I don't technically "use" it, it gets used without my knowledge, but I'm pretty sure that it hasn't been used yet, or I'd most likely be dead right now.Skruffs wrote:hasdfgh: Have you used your item yet? Was it useful?
Day 5, Votecount 7 wrote:2 TheSweatpantsNinja (Mizzy, Y)
2 Y (TheSweatpantsNinja, Skruffs)
2 Unvote (hasdgfas, Tiger Twins)
6 alive; 4 to lynch.
Deadline progress wrote:6/4 - Tiger Twins, TheSweatpantsNinja, Y, Mizzy,Skruffs, hasdgfas
7 hours and 17 minutes until the next block.
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He still received an item, though, regardless of it's usefullness.Mizzy wrote:Skruffs, do you ever pay attention? Yosarian corrected himself and said he actually could NOT use the item to clear himself.
I don't think the chain letter was crafted by an inventor because it's not an invention. I also don't think that wolfsbane was crafted by an inventor because it's not an invention, either.
I don't believe Moonshine exists.
And did you ever think that maybe Yosarian could make more than 1 item per night? We don't know what his role entails. We can barely even speculate.
Wait...why would Yosarian say anything other than "I got an item" if he was trying toSkruffs wrote:He still received an item, though, regardless of it's usefullness.Mizzy wrote:Skruffs, do you ever pay attention? Yosarian corrected himself and said he actually could NOT use the item to clear himself.
I don't think the chain letter was crafted by an inventor because it's not an invention. I also don't think that wolfsbane was crafted by an inventor because it's not an invention, either.
I don't believe Moonshine exists.
And did you ever think that maybe Yosarian could make more than 1 item per night? We don't know what his role entails. We can barely even speculate.
Removing all of Eldarad's claimed items as scum's lies, you still have at LEAST five items. TSPN is partially being strung up for having 'too much info' as to wether or not eldarad received an item; part of the reason that you are voting him is because you think that he 'knew' eldarad received an item and that he 'knew' that eldarad was reacting as scum would if scum had received that item.
Correct?
To now say that you do not think that eldarad even had an item means that TSPN's "knowledge" scum tell is in fact a null tell based off his own speculation, and not based on knowledge, because there was no 'knowledge' of those items to pick up on.
See? I am paying attention.
I'm not resigned, so much as I have very little to say about myself, since the majority of the case of me is based on what a dead guy had to say about the guy i replaced (ok, i exaggerate, but the only person attacking me based on my play is mizzy, and her case on me still doesn't make any sense).skruffs wrote: TSPN: You think a lynch is good for town, but you seem resigned to being lynched yourself. What's your deal?
I didn't feel too hesitant about it yesterday. While you were busy waffling, I was busy actually attacking scum.mizzy wrote: Just because I don't think the item existed doesn't mean that I can't find TSPN's reaction to the item/item claim/item claim results after the fact scummy. I feel like TSPN is feeling hesitant about attacking a scumbuddy's potentially-fake item claim.
This is completely incorrect. My pseudo-suspicion is based on how you would rather be right than to let someone else make a decision for you. You have strong faith in your own gut, so relying on someone else's is out of hte ordinary for you.Guardian wrote:Skruffs, you seem to be basing your pseudo-suspicion of me based on the notion I'd rather brag at the end of the game rather than lynch correctly. Honestly... piss off.
Does this mean that you feel that we have an idea of what is going on? Because honestly until we lynched eldarad, I had no clue what the scum were, or even if there were any.In both Ork and especially in Big Love, no one else had any idea of what was going on. I replaced out of BL because half the people were playing like idiots, and in Ork I led the only lynch of scum until we lynched the last scum because we had a guilty on them/innocent on everyone else.
No, I didn't say you were overdefending. I was suggesting that the way you defended implied that you gave credence to my suspicions. Bascially saying "Well I do that as town too!" (as I interpretted it) is subconciously agreeing that I am right about you doing that as scum.And as for 'giving credence to your suspicion'... you'renottrying to pull the 'scummy for overdefending' card are you? Because we all know that's a load of whooey. What was I meant to do -- blissfully ignore you?
If a mafia-inventor is lynched, there might be cause to think that some of the items were sent out with the intentions of misleading town. Think abo uit this way; if wolsbane was intentionally given to me by an inventor, the inventor had to know I Would target either Y or Zindaras with it, because I was most at odds with both of them (and mizzy to a smaller extent) through the first three days of the game. I was against Zindaras from his first post, where he did exactly what he did in Dantes In Fresno, start a wagon on e then quasi defend me. So if the inventor who gave it to me was town, they wanted me to potentiallly vig someone, which means that they did not think that Y or Zindaras were scum (the most likely targets to be vigged by giving it to me). (If they were scum and knew the item was false or bad, they would know that me using it would partially 'clear' zindaras/you.Also, Skruffs, if you did receive wolfsbane and it was actually useless, how might you possibly come to find that out, short of Ether PM-ing you and telling you it was so?
What I Do like is how you are deflecting attention away from Y right now.Where's this all coming from Skruffs, and what's the point? It seems like you are pulling it out of thin air... and you yourself cleared me as not scum..
This is not a very logical assumption. If Yosarian2 was an inventor who could make and use his own items, why would he give them out to other players at all? How would he have 'gotten it back'? Why do you think he would claim to have received an item as a pro-town player? If he was an inventor and was potentially sending information about items he received (Which could make him a threat) why would he draw attention to himself by saying it? Why wouldn't he just say something like "This is the only item I received, it sounds like the items are useless, blahblahblah" to detract attention away from himself?Wait...why would Yosarian say anything other than "I got an item" if he was trying to hide being the Inventor? He very well could have made the item himself and kept it, or he could have sent it out and randomly gotten it back. And he ONLY said he "got" one in the Chain Letter which cannot be confirmed as truth one way or another. When he mentioned it in thread he only mentioned having it; not how he got it. So that whole point is null.
Just because I don't think the item existed doesn't mean that I can't find TSPN's reaction to the item/item claim/item claim results after the fact scummy. I feel like TSPN is feeling hesitant about attacking a scumbuddy's potentially-fake item claim.
I would rather be right than X, X being anything else. I think Yos2 made a lot of sense, and I think listening to him gives me a great chance at being right. Not to mention my gut is telling me you and Mizzy are town.Skruffs wrote:This is completely incorrect. My pseudo-suspicion is based on how you would rather be right than to let someone else make a decision for you. You have strong faith in your own gut, so relying on someone else's is out of hte ordinary for you.Guardian wrote:Skruffs, you seem to be basing your pseudo-suspicion of me based on the notion I'd rather brag at the end of the game rather than lynch correctly. Honestly... piss off.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves... lol. I thought and still think Yosarian2 had an idea of what was going on. Like I said, him being town and eldarad being scum gives more credence to this.Skruffs wrote:Does this mean that you feel that we have an idea of what is going on? Because honestly until we lynched eldarad, I had no clue what the scum were, or even if there were any.In both Ork and especially in Big Love, no one else had any idea of what was going on. I replaced out of BL because half the people were playing like idiots, and in Ork I led the only lynch of scum until we lynched the last scum because we had a guilty on them/innocent on everyone else.
Well I try and play the same was as town and scum, so maybe your arguments are null tells. In any case, I don't see why you see me saying "as town too" rather than "as town also", other than your desire to see it that way.Skruffs wrote:No, I didn't say you were overdefending. I was suggesting that the way you defended implied that you gave credence to my suspicions. Bascially saying "Well I do that as town too!" (as I interpretted it) is subconciously agreeing that I am right about you doing that as scum.And as for 'giving credence to your suspicion'... you'renottrying to pull the 'scummy for overdefending' card are you? Because we all know that's a load of whooey. What was I meant to do -- blissfully ignore you?
How would you ever know that they gave it to you as opposed to Yosarian2?Skruffs wrote:If a mafia-inventor is lynched, there might be cause to think that some of the items were sent out with the intentions of misleading town. Think abo uit this way; if wolsbane was intentionally given to me by an inventor, the inventor had to know I Would target either Y or Zindaras with it, because I was most at odds with both of them (and mizzy to a smaller extent) through the first three days of the game. I was against Zindaras from his first post, where he did exactly what he did in Dantes In Fresno, start a wagon on e then quasi defend me. So if the inventor who gave it to me was town, they wanted me to potentiallly vig someone, which means that they did not think that Y or Zindaras were scum (the most likely targets to be vigged by giving it to me). (If they were scum and knew the item was false or bad, they would know that me using it would partially 'clear' zindaras/you.Also, Skruffs, if you did receive wolfsbane and it was actually useless, how might you possibly come to find that out, short of Ether PM-ing you and telling you it was so?
What makes you say that?What I Do like is how you are deflecting attention away from Y right now.Skruffs wrote:Where's this all coming from Skruffs, and what's the point? It seems like you are pulling it out of thin air... and you yourself cleared me as not scum..
Were you at three votes? I know Mizzy was voting you, which means that two townies would also have to be voting you for a second 'scum' to hammer for the win.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:My case on Y is based on scumminess, his attitude toward eldarad particularly, and my case on mizzy is based (mostly) on numbers.
That is, Mizzy is almost definitely scum, because if it was Y and hasdfgas, or, I suppose, Y and you, or some other increasingly less likely combination, you could hammer, even with four to lynch. I think Y is more likely scum with mizzy than hasdfgas. . . and now considering that Y also has two votes, that also pretty well knocks out a mizzy-hasdfgas combination.
So I'm down for lynching either of them, but Y seems to be the more lynchable player today.
Don't forget to include yourself, dear. You know your role, but we don't. So there is at least one scum in [Y, TSPN, Guardian, Mizzy] and I feel the scumpair is TSNP and Y. Would still prefer a TSPN lynch first because seriously, two bad hammers? If he survives to win this, he needs a SM badge of honor for being drop dead scummy with no repercussions.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Mizzy and guardian were. So if the two scum were not mizzy and guardian, they would be able to hammer.
Thanks for that. I'll keep playing from my perspective.mizzy wrote: Don't forget to include yourself, dear. You know your role, but we don't.
A hammer is always the most scrutinized vote on a lynch because it is the deciding factor. It wasn't that Andy hammered, it wasTheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Regarding the hammers, even though I didn't make them. . . is it specifically worse to hammer than any other vote on the wagon? If so, why? If not, well, skruffs, yosarian, and Y were on both of those wagons also. So I think "drop dead scummy" is a bit of a stretch.
But should it be the most scrutinized vote? Is it more scummy to lead a bandwagon on a townie or to finish it?mizzy wrote: A hammer is always the most scrutinized vote on a lynch because it is the deciding factor.
Probably not, but maybe.TSPN wrote: Anyway, guardian, I'm going to make a similar proposal to you that I did to hasdfgas: The consensus seems to be that Y is scum with either me or mizzy. If Y were to come up scum, after I spent all day going after him, while mizzy went after me, after yesterday immediately going after eldarad, while mizzy hemmed and hawed over the hammer, might that change your opinion a little?
Now is not the time to discuss mafia theory...this doesn't help the game at all right now. It's a commonly held belief; good luck changing that.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:But should it be the most scrutinized vote? Is it more scummy to lead a bandwagon on a townie or to finish it?
Whew, WIFOM at its finest. Scum frequently sacrifice one another in the endgame in order to make one of them look townie enough to survive for the win. So one could say that my hesitancy to hammer was because I'm his scumbuddy, but why would I hesitate if it would make me look more townie toTheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Anyway, guardian, I'm going to make a similar proposal to you that I did to hasdfgas: The consensus seems to be that Y is scum with either me or mizzy. If Y were to come up scum, after I spent all day going after him, while mizzy went after me, after yesterday immediately going after eldarad, while mizzy hemmed and hawed over the hammer, might that change your opinion a little?