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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:46 pm

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silence wrote:
strife220 wrote:Whether or not it's pro-town to direct the vig is becoming one of those 'my god take it to MD' topics.
I don't understand this (this is not the only post that includes this kind of complaints). The discussion about whether it is protown affects
- whether the vig will be directed in this game
- whether the directers/anti-directers have been trying to harm the town

If discussion about how this game should be played and has so far been played is forbidden, what IS ok to be posted? Claims, votes, that's it?
I felt that the argument is coming down to a matter of opinion. I call these 'noise' arguments because both scum and town are just going to state their own opinion over and over again, giving off no scum-tells and thus harming the Sig:Noise ratio of the game. The vig has heard the arguments and will ultimately make his own choice about who he is going to kill - excessive bickering isn't going to change his mind. Whether the directors/anti-directors have been trying to harm town is made as clear as it's going to be after their first post once their opinions are made clear.

Other 'noise' arguments (arguments that become distracting after the first few posts) include whether or not lynching lurkers is pro-town, whether or not policy lynches are acceptable, when no-lynching is a good move, whether or not lynch-all-liars is a good philosophy, and (new to the list) whether or not arguments such as those previously mentioned should be debated in-thread. Once the topic turns to restating opinions, conversation should be cut off and started in the MD forums after the game.

in summary: discussion about directing the vig is important for the first few comments, but after it starts taking up pages of posts, it becomes unhelpful and distracting.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:49 pm

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strife220 wrote: in summary: discussion about directing the vig is important for the first few comments, but after it starts taking up pages of posts, it becomes unhelpful and distracting.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:37 am

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bump
Come on, people, let's see some more posting.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:11 am

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Oh come on. Give it 24 hours,
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bump it!

But yeah, discussion here has really died down.
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:44 am

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Come on, it's the weekend, and also, my parents insisted on repainting my room Saturday and sorting my stuff Sunday. I'll write something proper tomorrow.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:02 pm

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StrangerCoug wrote:Oh come on. Give it 24 hours,
THEN
bump it!

But yeah, discussion here has really died down.
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:32 pm

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Vote Count 7


StrangerCoug - (5) {BlakAdder, The Fonz, forbiddanlight, JordanA24, Korts}

Korts - (3) {iamusername, armix, strife220}

silence - (2) {Sun Tzu, -TinVision-}

iamusername - (2) {roflcopter, Greasy Spot}

Vamparific - (1) {Iron Man}

Sun Tzu - (1) {Lowell}

Lowell - (1) {StrangerCoug}

Not Voting: {silence, Vamparific}.

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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:34 pm

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Unvote
because I obviously havent been paying enough attention to the game right now. I dont want to be replaced, but right now I'm a bit distracted with other things. I'll try to contribute more in the future.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:55 pm

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iron man i've been so lonely without you. hold me!

hey everyone, tinvision is looking scummy. discuss.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:01 pm

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roflcopter wrote:hey everyone, tinvision is looking scummy. discuss.
OK, I'll start by asking why you think so.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:59 am

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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:45 am

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Greasy Spot wrote:
The Fonz wrote:A rather more pertinent point, I think, is why Iam is suggesting a vigging, and not using his vote and tryin to convince people to wagon greasy.
Here, I'll answer this for you. He knows his argument against me won't hold water. He twisted what I said around and interpreted it into things I didn't say. When I didn't respond to some things he then twisted my no responses to mean whatever he wanted it to mean.

vote: iamausername
Can you give a specific example of something you've said, where you feel he has twisted it?

roflcopter wrote:so, guys, which of {armlx, blakadder, iamausername} are we lynching today, and which of them is getting vigged tonight? these are important questions, and i need the rest of the pro-town majority to help me answer them.
You know what you're doing. Now, stop it.

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silence wrote:
strife220 wrote:Whether or not it's pro-town to direct the vig is becoming one of those 'my god take it to MD' topics.
I don't understand this (this is not the only post that includes this kind of complaints). The discussion about whether it is protown affects
- whether the vig will be directed in this game
- whether the directers/anti-directers have been trying to harm the town

If discussion about how this game should be played and has so far been played is forbidden, what IS ok to be posted? Claims, votes, that's it?

Other 'noise' arguments (arguments that become distracting after the first few posts) include whether or not lynching lurkers is pro-town, whether or not policy lynches are acceptable... when no-lynching is a good move,
I have to disagree with this. Any attempt to lynch a lurker or no-lynch is likely to lead to these topics being discussed, and there are undeniably scenarios in which either is a good move.
StrangerCoug wrote:like confetti, which I don't think is helpful to town.
I'm trying to be as cautious as possible at this point, and voting Lowell just for speaking his mind about a power role, whether I like what he says or not, is making mountains out of molehills. [/quote]

Apart from 'trying to be cautious' is not in keeping with your earlier admitted bandwagon. Look, it's fairly simple: was Lowell your top suspect or not? If so, why wouldn't you vote him? HoS is stronger than FoS: I would only ever consider using it when i think i've found two scum, and only have one vote.

If Lowell wasn't your top suspect, why didn't you (pardon the French) stop dicking around, work out who was, and vote them?
StrangerCoug wrote: All right, I honestly don't know who's the scummier bandwagoner anymore—you or me. I know what I am and I'm already voting for you, but I'd like to make this loud and clear for everybody:
AAARGH! FFS, you don't run around, going 'tee hee, I'm so scummy!' You do something about it. Or die. You know, whichever.
silence wrote: If discussion about how this game should be played and has so far been played is forbidden, what IS ok to be posted? Claims, votes, that's it?
Strawman.

Rogueben wrote:Muerrto replaces Vamparific.
Dude, long time no see!
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:03 am

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1) I don't get the Korts wagon at all.

2)
unvote, vote strangercoug
. He has done NOTHING to make me feel like he's trying to be useful. Attacking me for bandwaggoning (as the first vote?) is just bizzaire.

3) I'd like to see the vig hit a complete lurker. Big games like this make it a little too easy for people to just wait out the first 2 days or so. Let's put the fear of god in them.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:12 am

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@Lowell. The wagon on me seems to boil down to SC trying hard to connect to me, as far as I see.

More votes on the SC wagon would be appropriate. He's still L-3.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:54 am

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The wagon on me seems to boil down to SC trying hard to connect to me, as far as I see.
That, shameless wagoning, role fishing with the vig issue, and more.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:36 am

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"shameless wagoning" hadn't been part of the case until now, interesting. And the vig issue is two-sided. And more.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:07 am

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Korts wrote:More votes on the SC wagon would be appropriate. He's still L-3.
Korts wrote:"shameless wagoning" hadn't been part of the case until now, interesting. And the vig issue is two-sided. And more.
You really had to make those two posts in close succession, didn't you?

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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:17 am

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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:19 am

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I'll need to reread. What do you mean with this?
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Korts wrote:More votes on the SC wagon would be appropriate. He's still L-3.
Korts wrote:"shameless wagoning" hadn't been part of the case until now, interesting. And the vig issue is two-sided. And more.
You really had to make those two posts in close succession, didn't you?
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:20 am

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well that clears up the nagging suspicion i had that armlx was the vig.

unvote, vote: armlx
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:37 am

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Korts wrote:
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I'll need to reread. What do you mean with this?
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Korts wrote:More votes on the SC wagon would be appropriate. He's still L-3.
Korts wrote:"shameless wagoning" hadn't been part of the case until now, interesting. And the vig issue is two-sided. And more.
You really had to make those two posts in close succession, didn't you?
If you did not mean to drive me to claim, then I understand, but I'm bringing those two up because that pretty much did it for me.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:39 am

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. Yay, a vig who kills for spite!!! The MOST useful role!
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:40 am

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Lowell wrote:
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. Yay, a vig who kills for spite!!! The MOST useful role!
Didn't you say earlier that the vig was useless?
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:41 am

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I did. Now you know why.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:43 am

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Lowell wrote:I did. Now you know why.
So was #471 sarcasm or what?
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