Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Miss Lane]

Gobble, EP, shut up. Literally none of my play is consistent w/ Runelord.

I'm not evil because my play has been ridiculously consistent with my claim.

Who sticks their neck out on the line for SK when SK has been about to die?

I was a very major factor in lynching Titus (I very much opposed the town lynches there and bargained w/ FL for him to put his vote down)
I pushed Zoraster over the Worst
I was very much town read and gave up my town read to save Elements when Elements' neck was on the line because it had been figured out he wasn't a Vig.
I pushed very hard for Elements NOT to claim on the very early days when Elements decided to claim w/o me,
Elements' response to me slipping (claiming Death aligned instead of Cobble because I didn't adequately read the flavor) was not to try and push me, but instead ask "why are we not killing this?" Anyone paying attention would notice that's not what town who believes that someone is scum says, it's what a buddy asks so he doesn't have to pretend to push his other buddy.
Instead of just saying I'm Cobble aligned, I slipped and said I'm Death aligned.
I lose if I'm the last Runelord at 9 people and I lied the whole time.
Several members of the scum team iirc have definitely tried to push me very hard at multiple points in the game.
I have tried to save Elements multiple times throughout the game (which doesn't make sense unless I'm backup SK)

I could probably go on and on, this is all just off the top of my head, but seriously trying to push a believable argument off of this is kinda silly.

Like, you can paranoia a lot of shit, but I gave up a HARD TOWN READ from MULTIPLE SOURCES in order to claim SK and additionally in order to save Elements.

[Miss Lane]

If I'm runelord, I have repeatedly fucked both myself and my team for seemingly no reason whatsoever. Arguing that I am and trying to get me lynched before 9 people is the epitome of ignorance. If you're just simply unaware of how utterly over this game is for me if any of what I'm saying isn't true because the game started with 40 players and reached 500 pages, that's fine, I understand. I'm just saying that lynching me or Elements before that 9 players is stupid, as is trying to argue that I"m runelord.

[Miss Lane]

As custom, however, I'll point out that for some reason all the Runelords find a very good reason to push me right before they die, a50 included (and that for some reason seemingly confirms me as scum?).

VOTE: Gobble
I'll change my vote if needed.

[Pink Ball]

As always, I agree with EP. It's gobble and then ML, and if the game hasn't ended, we lynch xofelf ( unless Elements Elements doesn't leave the game).

VOTE: gobble

[EspressoPatronum]

@ML it's mechanical at this point. Everything you did in the past doesn't really matter.

Fwiw, you outed yourself in the beginning by not knowing what Cobble was. For all I know, you invented the whole death-aligned 3p story to buy time. But again, it doesn't really matter bcz you have to die next.

[EspressoPatronum]

The fire in the kill flavour also gives me pause. I think it's more likely that A50 used the bookie reward for that, but it's hard to deny a half-dragon having association with fire.

[EspressoPatronum]

I would also point to my tinfoil summoning theory. It's impossible to tell if your <10 wincon isn't actually an exclusive wincon.

[Miss Lane]

@ML it's mechanical at this point. Everything you did in the past doesn't really matter.

Fwiw, you outed yourself in the beginning by not knowing what Cobble was. For all I know, you invented the whole death-aligned 3p story to buy time. But again, it doesn't really matter bcz you have to die next.

There's a point to being aware that players are capable of anything, and then there's a point to recognizing that not only did I slip by claiming Death aligned instead of Cobble, but I put my life on the line to save the SK (who has repeatedly killed Runelords).

There's a point to being aware that players are capable of anything, and then there's a point to recognizing that none of my play wins me the game whatsoever if I'm runelord aligned in the slightest, and pretending the following post isn't justification for your argument that contradicts your original reason for why I should be lynched doesn't make it not so.

I would also point to my tinfoil summoning theory. It's impossible to tell if your <10 wincon isn't actually an exclusive wincon.

I think this point only goes to show that you not only don't believe your push on me as a runelord, but you additionally are likely to be one yourself (making up bullshit for why I should be lynched is something scum have repeatedly done before death. When I get back from work, I can point them all out for you, but either way, lynching me before <10p is straight dumb.

Additionally, I'm going to ignore PB's post, because it has shown the same amount of awareness and depth that most of the rest of his contributions to this game have.

[Miss Lane]

@ML it's mechanical at this point. Everything you did in the past doesn't really matter.

Fwiw, you outed yourself in the beginning by not knowing what Cobble was. For all I know, you invented the whole death-aligned 3p story to buy time. But again, it doesn't really matter bcz you have to die next.

There's a point to being aware that players are capable of anything, and then there's a point to recognizing that not only did I slip by claiming Death aligned instead of Cobble, but I put my life on the line to save the SK (who has repeatedly killed Runelords).

There's a point to being aware that players are capable of anything, and then there's a point to recognizing that none of my play wins me the game whatsoever if I'm runelord aligned in the slightest, and pretending the following post isn't justification for your argument that contradicts your original reason for why I should be lynched doesn't make it not so.

I would also point to my tinfoil summoning theory. It's impossible to tell if your <10 wincon isn't actually an exclusive wincon.

I think this point only goes to show that you not only don't believe your push on me as a runelord, but you additionally are likely to be one yourself (making up bullshit for why I should be lynched is something scum have repeatedly done before death. When I get back from work, I can point them all out for you, but either way, lynching me before <10p is straight dumb.

Additionally, I'm going to ignore PB's post, because it has shown the same amount of awareness and depth that most of the rest of his contributions to this game have.

[Miss Lane]

Just going to point out that lynching me next means that Elements won't leave regardless of whether or not you believe my claim.

[EspressoPatronum]

I think this point only goes to show that you not only don't believe your push on me as a runelord, but you additionally are likely to be one yourself (making up bullshit for why I should be lynched is something scum have repeatedly done before death. When I get back from work, I can point them all out for you, but either way, lynching me before <10p is straight dumb.

Since you apparently want to ignore the fact that I'm a mason with consistent mason behaviour with gobble and BB, you may also look to the flavour to see several confirmations of my role as a bookie. I can also point you to the dayvig on pisskop of you're so inclined.

None of that is even necessary to your rebut your post here though bcz corellation =/= causation. You are welcome to point all of those pushes out for me, but scums's use of them in the past does not make me scum now. None of them preclude town from making the same type of push.

[Untrod Tripod]

I don't know why you're arguing with a claimed 3rd party?

[EspressoPatronum]

I don't know why you're arguing with a claimed 3rd party?

Because I don't think she's a 3rd party.... and if she is, I'm concerned about the offchance of her <10 wincon being exclusive.

None of that changes the gobble lynch today though.

[Untrod Tripod]

why did I think she was the backup SK

[EspressoPatronum]

why did I think she was the backup SK

You're right there -- that's her 3p claim.

[Untrod Tripod]

I'm confused. Why would you want to leave the SK and backup SK alive right now? The cult isn't a threat. The recruiter is dead.

[Cephrir]

because supposedly they go away on their own if we kill 2 more people

[Pink Ball]

ML's behavior towards his flavor yesterday was ridiculous. "I'm not a dragon. Oh wait I'm half dragon my b".

Let's quicklynch gobble and ML and if the game keeps going we solve it like champs. Even if ML is third party I'm ok with him not winning, this game has turned nightless long ago so lynching him is neutral to our wincon. Don't lose time discussing until both gobble and ML are dead.

[Pink Ball]

And if Elements doesn't leave because we lynched ML, then we lynch him too. Seriously, no need to negotiate with anti town

[Pine]

I'm confused. Why would you want to leave the SK and backup SK alive right now? The cult isn't a threat. The recruiter is dead.

I mean...this is a fair point. I’m more or less convinced that my xofelf paranoia was just that - paranoia.

I don’t think we can risk the possibility of an exclusive 3P (fourth party?) win. Sorry ML

VOTE: Miss Lynch

[EspressoPatronum]

ML's behavior towards his flavor yesterday was ridiculous. "I'm not a dragon. Oh wait I'm half dragon my b".

Let's quicklynch gobble and ML and if the game keeps going we solve it like champs. Even if ML is third party I'm ok with him not winning,

this game has turned nightless long ago so lynching him is neutral to our wincon

. Don't lose time discussing until both gobble and ML are dead.

This is a good point. Might as well pivot onto ML today and get rid of the 3p threat.

I'm confused. Why would you want to leave the SK and backup SK alive right now? The cult isn't a threat. The recruiter is dead.

I mean...this is a fair point. I’m more or less convinced that my xofelf paranoia was just that - paranoia.

I don’t think we can risk the possibility of an exclusive 3P (fourth party?) win. Sorry ML

VOTE: Miss Lynch

Good call. The greedy part of me wants to kill gobble for the sweet sweet bookie power, but the safe side of me says we should kill ML just in case.

VOTE: ML

[Pink Ball]

No

[Pink Ball]

It's gobble first just in case the cult still has chances. Don't pivot to ML.

[Pink Ball]

ML tomorrow, he can't win tomorrow with so many alive, that would be stupid.

[Cephrir]

This is a bad move. If ML's win condition is exclusive, that is just poor modding and I don't care if I lose to it.