811, acryon wrote:
Actually it was me backing off for unrelated reasons (call me thick, but I didn't see the soft) that first curbed the wagon. If GL wasn't sure if Allo was TA or not, why not just stay silent and let himIn post 1809, Titus wrote: Pointing out the soft doesn't stop the wagon. You illustrated that. It's Allo's threat of claiming that stops his wagon.actuallyclaim from wagon pressure rather than get involved at all? Why risk your neck?
Ok except people weren't talking about him being the TA. I know you're just jumping into the game now and seeing things in hindsight, but it was certainlyGL is basically saying scum shoot Allomancer if he's the TA. That's pretty common sense and NAI. GL's quote isn't scummy to say Allo is self-resolving because it's true.notsome generally accepted thought that he had claimed TA. Multiple people (including myself at points) were still pushing for an Allo lynch.
You pushed after the soft is irrellevant. Scum knew it wasn't going through. Just because you didn't see something doesn't mean it wasn't there.
I feel so frustrated with everyone. I feel like this is a pride thing. Town collectively at this point has wagoned wrong twice (Allo and Nom) and threatened three more times wrong (Carnage/AH, me, Skitter). What is it going to take to get people to listen rather than be stuck in stubborn pride?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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If your best post for GL scum hunting is showing him PR hunting, maybe take a step back and realize he's scum?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Thank you for giving me the inner thoughts of GL. I think if he was reallyIn post 1812, Titus wrote: The soft was so blatant to GL it might as well have been a claim.thatconfident in it, he would've pushed a bit harder against Allo suspicion as either alignment.
Thank you for giving me the inner thoughts of scum. As others have pointed out,In post 1812, Titus wrote:You pushed after the soft is irrellevant. Scum knew it wasn't going through. Just because you didn't see something doesn't mean it wasn't there.multiplepeople continued to vote/push Allo at various points in the day after the soft. So you can waltz in here with full information of a day and talk about how obvious it was, but that's pretty easy for you to say, isn't it?
It must be really tough being omniscient. Doesn't sound like much fun.In post 1812, Titus wrote:I feel so frustrated with everyone. I feel like this is a pride thing. Town collectively at this point has wagoned wrong twice (Allo and Nom) and threatened three more times wrong (Carnage/AH, me, Skitter). What is it going to take to get people to listen rather than be stuck in stubborn pride?Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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The sass isn't fun. It would be fun if I felt like there was an actual conversation but instead I feel like it's let's shoot Titus down so we can get back to mislynching.In post 1814, acryon wrote:It must be really tough being omniscient. Doesn't sound like much fun.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I did put a suggestion in case I was wrong, but you guys are acting like you have information which says GL is innocent and refusing to even consider he was scum.In post 1816, acryon wrote:Well here's the problem Titus: there are only two people in this game that have perfect information. So if you're actually town, you may want to stop acting like you're one of them.
I did look at the votes assuming I was wrong too. No one engaged that either. It was just objections to my methods because y'all knew better and "leashed scum".ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I mean I can't speak for others, but I just disagree with your reasoning.In post 1817, Titus wrote:
I did put a suggestion in case I was wrong, but you guys are acting like you have information which says GL is innocent and refusing to even consider he was scum.In post 1816, acryon wrote:Well here's the problem Titus: there are only two people in this game that have perfect information. So if you're actually town, you may want to stop acting like you're one of them.
I did look at the votes assuming I was wrong too. No one engaged that either. It was just objections to my methods because y'all knew better and "leashed scum".
It's certainly possible I'm wrong too, but I just don't think VCA is even close to the best way to try and analyze that day 1 given the dynamics at play. So IMO, it is fundamentally flawed.
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It's OK to disagree with my VCA. It's not OK to try and act like you're better than me because you think the VC game leashed scum when its obvious from the two town wagons that scum were fine going along with it.In post 1818, acryon wrote:
I mean I can't speak for others, but I just disagree with your reasoning.In post 1817, Titus wrote:
I did put a suggestion in case I was wrong, but you guys are acting like you have information which says GL is innocent and refusing to even consider he was scum.In post 1816, acryon wrote:Well here's the problem Titus: there are only two people in this game that have perfect information. So if you're actually town, you may want to stop acting like you're one of them.
I did look at the votes assuming I was wrong too. No one engaged that either. It was just objections to my methods because y'all knew better and "leashed scum".
It's certainly possible I'm wrong too, but I just don't think VCA is even close to the best way to try and analyze that day 1 given the dynamics at play. So IMO, it is fundamentally flawed.
GL is not conftown to me. But I also think you might be scum, so that certainly makes me less likely to get on board with what you have to offer, especially if I fundamentally disagree with it.
I scumhunt differently and use words as a backstop. No one engages those either. I commented on how Aurora is distancing from GL. I get crickets. No one even asking what I mean. It's like trying to stop a train with my bare hands. I have to be Supergirl.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I definitely don't think that I am better than you. I also don't necessarily believe the VC game leashed scum; I just think the way the day wentIn post 1819, Titus wrote:It's OK to disagree with my VCA. It's not OK to try and act like you're better than me because you think the VC game leashed scum when its obvious from the two town wagons that scum were fine going along with it.
I scumhunt differently and use words as a backstop. No one engages those either. I commented on how Aurora is distancing from GL. I get crickets. No one even asking what I mean. It's like trying to stop a train with my bare hands. I have to be Supergirl.significantlyimpacted when and where people were voting enough that helpful VCA is going to be impossible.
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I mean, it's perfectly possible that he had those suspicions and never was really obvious about them. Since he said "low-key" that's kind of what it implies.In post 1760, BBmolla wrote:Doubling down on "I've suspected Auro all along" and then linking times you disagreed with Auro aint great though GL I gotta tell ya
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And vice versa, actually. Why do you think this is out of skitter's scumrange?In post 1783, Auro wrote:@GuiltyLion You should focus a little on building consensus about 1/0 with Skitter, tbh
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Yes but I do agree that's not a great look. Doesn't feel very townie to proactively provide justification like that.In post 1821, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:
I mean, it's perfectly possible that he had those suspicions and never was really obvious about them. Since he said "low-key" that's kind of what it implies.In post 1760, BBmolla wrote:Doubling down on "I've suspected Auro all along" and then linking times you disagreed with Auro aint great though GL I gotta tell ya
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Or GL and Auro are distancing and it's theatre.In post 1821, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:
I mean, it's perfectly possible that he had those suspicions and never was really obvious about them. Since he said "low-key" that's kind of what it implies.In post 1760, BBmolla wrote:Doubling down on "I've suspected Auro all along" and then linking times you disagreed with Auro aint great though GL I gotta tell ya
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