In post 1706, Titus wrote:So they'll largely be apathetic or sheep. This is what happened yesterday.
Characterizing me as 'apathetic' just shows you clearly aren't reading the game or checking your assumptions against actual posts. I was quite aggressive in forcing the Lynch onto either nom/Karnage and then when nom was still engaging/fighting at the bitter end I appealed to her to lynch Karnage with me.
In post 1723, GuiltyLion wrote:I think it looks to me like Eve is shading skitter for the sake of shade (IIRC skitter called other people out for this earlier as 'pussyfooting' to see if it's acceptable to vote there), and she's also deflecting responsibility by using a dead townie's reads rather than her own.
The fact that it was a joke notwithstanding, I don't really think that people wouldn't be holding Eve responsible if skitter was lynched because Eve out the blue proposed to sheep noms.
In post 1731, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:By definition they don't. "The whole story" is the sum total of everything game-relevant that's happened. Some of those things are not votes.
In post 1656, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I do think he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon; and I think it's perfectly plausible for scum to believe that an Allo lynch is viable at deadline D1.
No. Just 1000% no.
1) Didn't you say you didn't read the game?
2) Are you disagreeing with me saying he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon, or disagreeing with me saying it's plausible that scum believe an Allo lynch is viable at deadline, or both? I feel that I've shown evidence for both of these things in 1656 - acryon talking about an Allo wagon as well as several other people talking about lynching Allo near deadline.
3) Why are you also arguing with me about something that is purely hypothetical at this point?
- Smarter
A scumfuck never thinks a day 1 PR claim in this setup is a viable mislynch. Whatever scum pushes that faces a flash wagon when Allo claims. Just cash out with the soft claim.
I don't have to read the game to know your proposition is faulty.
I can argue about hypotheticals because we're all hypothesizing. A vote is just an educated guess or a policy vote.
I think everyone in this game is in agreement that Allomancer was highly mislynchable, and
multiple people
were asking for an Allo wagon at deadline. I disagree that "scum never thinks a day 1 PR claim is a viable mislynch"
because the Allomancer wagon WAS IN FACT VIABLE
.
- Smarter
Nope. I bet none of those people were GL or Auro or anyone who claimed to see the soft. Those people wouldn't vote there despite the pleadings of others. A soft claim of PR means a slot is unlynchable.
In post 1045, Auro wrote:I believe I had considered your reasons myself at one point beforehand, and dismissed them. I would strongly say he belongs to the cop bloc lol.
Oh? What made you think the reasons shouldn't be considered? If you're right then I'd rather lynch allo still.
In post 1160, BBmolla wrote:I don't really wanna lynch Nom can we lynch Allo or Eve?
In post 1177, Auro wrote:Nom should be the lynch and if not, Allo
In post 1179, acryon wrote:I'm not into a Karnage lynch. As much as my gut is telling me Allo could be town, I think due to time's sake we have to go there.
I agree with a die roll, but are we sure we don't want people like Sauce/Karnage in the copbloc as well?
In post 1180, acryon wrote:I don't see how the Allo situation gets better tomorrow either, so at the very least we remove a distraction.
In post 1182, acryon wrote:We definitely don't need GL on the wagon for an Allo lynch. Plenty interest there, especially this close to deadline.
In post 1226, nomnomnom wrote:If we lynch someone other than me it should be Eve, Karnage, allo or skitt.
In post 1245, acryon wrote:My opinion is back to Nom goes in the copbloc we lynch Allo.
and here's the post where he actually votes allo at deadline.
In post 1252, acryon wrote:Really unfortunate I can't be around past 15 minutes from now. Sorry for any issues that causes.
VOTE: Allomancer
I think this is what needs to be done.
acryon
nom
bbmolla
Auro (did not believe the soft was real)
us (had some doubt that the soft was real)
all saying we could lynch Allo after the soft, because his play was so horrible. How is that unlynchable?
- Smarter
Allo hard claims. Wagon dead. Do note Auro claiming the soft isn't real helps scum.
At that point in D1, with just a soft, with so many people asking if they can wagon Allo, it's not implausible to want to push a deadline wagon on him (even if it ended with an L-1 claim and then disintegrated again)! Like.... I feel like you're completely missing the point of my posts.
In post 1656, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I do think he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon; and I think it's perfectly plausible for scum to believe that an Allo lynch is viable at deadline D1.
No. Just 1000% no.
1) Didn't you say you didn't read the game?
2) Are you disagreeing with me saying he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon, or disagreeing with me saying it's plausible that scum believe an Allo lynch is viable at deadline, or both? I feel that I've shown evidence for both of these things in 1656 - acryon talking about an Allo wagon as well as several other people talking about lynching Allo near deadline.
3) Why are you also arguing with me about something that is purely hypothetical at this point?
- Smarter
A scumfuck never thinks a day 1 PR claim in this setup is a viable mislynch. Whatever scum pushes that faces a flash wagon when Allo claims. Just cash out with the soft claim.
I don't have to read the game to know your proposition is faulty.
I can argue about hypotheticals because we're all hypothesizing. A vote is just an educated guess or a policy vote.
I think everyone in this game is in agreement that Allomancer was highly mislynchable, and
multiple people
were asking for an Allo wagon at deadline. I disagree that "scum never thinks a day 1 PR claim is a viable mislynch"
because the Allomancer wagon WAS IN FACT VIABLE
.
- Smarter
Nope. I bet none of those people were GL or Auro or anyone who claimed to see the soft. Those people wouldn't vote there despite the pleadings of others. A soft claim of PR means a slot is unlynchable.
In post 1045, Auro wrote:I believe I had considered your reasons myself at one point beforehand, and dismissed them. I would strongly say he belongs to the cop bloc lol.
Oh? What made you think the reasons shouldn't be considered? If you're right then I'd rather lynch allo still.
In post 1160, BBmolla wrote:I don't really wanna lynch Nom can we lynch Allo or Eve?
In post 1177, Auro wrote:Nom should be the lynch and if not, Allo
In post 1179, acryon wrote:I'm not into a Karnage lynch. As much as my gut is telling me Allo could be town, I think due to time's sake we have to go there.
I agree with a die roll, but are we sure we don't want people like Sauce/Karnage in the copbloc as well?
In post 1180, acryon wrote:I don't see how the Allo situation gets better tomorrow either, so at the very least we remove a distraction.
In post 1182, acryon wrote:We definitely don't need GL on the wagon for an Allo lynch. Plenty interest there, especially this close to deadline.
In post 1226, nomnomnom wrote:If we lynch someone other than me it should be Eve, Karnage, allo or skitt.
In post 1245, acryon wrote:My opinion is back to Nom goes in the copbloc we lynch Allo.
and here's the post where he actually votes allo at deadline.
In post 1252, acryon wrote:Really unfortunate I can't be around past 15 minutes from now. Sorry for any issues that causes.
VOTE: Allomancer
I think this is what needs to be done.
acryon
nom
bbmolla
Auro (did not believe the soft was real)
us (had some doubt that the soft was real)
all saying we could lynch Allo after the soft, because his play was so horrible. How is that unlynchable?
- Smarter
Allo hard claims. Wagon dead. Do note Auro claiming the soft isn't real helps scum.
At that point in D1, with just a soft, with so many people asking if they can wagon Allo, it's not implausible to want to push a deadline wagon on him (even if it ended with an L-1 claim and then disintegrated again)! Like.... I feel like you're completely missing the point of my posts.
- Smarter
I completely understand your posts. You have a faulty assumption which leads you astray. Your passion in conviction is pretty town though.
THE VOTES DO NOT FOLLOW ORDINARY VOTING RULES BECAUSE HALF THE TIME WE WERE DEBATING WHO SHOULD BE ON WHAT WAGON AND NEGOTIATING WHEN/WHERE TO VOTE
also, why do you say this as if I am not scum hunting? I've been scumhunting the entire game and if you actually read any of my posts instead of skimming VCs you would see that
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
THE VOTES DO NOT FOLLOW ORDINARY VOTING RULES BECAUSE HALF THE TIME WE WERE DEBATING WHO SHOULD BE ON WHAT WAGON AND NEGOTIATING WHEN/WHERE TO VOTE
also, why do you say this as if I am not scum hunting? I've been scumhunting the entire game and if you actually read any of my posts instead of skimming VCs you would see that
Who said I used ordinary assumptions? I factored the setup into my analysis.
I am just hearing whining. You aren't going to persuade me by whining about my methods. It just makes you look like caught for the wrong reasons, particularly when I asked you about your AH thoughts but I get met with more whining.
In post 1706, Titus wrote:So they'll largely be apathetic or sheep. This is what happened yesterday.
Characterizing me as 'apathetic' just shows you clearly aren't reading the game or checking your assumptions against actual posts. I was quite aggressive in forcing the Lynch onto either nom/Karnage and then when nom was still engaging/fighting at the bitter end I appealed to her to lynch Karnage with me.
The votes don't show that.
Stop whining and start scum hunting.
also this is just objectively wrong lol, it's quite clear in the VCs even given us negotiating votes
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. nomnomnom has been lynched.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 1737, Titus wrote:I am just hearing whining. You aren't going to persuade me by whining about my methods. It just makes you look like caught for the wrong reasons, particularly when I asked you about your AH thoughts but I get met with more whining.
I gave AH thoughts already.
Constantly characterizing my pushing you on questionable/flawed reasoning as "whining" is really disingenuous
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 1740, Titus wrote:Votes on a wagon are votes on a wagon. They don't say pushed or not. I see a player who needs the support of others before getting on a wagon.
And I'm saying if you read the actual game you wouldn't see that
I'm very waffley on Auro. The entire game he's felt principled against townreading me, no matter how much I tried to engage with him, and similarly has felt principled against ever scumreading the Karnage slot. I can easily imagine this as a scum agenda of discrediting my play (which he knows is generally above average IMO) and either protecting buddy Karnage or WKing a slot to set himself up for a better D3.
There are occasional moments where I do like things that he's pushing or doing, but these are few and far in between. If Eve is scum then Auro's town equity goes wayyyy up. If Eve is town (and Atari is town) then I'd say Auro is rather good odds of scum, but even then I'm still worried on the possibility of a Molla/Titus team where Auro and I have just been barking up opposite trees and each correctly townreading a slot that the other scumreads, and unable to find each other as town as a result.
I don't think he's the best lynch today but I'd really love if we could find any common ground at all and he seems incapable of doing that with me
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 1713, Titus wrote:That would prove my predecessor is town then. Scum don't try to mislynch a PR in this setup. It proves my predecessor was town and blind.
No, I mean, your predecessor quietly dropped the push after Allo softed… see 1623.
-Smart
Why isn't Titus getting more votes?
Oh c'mon GL don't tell me you don't see Skitter+Titus. Or at least Titus.
Adoption and commitment to a strategy that would've screwed me over is the strongest personal reason. Prolly this is the only time I'll do it as town though
