icemanE wrote:@ armlx -
I like this plan:
It seems to be the best way to utilize the daykill roles. I would probably take the SB role if that's what the town wanted me to do - but just out of curiosity, how would you go about forcing me to take the SB role - I'd have a choice between the SB role or whatever his target's role was, according to the mod.armlx wrote: We should SB lynch someone else, force Iceman to take the SB and use him to SB lynch someone else, and then actual lynch. We trade 1 essentiall random death (the first SB) for 4 lynches.
Which is it?icemanE, bold mine wrote:Yeah, I can see exactly what you mean with this - but personally, I don't think it's worthI'd like to point out that town would actually want to be the Suicide Bomber more than scum. If an SB is scum, then they're pretty much screwed to die at some point... If they don't use their kill in lylo, then they'll be lynched without a thought.a guaranteed loss of a towniefor the chance of killing scum. Making the same mistake twice, yikes, it's too risky to have two SB's as far as I'm concerned.
Because we cant trust him. I don't like the idea of him being able to take out any townie he pleases either.Alabaska J wrote:I really think lynching icemanE is not a good idea. If we think he is scummy enough to kill him, why not have him kill himself?
While I'm opposed to the six death plan, if we do agree to it, I'm ok with this.Alabaska J wrote:Also, if we go by armlx's six death plan, the random SB should be armlx just in case he is scum trying to manipulate the town in this case. That's just my opinion, though.
You said you didn't want the most powerful role because you would be immediately NKed.icemanE wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "power hungry". I'm not trying to take over the world - I've even stated that I DON'T want the most 'powerful' role in the game, that being the Suicide Bomber. I'd like to say that my role is potentially one of the most powerful in the game already, since we can essentially clone whichever role we want, or, if we mislynch, at the very least we won't be losing that person's role power.
The SB is not a random kill, my point is the SB killing themself is effectively random.Also, if we go by armlx's six death plan, the random SB should be armlx just in case he is scum trying to manipulate the town in this case. That's just my opinion, though.
I thought that too, but you also say " I don't think it's worth a guaranteed loss of a townie for the chance of killing scum. Making the same mistake twice, yikes, it's too risky to have two SB's as far as I'm concerned." The 'same mistake twice' implies that you know Crazy is town too.icemanE wrote:When I said "guaranteed loss of a townie" I wasn't talking about Crazy, I was talking about ME if I wound up with the SB role.
It could have convicted Crazy is my point. Honestly, I think it would have been a long shot, but answering questions not directed to you does not make you look less suspicious.Alabaska J wrote:charter, I have a bad habit of answering other people questions if I know the answer and the question is obviously not placed to draw out needed content/to scumhunt with the answer.
I won't have a problem voting wolf if we find out he vigs the wrong person. Doubt others will either. Actually, it would be idiotic for him to dayvig anyone but who the town votes on, because we would lynch him and who he refused to kill (aka scumbuddy).Empking wrote:Dayvig: IcemanE
I think IcemanE might be a good kill for today for the reasons stated by others but I think an unblockable dayvig whose target is hidden from us until we lynch is too powerful to be alive just incase he's scum.
why are you still on that? You're trying to kill him just based on his role. We're not supposed to be doing that. Has he done anything scummy, emp? Because that would make a better argument than "oh, he's a poisoner,Empking wrote:Dayvig: IcemanE
I think IcemanE might be a good kill for today for the reasons stated by others but I think an unblockable dayvig whose target is hidden from us until we lynch is too powerful to be alive just incase he's scum.
You're reading too far into what I write. And nhat is misreading what I write.charter wrote: The 'same mistake twice' implies that you know Crazy is town too.
I think I'd rather use my bomb later, when more information is around, rather than today, unless if we can find two mega-scummy people today.
If we don't want Iceman to have my ability, then I could just wait until tomorrow to suicide bomb someone.
Note: Those those last two quotes are the entirety of the posts they come from - so on two seperate occasions, he's popped in SOLELY to say "I'll save my bomb for later". I really wish Alabaska had not answered my question for Crazy in Crazy's place, as it would have increased my suspicion of Crazy, but since Alabaska stepped in for him,Good enough. I endorse a poisoning today, and I'll save my suicide bomb for tomorrow.
This post leads me to think that he's purpousely mislead the town in order to stay alive and since we're not at lynch or loose it seems to me to be a scum like move.wolframnhart wrote:So you would vote me, out of the other dayvigs? Kinda random there since there are worse potential killers.Empking wrote:Vote: wolframnhart
I really don't like the idea of a dayvig who might be scum.
On the other hand, I do quite like the "kill a lot on day 1" plan though six deaths on day 1 would be a bit too much, four seems a bit much.
I think the "kill a good role so I can take it" was more of a moment of idiocy rather than a scum tell but I'm not sure if it was a town moment or scum moment.
You act like a target we agree upon for the poisoner is necessarily going to be scum.icemanE wrote:I'm going through possible strategies - it seems like, with all these power roles at our disposal, there ought to be some better way of dealing with the scum than simply lynching them. Right now the poisoner is looking like the most useful of the lot - it won't cost us a potential townie life to get an extra kill in today. I think we should save the SB for tomorrow and utilize our poisoner today on a target we agree upon. I also don't think we should clone the suicide bomb - if anything, as I said before, we should make sure that the first person we kill has a role we DO want two of. Almost all the roles are useful, but I think it's dangerous to have two suicide bombs, myself.iceman Slipped up with his "Kill someone and give me their power!" post, and has spent the rest of this time trying to sweep that under the carpet.
First you stated that you did not want to be SB because it was the most powerful role in the game. (Which I heartily disagreed with anyways.)icemanE wrote:Yeah, I can see exactly what you mean with this - but personally, I don't think it's worth a guaranteed loss of a townie for the chance of killing scum. Making the same mistake twice, yikes, it's too risky to have two SB's as far as I'm concerned.I'd like to point out that town would actually want to be the Suicide Bomber more than scum. If an SB is scum, then they're pretty much screwed to die at some point... If they don't use their kill in lylo, then they'll be lynched without a thought.
Why are people acting like someone we agree to kill is necessarily scum?Alabaska J wrote:If the SB refuses to kill someone, then we have two scum and we win. I could live with that.
If he kills elsewhere, then it is a one-for-one trade, another thing I can live with.
Also, if we wait for the SB, a mis-bomb is even worse than it is now, and could give the scum a victory if bomber and target are town.
I really think lynching icemanE is not a good idea. If we think he is scummy enough to kill him, why not have him kill himself?
Also, if we go by armlx's six death plan, the random SB should be armlx just in case he is scum trying to manipulate the town in this case. That's just my opinion, though.
Wait, WHAT?Empking wrote:This post leads me to think that he's purpousely mislead the town in order to stay alive and since we're not at lynch or loose it seems to me to be a scum like move.wolframnhart wrote:So you would vote me, out of the other dayvigs? Kinda random there since there are worse potential killers.Empking wrote:Vote: wolframnhart
I really don't like the idea of a dayvig who might be scum.
On the other hand, I do quite like the "kill a lot on day 1" plan though six deaths on day 1 would be a bit too much, four seems a bit much.
I think the "kill a good role so I can take it" was more of a moment of idiocy rather than a scum tell but I'm not sure if it was a town moment or scum moment.
No. Try again.Empking wrote:This post leads me to think that he's purpousely mislead the town in order to stay alive and since we're not at lynch or loose it seems to me to be a scum like move.wolframnhart wrote:So you would vote me, out of the other dayvigs? Kinda random there since there are worse potential killers.Empking wrote:Vote: wolframnhart
I really don't like the idea of a dayvig who might be scum.
On the other hand, I do quite like the "kill a lot on day 1" plan though six deaths on day 1 would be a bit too much, four seems a bit much.
I think the "kill a good role so I can take it" was more of a moment of idiocy rather than a scum tell but I'm not sure if it was a town moment or scum moment.
Besides the fact that saving the SB ability for later is a good idea, even if the SB is scum, this post seems massively like track covering, especially at the end.icemanE wrote:You're reading too far into what I write. And nhat is misreading what I write.charter wrote: The 'same mistake twice' implies that you know Crazy is town too.
I wish you would have let Crazy answer the question, Alabaska, and I truly hate when people answer questions for others, as it more or less destroys the entire purpose behind the exercise.
My intent behind asking Crazy if he'd be willing to suicide right now if we all voted and asked him to do so was because of what we've been discussing all day long - that is, it's more worth it for a town SB to sacrifice himself than it is for scum to, since there are fewer scum than town, etc. I wanted to see how he'd respond to the question, because every time he adresses using his power, he seems eager to delay using it:
I think I'd rather use my bomb later, when more information is around, rather than today, unless if we can find two mega-scummy people today.If we don't want Iceman to have my ability, then I could just wait until tomorrow to suicide bomb someone.Note: Those those last two quotes are the entirety of the posts they come from - so on two seperate occasions, he's popped in SOLELY to say "I'll save my bomb for later". I really wish Alabaska had not answered my question for Crazy in Crazy's place, as it would have increased my suspicion of Crazy, but since Alabaska stepped in for him,Good enough. I endorse a poisoning today, and I'll save my suicide bomb for tomorrow.
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