Well, I'm back and over 2 pages. Wow guys, 1 day out and BOOM we've got some craziness here.
I'll be goin to bed after this, long day with the nephews, but I'll try to give my two cents on whats going on.
(BTW, ready for a noob question? How do you quote someone specific for future reference?)
It seems to me that compiling a list like this will only help the scum (either yourself or others) determine who the easiest town target is to push for a mislynch (or, at the very least, the hardest target - to stay away from). Maybe you and Fire aren't scum, but you and someone else are... now you see a couple players think Fire is town so you won't go after him because you think it's unlikely he'll be mislynched.
First off, I asked everyone who they would vote for as well - trying to pull as much data out of this so we can come to a concensus. Was that scummy of me?
This is just the other side, who is the one person you think is likely to be town.
This isn't us pushing a vote, this isn't us trying to shape and mold the minds of the town - it is just data. If, when its all done Adel lays down her case and people just start voting I would be seriously irritated. Discussion is going to be the key because we can't afford to make any sense.
SpyreX and Fire have been listed twice (and me once, but you left that off)... if both (or either) are scum then this list is going to be detrimental to scum hunting because people will see they are "most thought of to be town" and look elsewhere...
And the people listing ANY of us could be scum or be wrong, that IS a given. This data in and of itself is a discussion tool. All information is beneficial to the town when parsed directly.
Shy Guy, I'm glad you're in and your one post already is well above and beyond your replacement.. but I hate the fact you're here on lylo.
We're going to need a LOT of discussion because a read on you is going to be important to this whole process as well (I'll get to why later in the post).
Well, I disagree that speculating is a bad idea because when you do it the point is to figure out what the scum might be doing, and once you figure out what they are doing you can figure out how to stop them.
We can speculate ourselves into not doing the right thing or into doing nothing though. Everything in moderation.
For example, I suspect that you might be scum and trying to set us up for a mislynch somehow with this "list", so I speculated about it so that others can think about it instead of follow it blindly into a possible trap.
See, its quotes like these that are why I think you are the most town right now. YES, bring it up because we shouldn't fall blindly into a trap - but, it is still potentially a very useful tool to have when all the data is there.
Spyrex has stated that Zeek is likely townie, but if this "clears" Zeek, does it also clear his partner, whome I consider to be more scummy than Zeek, hence clearing the love pair?
BTW, Spyrex is the lover from your pair who has recieved the votes for "clearance" as you put it, so no, you dont have as much "pro town karma" as you think...
I do not know Adels plan specifically, but regardless I like it for just this reason: I say Zeek is the single
person
I find townie but, in every damn group this game, there's at least one player who's play I can find scummy. Tomorrow, if you want, I can give a quick breakdown on that whole thing (but I will wait if it will derail what my partner is trying to do).
That's OMGUS like hell Adel. While Firestarter's post left me uneasy, your post doesn't make me feel any better. Explain. You don't have to reveal your pro town choice like he's demanding, but honestly, votes without reasoning aren't good play. (Also, I think if you clear Spyrex, you as such clear Adel, and she does have a point with her attempt. I want to see where it goes.
She can't set up a mislynch if we pay attention)
Exactly! Please, everyone, pay attention to this. Information is good. It always is.
Well, this is difficult. If you were alone, Adel, I'd be voting you in a heartbeat. But you are with Spyrex, who's been pretty pro town so far...good mindfuck :S. Unfortunately, since I do believe Spyrex is town, I'm kinda in the let's see where this goes before I decide what to do next mood. I guess continue...but let it be noted that you have made my view of your pairing a bit tarnished.
That's every damn group this game.
I understand your feelings and, honestly, if I did not know my partners alignment I would understand your hesitation as well.
You just want to have a look at the list, work out some scheme, come up with a name that fits your scheme (as your choice) and then somehow set someone up as being the (mis)lynch. And since you only need 2/6 of us to vote with you (since surely your 3 scumbuddies will be right there saying "oh yeah, that's a great plan! let' do it!", you figure there will be two idiot townies that go along with you.
I do not understand moving on the attack like this. I am not pushing for votes and I do not think my partner is well. This is information, that's all.
Also, I dont understand the "idiot townies" bit: providing information isn't bad - however, I would be very, very suspect of anyone who just blindly voted based on it, whatever it is. There CAN NOT be bandwagoning at this point if we're going to win. It has to be a matter of discussion.
Heck, you and your partner just conspired to hammered a townie on Day 1 and now you expect us to just "trust you" with whatever you are concocting today without giving us any explanation at all?
What kind of conspiracy was there? Adel took her vote off, asked me to do the same and said she would vote back with me when I put it on. I announced, well ahead of time I would be putting my vote back on a specific day. No one on that wagon moved and, if you think we are scum which is what you've been eluding to that means that at MINIMUM four townies sat there with their votes on before we hammered. Not moving the votes knowing a hammer was coming is, implicitly, agreeing with the lynch. It can be a conspiracy if its laid out to everyone exactly what is going to happen.
And your whole "Chelsea clears Gimbo thing" - you keep bringing that up as such a "great idea" but do we all forget that you admitted to Nameless that it technically wouldn't even have cleared Gimbo if we did it?
For this to be a "great idea" you have to assume two things at the beginning:
1.) Adel said she was going to vote when I did.
2.) I was going to drop my vote (which at this point is two votes) and hammer if necessary at the time I said I would.
With those things in mind:
1.) Only one group did not have at least one member voting Gimbo.
2.) The hammer was, in fact, poised.
If Gimbo was scum, his partner could not possibly vote for him in some kind of gambit - the hammer was too looming for that to be a real avenue. In fact, they had to somehow remove a vote.
There was only one group NOT voting for Gimbo, Chelsea and Chenshi. Therefore, they could really only be the potential scum partner.
Hence, to test Gimbo, lynching the only group not voting for him would have been a valid choice. Of course it would not have totally cleared him but everyone else had voted and to keep their votes on like that would have taken iron-hard guts. So, the lynch of them would have, for all intents and purposes, cleared Gimbo and given us a better position on today.
Also, as an aside, I made my standpoint on the Gimbo issue very clear: his gambit left only two options. Believe him to be town and not lynch him or remove the gambit and lynch him day 1. A Gimbo Day 2 lynch was never a real possibility. I did not want to take the chance with this setup the way it is because yes, although risky, if they were scum and didn't lose off the bat the chances of success became much higher.
But, honestly, after this last post I dont know what to make of you at all Zeek. This really seemed like attacking for the sake of attacking and bringing up the Gimbo issue was, from very early on, going to be a huge flag on Day 2 for me.
I want to see the fruits of Adels work before ANY kind of wagon gets moving in any direction. We still have a good shot at this (far better than 50-50 in my opinion) if we use all the information at hand and move from there.
Night all.
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