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[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Like honestly I'm actually having some trouble seeing who is scum if both Allo and Eve are town here, and that usually indicates skitt scum.

Can you explain this part more?

- Smarter

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Hi GL, what's your current read on acryon? I don't think you've mentioned him since 509. Is he still your strongest townread, and can you share your thoughts on his recent posts?

- Smarter

[nomnomnom]

Like honestly I'm actually having some trouble seeing who is scum if both Allo and Eve are town here, and that usually indicates skitt scum.

Can you explain this part more?

- Smarter

If I can't say for sure "X is scum" then that means the scum is good and obviously I look at the more competent player on the table if that's the case.

[nomnomnom]

Eh, fuck it. The fact that skitt actually voted me after stating that karnage is scum and dropping that read really fast is a really big red flag and I am not taking chances.
VOTE: Skitter
bbmolla feels a bit sketch too, I don't know where this day is going and honestly I'm having no fucking clue right now.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Like honestly I'm actually having some trouble seeing who is scum if both Allo and Eve are town here, and that usually indicates skitt scum.

Can you explain this part more?

- Smarter

If I can't say for sure "X is scum" then that means the scum is good and obviously I look at the more competent player on the table if that's the case.

Sorry I guess I wasn't clear - why skitter in particular here?

- Smarter

[skitter30]

ok
VOTE: nom
for emphasis

[skitter30]

Eh, fuck it. The fact that skitt actually voted me after stating that karnage is scum and dropping that read really fast is a really big red flag and I am not taking chances.
VOTE: Skitter
bbmolla feels a bit sketch too, I don't know where this day is going and honestly I'm having no fucking clue right now.

like everything you've said to/about me in the last couple of pages is awful, how in earth do you come to the conclusion that me voting you here is scummy for me ...

[skitter30]

It could be a legit slip that's why I pointed out.
I'm not 100% entertaining it as a legit slip, just pointing that out right now because slips become apparent in late game.

like what on earth?
it doesn't even make sense as a slip, pushing this is ridiculous ???

[skitter30]

The thing is that if I vote skitt right now it's going to cause a 1v1 gamestate and I'm likely to lose the 1v1 and if we're both town that's a very bad gamestate to induce on purpose.
I'm just pondering things really, I'd go on a 1v1 if I was 1v1 convinced, but I am not.
UNVOTE:

and inducing this gamestate on purpose right after you say this ???

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Eh, fuck it. The fact that skitt actually voted me after stating that karnage is scum and dropping that read really fast is a really big red flag and I am not taking chances.
VOTE: Skitter
bbmolla feels a bit sketch too, I don't know where this day is going and honestly I'm having no fucking clue right now.

Er... I don't think skitter ever said "karnage is scum," in fact the exact words were "i'm ok pressuring this" which sounds like it's just a pressure vote and not a serious scumread

relevant posts quoted below

i think that eve is basically lynchbait and i dont' really want to end the day voting there, it would kinda feel like a waste after everything
it's like voting notmafia ... yes they're annoying and not being +townie but that doesn't inherently make them scummy

nom you're basically voting people for 'not doing townie things' as opposed to 'for doing scummy things', which i think is kinda fallacious and i think you can find something better to push
and why are you dropping allo now anyways ?

i'm ok pressuring this VOTE: karnage

While at first I thought Karnage seemed like town, the fact that multiple people have defended him as just being gut town feels odd. It feels like one of {acryon, molla} could've said that to try to prevent a wagon forming on a partner without having to describe their reads. I also don't like molla's posting generally, that I'm no longer sure which of those two could be scum.

VOTE: Karnage

Easier than having to guess between acryon and molla.

He's been dipping in and out of thread for the last several days wothout really doing anything anf giving vague 'i looked at his iso and i dont see why he's scum type reads'
Like he had a few takes in the beginning of the game that i kinda liked but those sorts of takes kinda disappeared

Also i wasnt aware that townposts made u disengage so strongly? Can you point to another time that happened?

- Smarter

[nomnomnom]

I just don't know anymore.
Shrug.

[skitter30]

um so you're just not going to respond to any of that ?

[nomnomnom]

All of this is happening because I ain't 100% sure about Allo anymore and I was sure about him, and I'm having second doubts and I just can't see the fucking scum in this game.
It must be in skitt/eve/molla honestly, I just don't see it anywhere... I can't just see who the hell is scum here according to this gamestate.
I'm just confused is all, those walls earlier got me lost and I didn't advance in my own reads further than eve and allo and aaaaaaaaaaa
pedit: nah, I don't have the mental space for it and I'm seriously confused about this game and this is going to lead for my lynch anyway so if this is where it's leading I might as well just form solid reads so they can be semi-trusted when I go down at least

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Eve
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

[skitter30]

ok
we don't have to make a whole thing but i also don't think i'm going to be unvoting you really

[nomnomnom]

What about Karnage?

[skitter30]

he's not doing looking that great either rn

[nomnomnom]

See the thing is, this kind of post just makes me feel ill at ease.
I just can't find a way to trust you sometimes it's kind of crazy, but maybe you're just scum.
How do you feel about Eve joining my wagon?

[skitter30]

ok, why does it make you feel ill at ease ?
i thought her vote was fine, your preceding posts were bad and i almost voting you for them too

[nomnomnom]

I don't know it feels like your jump on me is kind of opportunistic and honestly with our game history at this point I imagine you should come to the conclusion that my confusion about this gamestate is genuine.
Like, think about this for a second: as scum I just come across as more "I am 100% always doing this" and I would probably have always stayed on Allo, and you know this because this is how I acted in several scum games with you before, why would I purposefully make a few posts explaining I am confused, especially when I know this is the kind of posts that will bring me heat? The only reason I am typing this is because I am genuinely lost.
I'd actually rather solidify on a wagon right now, or if I am the lynch today making sure I get solid last thoughts and possibly reorganize that wagon so scum doesn't get on it.
Where I'm getting at is: I'm someone who's very good at seeming town when I am scum and we both know I wouldn't purposefully make this kind of post as scum. It's a tonal thing.

[skitter30]

i kinda think you're fully capable of putting out these sorts of posts as scum, and then telling me that i shouldn't be scumreading you for them
like you pulled the same 'there's no way i would be doing this as scum' thing in the micro

[nomnomnom]

Okay but here I had a very easy way as scum not to get scumread and literally everyone in this game thought I was conftown for it.
There's no reason for me as scum to say I am confused here.

[nomnomnom]

I may do some weird things as scum but I sure am not making a series of post that will get me scumread after getting read as town by literally all the table lol

[skitter30]

but the things you're pushign me for are just like ... bad?
i don't get how you actually believe some of the things you've posted about me in the past few pages

[nomnomnom]

I am paranoid of you should be the root of all of it.
I don't wanna go Karnage... what's your read on bbmolla?