Mini 637: Xyl's Smalltown Plus - Game Over

[armlx]

but i don't want to die, i have such a shitty ability, wtf.

So upgrade it by trying to block a kill on a more important ability.

[Styro]

but i die, dude

[armlx]

but i die, dude

This is scum logic along the lines of how Crazy tried to avoid SBing.

[Xylthixlm]

Vote Count

armlx -

2

(nhat, ZombieSlayer54)
ZombieSlayer54 -

2

(hasdgfas, armlx)
empking -

1

(wolframnhart)
wolframnhart -

1

(Empking)

Not voting: pwnz, charter

With 8 alive, it will take 5 to lynch. The deadline for day 1 is Saturday, August 15 at 7:00 PM Pacific.

[Styro]

but i die, dude

This is scum logic along the lines of how Crazy tried to avoid SBing.

no, i want to be in this game, you don't have to be a scum to not want to die.

[armlx]

but i die, dude

This is scum logic along the lines of how Crazy tried to avoid SBing.

no, i want to be in this game, you don't have to be a scum to not want to die.

But to want to avoid your own death at the cost of the town as a whole implies you are scum.

[charter]

Styro, I'm about to vote you for lynching because of that avatar. Seriously, it hurts my head...

armlx, don't tell other's what to do with their abilities. If someone chooses not to use it, then they'd damn well better have a good reason for not doing it. If Styro went through the night and said he didn't protect anyone, he would almost certainly be scum. Everyone will have to explain their actions tomorrow and scum won't have very good explanations.

[armlx]

Or I could call him out on it now when he states his intent. Which I'm doing.

[charter]

It's a lot scummier tomorrow if he didn't protect anyone and had a bad reason for not, than his not wanting to protect someone today. There's most likely two scum still out there, so we could have gotten his partner today and waited until tomorrow to see if he incriminated himself (if he is scum).

[armlx]

You also don't consider the fact that (if I remember IRC Smalltown right, which Xyl designed the bot for) the mafia kill counts as a night action. If Styro does something scummy today, I want to call him out for it today so that if he ends up turning out to be scum and gets lynched his partner is forced to claim an ability use tomorrow that has a definite trackable result (assuming his partner isn't myself or wolf, 2 people I have ruled out). His partner is also just as likely to be tracked to him during a wagon today compared to one tomorrow. Even if he is scum, he has 3 people (ZS, yourself, and pwnz) who could potentially call him out if he claims a fake protect tonight and kills, which is likely as if he is scum he is the weakest in game role for them to use and most likely to make the kill regardless of the pairing (again, barring wolf being scum). Also, if he is just town who isn't thinking, him knowing to use his ability is far better then him not using it, which is something I definitely think is still possible at this point.

[Styro]

the only reason why I would sacrifice myself (a definite town player, at least to me) to protect someone who isn't confirmed town (even if he/she is acting pro-town) is absurd, for all I know that certain pro-town player might be scum and we get fucked over protecting a scum.

I can't protect people based on abilities because that's a null-tell in this game.

I can't protect people based on alignment because no one is confirmed, not even you, the oh-so-pro-town armlx.

In fact, if I am gonna get mislynched just because people don't agree with me, I might as well use it because I know that my death will be a definite loss to town, I don't know about anyone else's death (whether it'll be a loss to town). The only people that'll know that are the scums.

[armlx]

Styro, if you stop a kill, its most likely going to be on a pro-town player.

[Styro]

Wait but the thing is if I get lucky and actually save a town playter, I'll be dead by the next Day, so that player won't be confirmed anyways (since no one will know who I protected), I think I'm worth the same (at the least) as any other town player, so why would I do that to myself?

[armlx]

But having any other pro-town role live to tomorrow is more valuable then your role living as any role that would be killed most likely can change the end result of the game (numbers or information wise) where as your role simply replaces one death with another, which doesn't prevent the game from ending at the same time or directly hand out information the longer you live.

[wolframnhart]

Wolf, you did poison Emp, correct? He's being EXTREMELY unhelpful when he supposedly has nothing left to lose. He should be trying to help out the town if he's town.

I want to hear more from pwnz, your lurkism and not taking a stanceism is not helping us out in the least. Why are you content with just flying under the radar?

LoL yea charter I did poison Emp, but it's like I told ZS, unfortunatly the poison will not take effect until the end of the day, which means someone has to be lynched first before Emp is killed.

[charter]

Wait but the thing is if I get lucky and actually save a town playter, I'll be dead by the next Day, so that player won't be confirmed anyways (since no one will know who I protected), I think I'm worth the same (at the least) as any other town player, so why would I do that to myself?

Everyone will say they know they are a townie, but it doesn't mean a thing to anyone else. The fact of the matter is, if you do manage to save someone, it's most likely that they are in fact town. Also, their role will be more useful to the town, so therefore, to the rest of us, there is no protown reason you wouldn't try and save whoever you think is going to get killed tonight. armlx summed it up pretty well with pointing out how Crazy didn't want to use his power, and look how that one turned out...

@Wolf, good. Emp is the poster child for being the vig target in a game.

[Styro]

aight then imma save a secret some1 tonite

[pwnz]

What, am I supposed to say that the death of a townie is good?

Maybe it is. It provides us information.

But it is still nowhere near as good as the death of a scum, which I heartily approve of more than the death of a townie.

I mean, can you REALLY say that you would have preferred iceman to kill Alabaska over someone who is actually scum?

This logic is absurd. Of course I would have rather hit scum then town, but you can't hold it against me that the scummiest player in the game wasn't scum when you agreed on it. And what were your thoughts on Alabaska before he died?

I agree with armlx. The two players that died were scummy, and I definitely had AlabaskaJ on my "to track" list.

I compiled everyones voting history to see if there were any specific voting patterns to be found within the people that have been killed:

charter - 1 (hasdgfas)

IcemanE - 2 (cerebus3, charter)
charter - 1 (hasdgfas)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)

IcemanE - 2 (cerebus3, charter)
charter - 2 (hasdgfas, Crazy)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)
cerebus3 - 1 (Alabaska J)

IcemanE - 3 (cerebus3, charter, Crazy)
charter - 1 (hasdgfas)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)
cerebus3 - 1 (Alabaska J)

IcemanE - 4 (cerebus3, charter, Crazy, ZombieSlayer54)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)
cerebus3 - 1 (Alabaska J)
Crazy - 1 (icemanE)
empking - 1 (hasdgfas)

IcemanE - 4 (cerebus3, charter, Crazy, ZombieSlayer54)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)
cerebus3 - 1 (Alabaska J)
Crazy - 1 (icemanE)
empking - 1 (hasdgfas)

IcemanE - 4 (cerebus3, charter, Crazy, ZombieSlayer54)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)
cerebus3 - 1 (Alabaska J)
Crazy - 1 (icemanE)
empking - 1 (hasdgfas)

IcemanE - 4 (cerebus3, charter, Crazy, ZombieSlayer54)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)
cerebus3 - 1 (Alabaska J)
Crazy - 1 (icemanE)
empking - 1 (hasdgfas)

IcemanE - 3 (cerebus3, charter, Crazy)
empking - 3 (hasdgfas, ZombieSlayer54, wolframnhart)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)
cerebus3 - 1 (Alabaska J)
Crazy - 1 (icemanE)

empking - 3 (hasdgfas, ZombieSlayer54, wolframnhart)
IcemanE - 2 (charter, Crazy)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)
cerebus3 - 1 (Alabaska J)
Crazy - 1 (icemanE)
Alabaska J - 1 (cerebus3)

empking - 3 (hasdgfas, ZombieSlayer54, wolframnhart)
IcemanE - 2 (charter, Crazy)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)
cerebus3 - 1 (Alabaska J)
Crazy - 1 (icemanE)
Alabaska J - 1 (cerebus3)

empking - 3 (hasdgfas, ZombieSlayer54, wolframnhart)
IcemanE - 1 (charter)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)

empking - 3 (hasdgfas, ZombieSlayer54, wolframnhart)
armlx - 1 (nhat)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)

armlx - 2 (nhat, ZombieSlayer54)
empking - 1 (wolframnhart)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)
ZombieSlayer54 - 1 (hasdgfas)

armlx - 2 (nhat, ZombieSlayer54)
ZombieSlayer54 - 2 (hasdgfas, armlx)
empking - 1 (wolframnhart)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)

armlx - 2 (nhat, ZombieSlayer54)
ZombieSlayer54 - 2 (hasdgfas, armlx)
empking - 1 (wolframnhart)
wolframnhart - 1 (Empking)

IcemanE (TOWN - Super Backup -> Suicide Bomber/Bulletproof Vest) did nothing but vote for Crazy

Crazy (MAFIA - Suicide Bomber/Godfather) voted for charter first and then switched his vote over to IcemanE for the remainder of his life

AlabaskaJ (TOWN - Vote Motivator) voted for nobody but cerebus3

cerebus3 (VIG - Jailkeeper/Vigilante) voted for IcemanE followed by AlabaskaJ

Put that all together and we are left with one Mafia vote on charter at the very beginning of the game, which could honestly mean anything.

Alignment is still a very difficult thing to deduce, but I feel like I am under a lot of pressure to put a vote on someone. I'm going with the only thing that I could squeeze out of the voting history and

vote charter

. It may not be the best reason ever to vote someone, but at least I have something to put behind my vote other then, "he is the scummiest poster". Mafia will sometimes vote for other members of the mafia early in the game in order to remove suspicion.

[charter]

I don't know what you want me to say to that. There's nothing I can do to defend myself, because as far as I can tell you dont actually think I'm suspicious, just going off of Crazy's voting history, correct?

[hasdgfas]

FoS: pwnz

Voting history? Seriously? I can't believe that's the only reason you have for voting at this point in the game. I mean, seriously. So much has happened

[armlx]

I find it funny that the vote Crazy made on Charter was for attacking the lots of lynch strategy, when in the end that was what gave Crazy away.

[Empking]

I can prove it, just not the way you want me to prove it.

Then do so.

I still advocate not planning them out in thread.

^^

There is also no reason not to use your night ability tonight.

Go to the place where it say all users - click on his name anfd press go.

[hasdgfas]

I can prove it, just not the way you want me to prove it.

Then do so.

I still advocate not planning them out in thread.

^^

There is also no reason not to use your night ability tonight.

Go to the place where it say all users - click on his name anfd press go.

The onus of proof is on you, Empking. You can't expect us all to see what you see just by looking through his posts. You have to show us what you see.

[armlx]

Cownath'ed.

[Xylthixlm]

ZombieSlayer54 has been prodded.