Mini 572 - Packrats (game over)

[Ether]

2 TheSweatpantsNinja (Mizzy, Tiger Twins)
1 Y (TheSweatpantsNinja)

3 Unvote (hasdgfas, Skruffs, Y)

6 alive; 4 to lynch.

2/4 - Tiger Twins, hasdgfas

10 hours and 51 minutes until the block ends.

[Mizzy]

I will be on V/LoA for today and tomorrow. Sorry, emergency came up! Will hopefully be able to post but I can't guarantee.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Post.

[Skruffs]

Hey hey hey.

[Y]

Sorry for not posting. Had a really busy weekend.

[Y]

I believe a new block has began.

[Guardian]

Man this day has been so productive once we entered deadline blocks.

It is almost like we aren't just wasting time.

[/sarcasm]

[Mizzy]

Well, I had hoped SOMETHING would be different by the time I was able to post. Guys, please get off your butts and do something before we get a no-lynch? Biding your time = pro-scum.

[Y]

It looks like we're getting to close to ending the day with a no-lynch, so I'll

vote TSPN

, although I don't really like the idea of voting just for the sake of preventing a no-lynch.

[hasdgfas]

I really haven't seen a good defense from TSN. He just seems to be attacking Mizzy without extremely good reasons.

[Mizzy]

I don't mind being attacked when I do something scummy...if I'm being a liability to town, I really want it pointed out. But it really bothers me a lot to be called scum without reason or evidence...and it's happened a lot lately. There's been a couple games I was in where I just HAD to be scum based on someone's set-up and role speculation or gut feelings...when I wasn't. Cost us the town win in at least one game, too.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

I really haven't seen a good defense from TSN. He just seems to be attacking Mizzy without extremely good reasons.

What I am defending against? Mostly andy's hammers, it seems, which I can't really defend.

[Guardian]

post

[Skruffs]

Posting.
Not willing to possibly mislynch on the given options, I Would rather nolynch and see what the night brings.

Nobody has claimed any reasons for why there were no kills the other nights yet, which would potentially clear or damn a player.

[Guardian]

If you want a no lynch, why not vote no lynch?

[hasdgfas]

Posting.
Not willing to possibly mislynch on the given options, I Would rather nolynch and see what the night brings.

Do you think TSN is a mislynch? If so, why do you think that?

Could you explain how nolynch will help?

[Mizzy]

Mislynches and no-lynches both help scum. The only thing that hurts scum is lynching them.

Just my opinion.

[Skruffs]

We know there are two inventors. One of them has not been killed. Ergo, instead of potentially ending the game with a mislynch, we allow the surviving inventor to hand out one more item, if they have one, which could potentially help the town.

If I remember correctly, the case agaisnt TSPN was because:

A) Yos had the scum group pegged to eldarad-andy-y or eldarad-andy-hasd. Andy was the common factor which makes it more likely that he is scum than either Y or cow.

This is an incorrect assertion to make. I see nowhere where Yos had scum 'pinned down' to those two scenarios. I see posts where Yosarian2 attacked Y, and posted suspicion about Andy. I think that Y was much more interested in going after Y at this point than Andy. However, I think he wanted pressure on Andy to figure out why he acted so strangely towards Eldarad.

Also, Y's vote on TSPN is pretty much a "I don't think he's scum but I'd hate not to lynch" at lylo. It sounds to me like someone trying to get a mislynch.

No lynching does not end the game at this point, but mislynching probably does. Unless there's only one scum. And if there's only one scum, then the idea of lynching TSPN because he's in Yos's supposed three person group makes less sense.

Vote: Y

[Guardian]

hm.

unvote

I want to think about lynching Y.

[Mizzy]

Wait, so HOW do we know there are two inventors?

[Guardian]

post

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Post. (Sorry, I'm working 60 hours this week, not as much time for mafia as I'd like).

But yeah, I didn't have a lot of time to respond to hasdfgas. . . but the only attack on me has been mizzy's attempt to make something out of me thinking that eldarad wasn't making up the item. All the rest of the stuff is against andy, and I'm sorry that he hammered two townies, and I'm definitely sorry yos thought he was suspicious. . . but there's nothing for me to really defend against.

[Y]

We know there are two inventors. One of them has not been killed. Ergo, instead of potentially ending the game with a mislynch, we allow the surviving inventor to hand out one more item, if they have one, which could potentially help the town.

We know this because?

[Mizzy]

TSPN:

Yeah I'm not sure why they want a defense, persay, since most of the concrete scummy stuff was done by Andy. That you're just SOL for. But you have done some pretty scummy shit yourself, today. Saying you know I'm scum when don't know, attacking me like you did, that sort of thing. Your play today has in no way cleared you. THAT you can answer for.

[Skruffs]

Mizzy:
Yosarian2 said he had an item that could prove himself. I don't think inventors can target themselves.

Also, there are more items claimed to be in play than there are nights, which means two inventors have been distributing items.

For example, the claimed items are the Chainletter, which went:
("Heavens", Guardian, Yos2, not sent, Mizzy, Skruffs)
Moonshine
Wolfsbane
Mizzy's Nose Trumpet (Used in May)
Eldarad's census letter (which might have been a fake claim) which said there were 5 items not used
Cow's n1 item
Yosarian2's undisclosed item.
and the still as of yet unrevealed item that Yosarian2 sent out last night (at least).
Assuming that none of the revealed items were given out last night (because nobody has claimed to receive one last night) that means at least 7 items in four nights, which means a very high probability of there being 2 inventors. Any of the people lynched or Nk'd before I claimed to have "Scum-only-vigged" Zindy may also have had or used items but didn't get the chance to say so. For example, remember how Rotten Snitch was acting really strangely before he got lynched?

Yes I am Da Bomb

Andy - I'm still debating whether I should say anything at all.
Sarcasm is the best way to go when you are trying to be lynched.

Maybe Rotten Snitch had an item similar to a Super Saint, if he gets lynched he kills hte last person to vote him if he wants to or something.

The reason I support this theory is because Rotten SNitch claimed to be DA BOMB, and in his death scene we looted his pockets (before we knew about items) and found a watch, which Andycaca stepped on.

"Stupid salesman told me mine was unique," he grumbles as Skruffs goes through Rotten Snitch's pockets. But there's nothing of interest--just that ticking, ticking watch. Andycyca makes a point of stepping on it as you head for your homes.

So I think either he was an optional super-saint type of item, or maybe he even had the ability to blow himself up with someone else. It makes sense witht he way he was acting shortly before he got lynched. Andycaca was the last person to vote him though, and is the one who snapped his neck.

I received an item n1 as well, which means there were 2 given out that night somehow.

Andy never received an item.


I'm really not liking how Guardian is saying that we should lynch TSPN because Yos had it narrowed down to eldarad, TSPN, and one of Y, cow, when msot of the day yesterday Guardian was saying stuff like

Yeah, from my POV, either eldarad is scum, or Yos2, hasdgfas, Sweatpants, is the scum group.

HM.

Is Yos2, hasdgfas, Sweatpants such an unreasonable scum group???

Uh oh. :X

Could... o.O? I don't think so but...

and

Although, yos, what about say, any three of andy, Y, Skruffs, hasdgfas. Would that not be a possible group?

Skruffs and Y and hasd both seem pretty town to me though Razz.

It sucks because from what I have seen with GUardian as scum, he plays like this (I am thinking about the nightless game, open 19, specifically), and Zindaras was acting funny too. I'm the one who cleared them, though I'm wondering if one of the inventors. Not sure where to go with it but he seemed to be deliberately trying to push Yos away from eldarad, and trying to tie yos to TSPN and cow, but today he's pushing TSPN and Y over cow.... it just aggravates me.

hasdfgh: Have you used your item yet? Was it useful?

TSPN: You think a lynch is good for town, but you seem resigned to being lynched yourself. What's your deal?

Also:

Oh, oh, I understand completely.

Hasdfgas, this is why you need to vote for y. As mizzy just put it, either me and y are buddies, or me and you are buddies. If me and y are buddies, then the possible scumgroups are me and y, or mizzy and y. Y being the common denominator, so please vote for him. If I'm his scumbuddy, I won't miss him one bit.

Or of course, me and you are scum. But you know whether or not that's true.

TT, this goes out to you too, but as you don't know that me and hasdfgas aren't the scum, I have to rely on you deciding which scumgroup is more plausible.

What was the point of this post? I was sitting here thinking you were town until I ran over this.

TSPN's case on Mizzy is based ont he numbers of him not being lynched (I think it was forgotten that it takes 4 to lynch in a 6 player lylo situation with 2 scum fi that's the case) and because mizzy refused to hammer eldarad. He's also suspicious of Y for fossing eldarad but trying to deflect attention away from eldarad and onto yos. (I also was angry at Y and cow for trying to say that because eldarad had fake claimed, ti was likely that I had as well).

Y: Do you think the mafia no-killed, or that their kills were prevented?


All this being said, I know who the second inventor is. However, I don't know if it's likely that the second inventor is also town; an anti town inventor seems possible, especially with Eldarad (presumably inspection proof) claiming to have received two items, one which gives him information about the game and one which could have been used to 'clear' another player.


And, also good to know, is that there is not confirmed useful items in the game. IE, none ofhte items that have been used have given 'positive' results; the nose horn, the wolfsbane, the moonshine, none of them have actually received 'proof' of anything. The only letter that can be proved is a completely neutral item, the chain letter. Guardian never actually received it, Zindaras did, so his question about if it could have been sent twice in one night is forgiveable. The reason I am positing this is because of an earlier discussion abuot the wolfsbane; wolfsbane is used to repel wolves from places you want to protect a player from sleep. If we are all morons who don't know how to use the items we have (which is very possible in an Ether game), it amkes absolute sense that I would shove it in someone's nose to kill them rather than to put it on their doorstep.