Mini 579 - The Plagues of Egypt Mafia - Over

[stark]

Hey comrades,

I'm going to be out of contact for a few days.

Things to do while I'm gone:

1. Lynch Stoofer
2. Lynch Stoofer

Also, if the mod doesn't have a problem with it, I would like to proxy my vote to lord_hur, during the period of my absense.

[lord_hur]

Well, he is at -2.

And I think he's scum.

Damn, unless I'm blind, stark must have been seeing things. Mr Stoofer is at L-3, not L-2. I only counted one vote, HH's, and we are 6.

And all my comments about his vote go down the drain...

[HackerHuck]

lord_hur, could you please be a little more clear in your comments? I'm not sure whom you are referring to.

Yes, my vote didn't have any specific comments regarding Mr Stoofer, but if you would looke through my post history, you will see that I have had my eye on him for quite some time. I think at this point based on some of the things I've seen, a vote for him is warranted.

[SeraphicMirth]

OK well it's Monday and apparently it wasn't at -2 anyway. So, I'll place my vote

vote Stoofer

[HackerHuck]

*bump*

Maybe we should get some prods on everyone who hasn't posted in the last week days. I realise Stark might not be back yet, but it wouldn't hurt to prod everyone.

[Mr Stoofer]

I will be V/LA until Monday.

[lord_hur]

Mr Stoofer, I didn't get any pro-town feeling from you recently (or from the start, for that matter) so I'm about to vote you.

Given stark will probably hammer, whether he's town or scum (unless you're scum together), I think you should claim.

[hasdgfas]

So, I might be thick, but could someone point me to a post where someone went through and showed what Stoofer did that was scummy? Because all I've seen is people saying it without backing it up.

[stark]

Alright, I'm back.

My mistake, Lh, counting is essential. Now it's -2, I think. But I'll leave that to undo to decide. I am already voting him, though, fyi.

The basic reasoning for Stoofer being scum is two-fold, hasggsdidifg.

1. Stoofer has more or less flown under the radar the entire game.

2. He has not done anything particularly pro-town. He claims that his persuit of Guardian, who he seems to believe was scum, was exceptionally pro-town. I disagree.

I fully support a Stoofer claim on monday

[lord_hur]

I am already voting him, though, fyi.

Mind pointing to that vote please ?

[lord_hur]

The basic reasoning for Stoofer being scum is two-fold, hasggsdidifg.

1. Stoofer has more or less flown under the radar the entire game.

2. He has not done anything particularly pro-town. He claims that his persuit of Guardian, who he seems to believe was scum, was exceptionally pro-town. I disagree.

My reasons are not these :

The core is that Mr Stoofer was the one who pushed most for the two lynches we made so far, which I think are both town.

There's also that slip about the number of scums, and various scumtells I can't be bothered to recap.

And exactly zero towntells, as far as i'm concerned.

Also, I have an image of Mr Stoofer being a great (at least, much over the average) player, and that does not make sense with town-Mr Stoofer. Too many mistakes, too many bad assessments (in my opinion of course). Scum-Mr Stoofer looks much better to me. The scum have played very intelligently this game.

[stark]

I was really certain that I had voted him.

Error

Vote: Mr. Stoofer

[lord_hur]

Here we are, L-1.

Guess we can just wait for his claim now. Or for scum to hammer him in case he's town.

[undo]

Not voting:

hasdgfas, lord_hur, Mr Stoofer

With 6 alive, it's

4 to lynch

[hasdgfas]

Here we are, L-1.

Guess we can just wait for his claim now.

Or for scum to hammer him in case he's town.

I doubt this part, as he's V/LA until Monday, so if someone hammered now, they'd probably be lynched tomorrow.

[lord_hur]

No matter, I'm about sure we're in lylo.

[stark]

I think the fact that Stoofer has not been hammered by now more or less proves that he's scum.

If he were town, one of two scenerios are there:

If there were three scum, as Stoofer claims, we are definately in lylo, inwhichcase scum would take his lynch now.

If there were two scum, tomorrow they would still control half the lynch (providing the kill went through), which equals lylo again.

However, because he is scum, the other scum obviously can't hammer now.

(This was also post to move the game up to first page after all of the game closings.)

[lord_hur]

There is also the possibility both scums are already voting town-Mr Stoofer right now, so they cannot hammer.

[Mr Stoofer]

1. Stoofer has more or less flown under the radar the entire game.

2. He has not done anything particularly pro-town. He claims that his persuit of Guardian, who he seems to believe was scum, was exceptionally pro-town. I disagree.

Is this a joke? I have been the most active participant in the game, pushing discussion, trying to keep the game moving, etc. I honestly believe that this game would have died if I had not been keeping it going (and to be honest, the effort has exhausted me).

That

is what I have done that is particularly pro-town. I have a challenge for you stark, to name

one

player that has done something "particulalrly pro-town" and explain what it is.

As for "flying under the radar", if you mean I have laid low - you must be kidding, right? If you mean that I have not come under suspicion - you must be kidding right? Which do you mean, and how on earth do you justify it?

[Mr Stoofer]

The core is that Mr Stoofer was the one who pushed most for the two lynches we made so far, which I think are both town.

Well, I was on the Guardian lynch, who I think was Scum and so did the majority of the Town.

I was not on Musher's lynch, although I was in favour of it - again, as were the majority.

These were my honest suspects. Unlike a lot of players in this game who have sat back an let others -i.e. me make the running (and you are a little bit guily of this, lord_hur) I have tried to keep this game moving forward by posting my suspicions and my reasons.

There's also that slip about the number of scums,

Which one? Hacker Huck seems to think that i slipped up by revealing that there were 2 Scums. Whereas you think I slipped up by revealing that there were 3 Scums.

and various scumtells I can't be bothered to recap.

I know you are 99% confirmed Town, but if you weren't then this sort of thing would look really scummy.

And exactly zero towntells, as far as i'm concerned.

Can you name one towntell given off by any other player in this game? Here are some suggestions: (i) not lurking, unlike most players in this game (ii) not being afraid to post my suspicions and back them up with reasons?

Also, I have an image of Mr Stoofer being a great (at least, much over the average) player, and that does not make sense with town-Mr Stoofer. Too many mistakes, too many bad assessments (in my opinion of course). Scum-Mr Stoofer looks much better to me. The scum have played very intelligently this game.

Silly. I am not a good player. Look at my wiki page: you will see that a have lost

a lot

more games than I have one. My custom title "Less than scum" was given to me because I was not worthy of a full "Mafia Scum" title. The reasons people like playing with me is not because I am good at this game but because I am active and keep the game moving.

[Mr Stoofer]

So in summary, I am being lynched because (a) I have been the most active player, and (b) I "slipped" and revealed that there were 2 or 3 Scum, depending on whether you are Hacker Huck or lord_hur.

[Mr Stoofer]

EBWOP

:

That last post is not quite right. I am getting confused about what slips I am supposed to have made, because of lord_hur's confusing and contradictory posts. Post 1015 made me think that lord_hur thought there are 3 Scums.

@lord_hur

: you have said (a) there are 2 scums (post 989) (b) Guardian was pro-town (post 989 and others) (c) we are in lylo (post 1015). How do you reconcile those statements?

[stark]

Blah blah blah, poor me, I'm so awesome, blah blah blah.

Abridged for people on the go.

So in summary, I am being lynched because (a) I have been the most active player, and (b) I "slipped" and revealed that there were 2 or 3 Scum, depending on whether you are Hacker Huck or lord_hur.

Yes.

Claim.

[HackerHuck]

Mr Stoofer, you must be very confused. I don't recall ever accusing you of knowing how many scum there are. My only discussion came in to play when I was debunking Lord_Hur's assertion that both you and I are guilty of that.

My suspicion comes down more to a lot of little things - your play is just a little too poor and I'm not buying the whole "I'm not really that good at this game" act. You manage to put together a lot of defencive metagaming, but you can't seem to do a good job of scum-hunting. I think my post where you had nailed down all but a couple suspects is a good sign of that. In fact, after you mentioned that you would look into it, I don't think you ever followed up.

Combining all that with touting how much you're keeping the game moving, I think that it's pretty obvious that you might be doing a lot to keep yourself visible, but you're not really doing that much in the way of good scum hunting. I don't really see any better option for scum than you right now.

[lord_hur]

@lord_hur

: you have said (a) there are 2 scums (post 989) (b) Guardian was pro-town (post 989 and others) (c) we are in lylo (post 1015). How do you reconcile those statements?

Err, I think there are 4 townies and 2 scums left. If we mislynch, we are down to 2 town and 2 scum, so we lose.