God, I thought walls of text were hard to read. The bold makes my eyes shift all over.
I'm gonna bounce around, but:
He is stressing it so much I am starting to wonder if he already knows Darla is scum, and he wants to setup a case for tomorrow on SpyreX in advance.
This is what I expect. That is why, ultimately, I said if DBE is scum (like she will be) he's next.
Never ask for this. No matter what your role is, no matter what it is you do, never ever direct the doc in any setup. Let any possible doc(s?) choose who they want to protect by themselves.
Fair enough.
Also, Poker, are you thinking what I am in response to DBE's warnings about her post restriction versus the number of posts she has without the PR? I have to assume thats why you asked and, of course, they dont add up.
Mirth,
First off, I'm not sold on you being scum (like I am DBE and Luigi if DBE is). I posted WHY I feel like you're being scummy.
But, since you took the time to respond point by point, I will gladly respond (believe it or not I'll give you the point on most of the things I said).
62. Says she's not going to believe my claim right away.
Sooooo I'm suspicious for not believing you right away? how is this a good reason?
Of course its not because you didn't believe ME. That, implicitly, means that you DO believe DBE's claim (else it would be I dont know who to believe, or I don't believe either of them, etc).
64. Says almost all her posts have the French AND its too obvious a role to fake (says its too iconic) It is.
If scum is going to fake claim, theyre going to claim something not immediately recognizable by everyone.
Possibly. However, part of this isn't the issue of the fake claim - it is you're giving credence again to DBE telling the truth and me being the liar or there being 2 taunters. Considering how this is going, it bothers me.
66. Asks what if we're both scum. Makes the statement: One dead as scum confirms the other.
This is conjecture. Why do you find this suspicious?
I misread this (I blame Luigi). I read it as one dead as scum confirms the other (as scum)
2.) Although I agree, Mirth has pushed and pushed for Ironman's claim. There's been a fixation there.
I think he's the single scummiest person here. Darla is primarily scummy because you counterclaimed her, he is scummy of his own accord.
You see nothing scummy in DBE's play aside from me counterclaiming her? I'm not arguing the IM point (his play has been atrocious) but I've said that DBE has had some scummy behavior most of this game.
67. Mentions we dont know if the scum have safeclaims (obviously)
Not obviously since you kept saying you know cum don't have fake claims
My obviously was supposed to be on the fact we dont know.
Obviously we dont, only they would.
86. Suggests its good of Darla modkills herself and the day doesn't end.
It is. Darla dies, we save a lynch, and can use that lynch on someone else. Like Iron Man.
This one I'm not going to budge on. Asking to have someone modkill themselves is never a good idea. On top of it, I honestly feel it is very scummy behavior:
I feel the following statements are very true:
1.) Scum are, individually, more important for the scum's success than townies are because there are fewer of them.
2.) Scum are, definitely, going to want to obfuscate and keep information hidden from the town.
3.) Scum are not going to help the town.
Therefore, in requesting for a player to modkill themselves:
1.) They have to be willing to sacrifice themselves to help the town.
Thus, ultimately, only a townie will actively modkill themselves. Scum have no reason to give the town an extra lynch between cycles.
So, in asking for a modkill, you are presenting a situation where only a townie will do it. Also, it doesn't serve as a decent gambit because there are many reasons why a townie wouldn't do it as well. Modkills, ultimately, benefit the scum.
90. Suggests if its a fakeclaim why not go for one better known. Again, out of context.
If Darla is a Jester trying to get herself killed and not scum trying to survive, she'd need to go for something that is really really really obvious. While French Taunter is far more iconic than something like Mr. Hilter, he's no where near as iconic as Dead Parrot Guy.
On a fundamental level, you've said both sides of the same coin. If a role is to iconic for scum to claim, it is iconic enough for a jester to claim. I dont see a difference here.
4.) Really, hasn't built a case.
On whom do you wish me to build a case? I think I've been pretty clear in my Iron Man hate. I do not see lynching him as smarter than lynching Darla.
I dont CARE who you build a case on. I just like having the cases. Hell, it could be on me, but the points and logical conclusions that lead you to it is very important to have. I know your stance on Ironman and you've said it in some places, but a point by point never hurts. (because maybe we see different things, or different takes, etc).
h.) Suggests I'm lyncher - again, pushing for a lynch on me tomorrow?
Yes, I suggested this. Just like you suggested Darla is a Jester. Both of these are far fetched and ridiculous. Even though you are clearly twisting my words around, I don't actually want you lynched tomorrow unless Darla comes up town.
Honestly, I dont think Lyncher OR Jester are as rediculous flavorwise in MP as other things and, to me, DBE's play considering I do not believe there to be two taunters it would make sense. But, this latter part clears up some confusion (as I've said before).
Ok, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the fact both LG and Mirth have ignored what, to me, feels like the Razor in this case bothers me. The fact that both have said, outright, if I am right then I am scum and should be lynched, really bothers me.
Again, I DID NOT SAY THIS. I said one dead scum confirms the other. As town. Learn to read.
The AS TOWN was not there. I accept I made a mistake but "learn to read" sure doesn't do anything at all. Your original statement, obviously, could be construed both ways.
However, that was a big part of my WTF, so with that cleared up I am much less suspicious. You are saying what the obvious Razor is and I am fine with that.
So, with that misconception out of the way not everything was building a OMG scum case, most were just key points in your posting either way. I posted it partially to get some clarifications and I got it.
So, yep, I can read. Nope, I sure wasn't trying to pull you out of context. Notice I didn't even vote for you - but those things struck me as odd so I addressed them. Thank you for clearing a lot of them up.
