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Post Post #1450 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 10:56 am

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Post Post #1451 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 12:11 pm

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Karnage, why is Eve probably town? Towards the end of D1 it seemed like you didn't really have a read on that slot but said you preferred to keep Eve alive so that scum would have to decide whether to NK her. What has changed since then?

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Post Post #1452 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 12:13 pm

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In post 1429, acryon wrote:
In post 1428, Auro wrote:I know it isn't. Don't think I necessarily need a vote to make my pushes :P, but yeah I'll be more active in a while.

I think {Acryon, Eve, Karnage, 1/0} are all town.
Molla is also town.
GL, perhaps.

PoE of {Skitter, Rex} then.
Switch Eve and GL and it's the same for me.
I feel like here you are indicating a strong (or at least stronger) townread on Karnage..
In post 1445, acryon wrote:
In post 1444, GuiltyLion wrote:idk I feel Karnage's play here is similar to my own as scum (tempted to reference the aforementioned Newbie game again :P), where you just aim to sound town by tone/reasoning and post & do as little as you can get away with. He's getting away with not doing a whole lot it seems!
I don't doubt that it's a possibility he's scum here, and if I don't see some real action from him soon, I'll be ready to move there too. I guess I just would expect more from a player of his tenure as either alignment honestly.
But here you imply the read is weak enough that you would vote him if he maintains his current level of activity.

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Post Post #1453 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 12:14 pm

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In post 1443, acryon wrote:Since he's a competent player, I guess I wouldn't expect him to lurk-scum? I know I would never lurk-scum even if it's a good strategy.
Some people just lurk because of RL, though.

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Post Post #1454 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 12:17 pm

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In post 1437, Eve wrote:Guilty and Auro are probably town

skitter is a little off and my only scum impression
Can you explain what gave you a scum impression of skitter?

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Post Post #1455 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 12:22 pm

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In post 1419, Eve wrote:i think we have this in the bag

i don't think Karnage is scum
Also why don't you think Karnage is scum?

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Post Post #1456 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 12:26 pm

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In post 1312, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: karnage
Are you scumreading Karnage?

You basically didn't mention him after your pressure vote yesterday and now presumably he is your strongest scumread, can you explain your progression there?

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Post Post #1457 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 12:27 pm

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In post 1343, Karnage wrote:
In post 1334, skitter30 wrote:... it's day2 and we've had flips already
i'm kinda not sure how you don't have any reads at this point ...
I have some reads but I just don't think they're worth much. I think TLDE, auro, and acryon are town. Eve is probably town too.

That leaves scum in skitter, GL, BB, and SR.

Gun to my head I'd say SR is town and BB idk. I'd prefer to lynch either skit/GL today
Is it a coincidence that skitter and GL are the two people voting you?

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Post Post #1458 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:48 pm

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In post 1428, Auro wrote:I know it isn't. Don't think I necessarily need a vote to make my pushes :P, but yeah I'll be more active in a while.

I think {Acryon, Eve, Karnage, 1/0} are all town.
Molla is also town.
GL, perhaps.

PoE of {Skitter, Rex} then.
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Post Post #1459 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:48 pm

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In post 1437, Eve wrote:Guilty and Auro are probably town

skitter is a little off and my only scum impression
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Post Post #1460 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:50 pm

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In post 1442, acryon wrote:Karnage I just had a gut-town read on and there frankly just hasn't been enough content to move the needle for me.
ok so let's talk about this
can you point to where you got the gutread from
cuz frankly i think everything that karnage has failed to do from like mid-day1 outweighs the fact that his early day-1 was kinda townie
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Post Post #1461 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:51 pm

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In post 1458, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1428, Auro wrote:I know it isn't. Don't think I necessarily need a vote to make my pushes :P, but yeah I'll be more active in a while.

I think {Acryon, Eve, Karnage, 1/0} are all town.
Molla is also town.
GL, perhaps.

PoE of {Skitter, Rex} then.
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also karnage, i somehow missed you putting him there
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Post Post #1462 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:52 pm

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also saus is honestly probably going to get replaced at this point, and he's pretty clearly not reading the game
putting votes on him feels like a bit of a waste @acryon @bbmolla
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Post Post #1463 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:53 pm

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In post 1401, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1396, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:What about it do you think is backwards? It seemed like acryon was getting cold feet about a nom wagon as we got close to deadline and he tried to restart an Allo wagon. It’s possible that at that point scum could have pushed a deadline Allo lynch without getting a hardclaim. Do you disagree?
no? nom was a mislynch so why would scum switch at that point ...
it was a few hours before deadline iirc and i dont' think allo was viable at that point; allo could and should have been pushed earlier if that was what scum were trying to do
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Post Post #1464 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:55 pm

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In post 1456, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:
In post 1312, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: karnage
Are you scumreading Karnage?

You basically didn't mention him after your pressure vote yesterday and now presumably he is your strongest scumread, can you explain your progression there?

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he's doing practically nothing and seems content to float and be prodded to give haphazard reads and doesn't, like, do anything with them
basically had no real push/influence/care about the end-of-day lynch yesterday
the gamestate feels dead and like scum aren't doing anything and karnage kinda fits that picture
weird interactions with nom
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Post Post #1465 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 7:01 pm

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maybe it's just skitter/saus?
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Post Post #1466 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 7:01 pm

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like isn't skitter supposed to be obv town by this point
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Post Post #1467 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 7:07 pm

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In post 1458, skitter30 wrote:talk to me about your reads on eve and molla
When I look at her vote and reads progressions, they generally match (apart from the Molla and Auro push).
Molla's playing too reasonably and maybe that's reason to be cautious :P , but that's prolly just paranoia and his play otherwise has been towny.
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Post Post #1468 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 7:53 pm

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Auro why is your vote not on scum!Karnage
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Post Post #1469 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 7:56 pm

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I think he's town. Happy cake day!
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Post Post #1470 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 1:31 am

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In post 1453, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:
In post 1443, acryon wrote:Since he's a competent player, I guess I wouldn't expect him to lurk-scum? I know I would never lurk-scum even if it's a good strategy.
Some people just lurk because of RL, though.

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I agree, and I'm not giving him a pass for it. I just see the lurking as null at the moment.
In post 1452, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:
In post 1429, acryon wrote:
In post 1428, Auro wrote:I know it isn't. Don't think I necessarily need a vote to make my pushes :P, but yeah I'll be more active in a while.

I think {Acryon, Eve, Karnage, 1/0} are all town.
Molla is also town.
GL, perhaps.


PoE of {Skitter, Rex} then.
Switch Eve and GL and it's the same for me.
I feel like here you are indicating a strong (or at least stronger) townread on Karnage.
This is true, but it's basically entirely gut. Gut-reads don't get unlimited grace.
In post 1460, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1442, acryon wrote:Karnage I just had a gut-town read on and there frankly just hasn't been enough content to move the needle for me.
ok so let's talk about this
can you point to where you got the gutread from
cuz frankly i think everything that karnage has failed to do from like mid-day1 outweighs the fact that his early day-1 was kinda townie
Like you indicated, it's basically all early day 1 for me as well. The rest of the day was null for me.
In post 1462, skitter30 wrote:also saus is honestly probably going to get replaced at this point, and he's pretty clearly not reading the game
putting votes on him feels like a bit of a waste @acryon @bbmolla
I mean maybe, but we've got plenty of day that I'm not concerned with that at the moment.
In post 1464, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1456, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:
In post 1312, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: karnage
Are you scumreading Karnage?

You basically didn't mention him after your pressure vote yesterday and now presumably he is your strongest scumread, can you explain your progression there?

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he's doing practically nothing and seems content to float and be prodded to give haphazard reads and doesn't, like, do anything with them
basically had no real push/influence/care about the end-of-day lynch yesterday
the gamestate feels dead and like scum aren't doing anything and karnage kinda fits that picture
weird interactions with nom
Doesn't Sauce fit a lot of this picture too?
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Post Post #1471 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 1:41 am

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Can someone else look at Eve's and Karnage's interactions and tell me what they think?

They both have basically kept each other as town/null-town the whole game with very little actual interaction.

These couple posts from Karnage say a lot about where my mind is headed:
In post 394, Karnage wrote:I think I'd prefer an allomancer lynch than eve but I'm going to take another look at each of them
In post 455, Karnage wrote:
In post 454, Auro wrote:Eve!
maybe but I need to go back and look at skitter again first
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Post Post #1472 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 1:43 am

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Keep in mind he never went and took a look and came back with anything. Just kept pushing off the idea of an Eve lynch with no reasoning other than some version of "reasoning is coming".
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Post Post #1473 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 1:50 am

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Oh that's interesting. Good catch, him saying he needs to "relook" different things each time Eve was offered as a lynch candidate.
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Post Post #1474 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 2:07 am

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I'm sorry guys. I've tried to sit down and get into this game but I just can't. I don't know if I'm burnt out or what. I think its best that I step aside and hope somebody else can do a better job. May have to take a break from mafia for a bit. Hope to see you all again some time in the future.

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