Mini 579 - The Plagues of Egypt Mafia - Over

[HackerHuck]

I haven't gone back to look, but I don't think I even voted for him until after his claim.

[stark]

No, you're right Mr Stoofer. In regards to this particular incident, I did not read carefully enough. You did indeed unvote, but only because you were going to be out of contact. My mistake.

You're still scum.

xoxo
Stark

[lord_hur]

Mr Stoofer, your lack of combativeness surprises me. It is not at all in line with your previous play. There must quite a few things to say for your defense.

[HackerHuck]

Thought I'd bump this with all of the thread locking going on today.

I'm also getting buried in real life and may be a little less active for a while. Since this is my last game, I should be able to keep up.

[stark]

Hey comrades,

There's this cool game, and it's called Mafia.

You guys want to play?

We were playing a little while ago, and on last week's episode, we found out that Stoofer was scum.

Let's lynch him.

[hasdgfas]

stark: why is unvoting required if we don't believe a claim, no, matter whether they claim doc/cop/roleblocker/bus driver/whatever? I don't understand why you said people should unvote musher.

[lord_hur]

Hey comrades,

There's this cool game, and it's called Mafia.

You guys want to play?

We were playing a little while ago, and on last week's episode, we found out that Stoofer was scum.

Let's lynch him.

I's rather not vote until Mr Stoofer presents his defense.

[stark]

stark: why is unvoting required if we don't believe a claim, no, matter whether they claim doc/cop/roleblocker/bus driver/whatever? I don't understand why you said people should unvote musher.

That argument is now done and buried, due to my mistake.


However, to redux:

Even if a claim was not believable, it is my opinion that in the case of a powerclaim, such as that of a doc, a window should not be left open to lynch the player who claimed power-role before the town can discuss and evaluate the matter.

I would love to see a Stoofer defense, LH.

[lord_hur]

I would love to see a Stoofer defense, LH.

Why would you be interested in his defense, if you are sure he's scum, as shows the post before ?

[stark]

I would love to see a Stoofer defense, LH.

Why would you be interested in his defense, if you are sure he's scum, as shows the post before ?

For two reasons

1. It would move the game along, as we are at more or less a stand-still

2. Even though I'm at 85-90% sure that Stoofer is scum, I don't believe in lynching people without having a chance to defend themselves.

[Mr Stoofer]

I would love to see a Stoofer defense, LH.

Defence to what? I have already rebutted all the points you have made against me.

[stark]

I would love to see a Stoofer defense, LH.

Defence to what? I have already rebutted all the points you have made against me.

Well, tell me why you're town?

What's the most pro-town thing you've done this game?

[Mr Stoofer]

I'm town becuase I'm town. What sort of a question is that?

I have done tons of pro-town things this game. I have kept the game moving by posting my thoughts and suspicions when others have been non-comittal (and that has had inevitable results -- i.e. as the most vocal player I come under suspicion) and I was also responsible for getting Guardian lynched. He would have got away with pretending to be a Cop, and then backing off his pretence, if it was not for me.

[lord_hur]

I was also responsible for getting Guardian lynched. He would have got away with pretending to be a Cop, and then backing off his pretence, if it was not for me.

What would be the point of scum pretending to be cop day 1 ? What do you think Guardian-scum's plan would have been ?

[lord_hur]

Also, do you see a reason for scum to pick SL over me ?

[Mr Stoofer]

I was also responsible for getting Guardian lynched. He would have got away with pretending to be a Cop, and then backing off his pretence, if it was not for me.

What would be the point of scum pretending to be cop day 1 ? What do you think Guardian-scum's plan would have been ?

It is standard play to set up a false claim at the beginning of day 1. In fact, in my last game before this one I was Scum and I laid "tells" that I was a cop from the beginning of day 1. Then when I had to claim later in the game, I poiinted to all the tells and said "look, I am obviously a cop because why else would I have said...". Guardian was just preparing the ground for the time when it came for him to make a claim.

Also, do you see a reason for scum to pick SL over me ?

I can think of lots of reasons. An obvious one is that Scum would kill the one who was suspicious of the Scum; an equally obvious one is to kill the one who was suspicious of a pro-Town player and use WIFOM to get that player lynched.

[lord_hur]

I was also responsible for getting Guardian lynched. He would have got away with pretending to be a Cop, and then backing off his pretence, if it was not for me.

What would be the point of scum pretending to be cop day 1 ? What do you think Guardian-scum's plan would have been ?

It is standard play to set up a false claim at the beginning of day 1. In fact, in my last game before this one I was Scum and I laid "tells" that I was a cop from the beginning of day 1. Then when I had to claim later in the game, I poiinted to all the tells and said "look, I am obviously a cop because why else would I have said...". Guardian was just preparing the ground for the time when it came for him to make a claim.

I have one big objection to this : in post 316, he essentially claimed miller, and that was before you uncovered him (in fact, that post triggered it). I can see no reason for scum to breadcrumb cop then claim miller (which is such a crappy claim) all of the sudden, when only one person noticed the crumbs and that person obviously thinks them to be genuine.

[lord_hur]

Also, do you see a reason for scum to pick SL over me ?

I can think of lots of reasons. An obvious one is that Scum would kill the one who was suspicious of the Scum; an equally obvious one is to kill the one who was suspicious of a pro-Town player and use WIFOM to get that player lynched.

Good answer.

Next one : do you see a reason for NKing one mason (and thus confirming the other) over NKing another townie ?

[HackerHuck]

I would say the more interesting question is why wait to kill one of the masons. It wasn't like Strife was considered a townie by most.

Lord_Hur - do you think we've already killed a scum or all of the dead "unknowns" townies?

[lord_hur]

Also Mr Stoofer, who do you think is scum and for what reason ?

PS : this is also true for all the others. Since you (nearly) all were wrong about Musher333 and me, could you post who your next suspects are ?

My own standing hasn't changed.

[Mr Stoofer]

I think lord_hur's call for everyone to post their suspects is a good idea. I've called for this before without success. I'd like everyone to post their top 2 suspects. I'll do this too, as the most vocal player in this game (by far) I want the rest of you to do it first (lord_hur, who is more or less confirmed Town, can go last). Then we can tabulate the results and see where we go from there.

[stark]

1. Mr Stoofer
2. Hascow.

[lord_hur]

I would say the more interesting question is why wait to kill one of the masons. It wasn't like Strife was considered a townie by most.

Lord_Hur - do you think we've already killed a scum or all of the dead "unknowns" townies?

1. In general, why would you, as scum, kill an unconfirmed mason over someone you didn't identify yet ? (actual question, I'm a newb when it comes to non-standard roles)

2. I'd say the chance that one of them is scum is about 10% (and that one would be Guardian).

[Mr Stoofer]

If falsely pretending to be a Cop isn't doesn't make you Scum in your eyes, then what the hell would? [Don't bother answering this, it's just that I am astonished by your last post.If you think that the chances of a player who pretends to be a Cop with a guilty result on an innocent player is only 10%, then I want to be Scum in the next game we play together.]

[stark]

Hey Stoofer,

Maybe I´m a little dense, but in reading through the thread, twice now, I failed to see where you got the fact that Guardian was implying that he was a cop.

If you could to me the great service of finding just one of these posts, I would be most grateful