Open 83 - Polygamist Mafia (Game over!) before 628

[eldarad]

Vote Count

Gimbo (6) -

Harvey Pew, forbiddanlight, KNIGHT42, Firestarter, Nameless, ZeekLTK

Forbiddanlight (1) -

chenhsi

Adel (1) -

Gimbo

chenhsi (1) -

somestrangeflea

KNIGHT42 (1) -

Adel

Not voting (2) -

Chelseafan, SpyreX

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

ZeekLTK replaces MafiaSSK. Thanks for replacing in!

[Firestarter]

To answer the queries above....

I did not list my group for obvious reason.... and I did not list Adel's group, because if Gimbo's group are scum, which I believe to be at this point, then Adel's group could not possibly be, the exchanges between them up to a point would be a completely stupid thing to do if both were scum. All it takes is 1 hit & they are all gone.

At this point, and looking back to posts asking for the Chelseafan/Chenhsi group to place a vote, they have not done so far, I think that this group are the remaining 2 scum.

^ of course I know, but if I tell you right now "I AM TOWN, I AM TOWN, I AM TOWN!", would you believe me?? ....Exactly

You have created so much confusion with your claim, that if you are allowed to live through D1, and D2 occurs, and if your town, youve created a no-win situ for town.

@Adel/Spyrex...
I would very much like to hear either/both your takes on the situation we are in at present.
1. If Gimbo/SSF are not to be lynched, what are your alternatives?
2. If there are alternatives, what are your reasons?

@K42
1. Are you also prepared to vote for your partner at some time during this game?
2. You still haven't answered Adels question...?!?!

@Chenhsi/Chelseafan..
Answers to the previous questions from Spyrex/Adel are required from both of you.

[Gimbo]

Zeek: you mentioned that in mini 353 (?) , a scum tried to pull the 'lynch so-and-so' and if i'm wrong, kill me tomorrow' thing, well I just want to say that every game is different and you can't really base your opinions of this one on a previous one given the different circumstances.

With that said, I do agree that it's a somewhat faulty and risky statement but you have to take in the context; at that point in the game, i was so sure that Adel/SpyreX were scum, the statement was said to get people to pay more attention to my case on them.

With that said, I just want to note here that Knight/forbid aren't on Adel's suspicion list and Adel's vote for Knight seems like a bussing vote. Given the fact that forbid has climbed my scumdar as explained in one of the post back, I am getting suspicious here....

[Nameless]

Nameless, context is the king. I said not to hammer me because once the lynch is put through, Day 1 ends. I want to get in as much Day 1 discussion as possible before the day ends.

Obviously, but that's an excuse ANYONE can use and you at least posted that you expected to be lynched, so this isn't something that's come out of nowhere. The bandwagon against you built up slowly. Conversely, you change your mind about being lynched very quickly.

Also, you point to an 'overreaction' from me which confuses me. So are you saying that because a player wants the day to last longer, he/she must then be scum?

I'm not sure what I said that you're referring to here. You seem to be putting words in my mouth.

Now I know (I really do) that this sounds terribly WIFOM and like I'm just trying to save my own skin, but you know what, take it with a grain of salt then, its up to you to form your own opinion.

Lampshading scumtells against yourself doesn't make them any less valid, you know.

- I don't like forbiddanlight's post 189. It sounds to me like the scum trying to reign in their newbie member, and I don't like the absolute statement "You claimed scum, so you need to be lynched.". If Gimbo is somehow town, I'd be looking fairly hard at these two.

Ok, so we should let either a liar, or someone who admits to being scum live?

What the heck? I voted for Gimbo, and asked for him lynched shortly. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore what could well be slips from other mafia. And I really think lovers mindlessly voting together is a bad thing, for reasons already stated early.

Nameless, if RIGHT NOW, the hammer went through and Gimbo flipped town, who would you go after?

I'd probably start by reading/analysing each player one by one, actually, but right now I'm thinking Knight/Forbid.

Let's look at the logic of "if [Player Name] is town".

-If Gimbo is town: he wants us to lynch a townie and then lynch ANOTHER townie (himself) - how does this help us at all?

Um, NO. I could see a town player making a statement like that because they were certain that '[Player Name]' is mafia, and thus don't believe they need to worry about what would happen if they were wrong. That's a sign of overconfidence, but not really a scumtell.

-Gimbo claims scum... (wtf??)

Yes ... That was everybody's initial reaction.

Oh and ...

Hey, Mod!

The vote count is incorrect. My vote is currently on Gimbo.

[eldarad]

Vote count on post 250 has been fixed

[Chelseafan]

@Chelseafan: are you willing to lynch Gimbo?

I am willing to lynch him, but he wouldn't be my first choice.

[forbiddanlight]

First, that analysis is so damn biased I'm not even going to account for it until I have more time to point out every fallacy in it. Secondly

With that said, I just want to note here that Knight/forbid aren't on Adel's suspicion list and Adel's vote for Knight seems like a bussing vote. Given the fact that forbid has climbed my scumdar as explained in one of the post back, I am getting suspicious here....

Um...a bussing vote for knight...waaaait a second here. One mafia dies, all of them die. There's no point in bussing in this game, obviously. I REALLY think you are trying to push a mislynch here...but that kinda makes no sense, because if you die and are scum, there's no D2, and if you die and are town, why push a mislynch? I really don't know what's going through your head.

[Harvey Pew]

Harvey Pew... for some reason I’m leaning scum on this guy. Not a lot why, call it “gut” if you want

Well, I'm convinced, the scum-detecting prowess of the ascending colon is irrefutable. I will just mention that I have played/replaced in three mafia games so far and been lynched in

every

one and been town in

every

one

and

correctly voted scum in two out of three - a fine record, I think.

[Gimbo]

First, that analysis is so damn biased I'm not even going to account for it until I have more time to point out every fallacy in it. Secondly

With that said, I just want to note here that Knight/forbid aren't on Adel's suspicion list and Adel's vote for Knight seems like a bussing vote. Given the fact that forbid has climbed my scumdar as explained in one of the post back, I am getting suspicious here....

Um...a bussing vote for knight...waaaait a second here. One mafia dies, all of them die. There's no point in bussing in this game, obviously. I REALLY think you are trying to push a mislynch here...but that kinda makes no sense, because if you die and are scum, there's no D2, and if you die and are town, why push a mislynch? I really don't know what's going through your head.

Well, the tide against me is so strong that throwing a bussing vote Knight's way for future uses isn't such a bad idea.

Forbid - you are talking like everyone knows you are town when it is obviously not true. I sense anger,

FoS:forbiddanlight

for what it's worth

[Adel]

@Chelseafan: are you willing to lynch Gimbo?

I am willing to lynch him, but he wouldn't be my first choice.

Why are you willing to lynch him if 4 other pairs of players are also willing to lynch him?

[Chelseafan]

@Chelseafan: are you willing to lynch Gimbo?

I am willing to lynch him, but he wouldn't be my first choice.

Why are you willing to lynch him if 4 other pairs of players are also willing to lynch him?

Actually, you're right that'd be idiotic.
Since there are 4 pairs on the wagon I guess that means either
a) Gimbo is scum and evryone came to a rather quick agreement about that and since me and chenhsi aren't voting we're the remaining 2 scum.
b) Gimbo/SSF are scum and their lovers are pulling a risky gambit by jumping on the bandwagon
c) Gimbo is innocent and the scum are on the bandwagon.

Now looking at the 3 possibilties, I know a is not right.
B is very very risky as an eager townie may hammer thus losing the game for the scum.
That , I guess leaves C, which by my logic( faulty as it may be) would mean Gimbo and SSF are town?
I dunno I really haven't given this game enough attention. My answer to your original question was kind of stupid looking back.

[Adel]

It kind of sold me on you being scum with Gimbo.

[Chelseafan]

Oh, ok well what happens if Gimbo flips town?
I mean if he's scum well and good, we win but that's unlikely now considering what you pointed out?

[Adel]

I see your point.

unvote, vote:Chelseafan

I can see Chelseafan being scum without Ginbo being scum, but I can't see Gimbo being scum without Chelseafan also being scum.

[Chelseafan]

Well..I suppose you at least saw my point.

Your above posts means that if I'm lynched and flip town you'll consider Gimbo pretty much cleared then I take it?

[Harvey Pew]

I don't think the chances are that we have managed to correctly identify both scum pairs on D1. Gimbo's play is lunacy, but as a gambit? I'm not sure. Also my vote was a page 1 random thing and I'd like to re-read a little and think about it. So:

Unvote

[Chelseafan]

You kept a day 1 random vote this late when he was at L-1?

[Chelseafan]

He being Gimbo.

[Harvey Pew]

^ Well after his initial gambits and the rush of anti-Gimbo sentiment, why not? Also due to my time zone/schedule I seem miss out on most of the action e.g. the rush down to L-1. Now he is at that point I suggest a momentary reprieve. Gimbo's play just seems too risky for the scum to try... although if he doesn't get lynched

and

is scum it would be a tremendous coup.

[Chelseafan]

Know what ya mean about the timezone
But it wasn't really random then? It started out like that but you then felt he was most likely scum?

[forbiddanlight]

^ Well after his initial gambits and the rush of anti-Gimbo sentiment, why not? Also due to my time zone/schedule I seem miss out on most of the action e.g. the rush down to L-1. Now he is at that point I suggest a momentary reprieve. Gimbo's play just seems too risky for the scum to try... although if he doesn't get lynched and is scum it would be a tremendous coup.

This is the WIFOM he was talking about. However, I agree that rushing to the hammer is a bad idea. L-2 is unsafe with lover pairs...sooo...not that I think Gimbo is any less scummy, but to prevent opportunism...*sighs*

unvote

. If the town decides a Gimbo lynch is the best move, I am perfectly willing to revote him. I also notice the point on Chelsea, and am unsure whether I agree with it. OH YEAH! I promised to point out some fallacies, didn't I! Let's do that now.

-forbidden votes for Gimbo for the WIFOM (several pages/discussions AFTER Gimbo had claimed scum...), tells us to "LAL"...

Realize I didn't get to post who my love was til about Page 6, and revised my opinion of the gambit page 7. This is the start of painting me badly.

-For some reason forbidden seems to think Gimbo's plan (from his "I'm scum post" is actually a good plan) and says that since Knight (forbidden's lover) is voting differently then by lynching Gimbo he would be the odd man out, thus he unvotes for Gimbo...

Did I EVER say it was a good plan? If so, I regret that immensely. It has no use for the town. I do unvote since being the odd person on Gimbo would allow for scum opportunism to throw themselves on Gimbo on the INCREDIBLE offchance Gimbo is town.

-Then forbidden and Knight both agree to vote Gimbo and both do so...

This is more biased painting me black based on how you assessed my other actions.

I think that covers the most of it. Didn't think anyone would dissect your mega post, didja? I think I begin to understand why these posts are considered scummy in most instances, given how much bias appears to creep into them.

FoS:ZeekLTK

for a biased megapost intent on painting several targets black. (I think you hit a couple other people unfairly, but I know the most about my own actions more than anything). I still am relatively sold on the Gimbo case though.

[Gimbo]

forbid, my gut doesn't like you very much and i'm gonna try to get a case on you, wait for it.

[forbiddanlight]

forbid, my gut doesn't like you very much and i'm gonna try to get a case on you, wait for it.

Your gut needs to be checked then. But, then again, why should I worry about someone's gut when they have a case of the scums?

[Gimbo]

Forbiddanlight (post #s are her personal posts only)

#6 - agrees with Gimbo that mass-claiming is a good idea.

# 7 - 'completely' disagrees with Gimbo's plan. Claims Knight as lover saying that she'll 'catch hell from him' when I clearly recall Knight saying that HE is the one waiting for his partner to claim/not claim....These 2 don't seem sure that they are a couple.

#10 - Gimbo should get lynched regardless of alignment per LAL

#11 - says that she thought my plan was a good idea in post#6 because 'she was tired'

#12 - doesn't want to be the 'odd one out' on my wagon, thus she wants Knight to vote with her.

#14 - doesn't think that lovers should always agree, yet forces Knight to vote like her

#17 - again she doesn't like to be the odd one out because if I flip town, she'll get 'scrutinized' by town

#20 - believes that its unthinkable for scums to bus each other (in regard to my comment that Adel might be bussing Knight with that vote since she doesn't make a case on Knight but still votes Knight)

#21 - Unvotes Gimbo because everyone else is doing so...so you're going with the flow?

Thoughts: A recap of forbid reeks of scumminess. In addition, she doesn't like to be the odd one out, or the one being looked at and likes to go with the flow for some reason. During this game, she voted and unvoted me many times but as soon as the tides ebb and rise, she changes her vote to match the majority.

Forbid: please post your thoughts on my recap/thought of you in this game. No wifom/omgus/jokes/smileys necessary. Thanks.

Adel/SpyreX: what are your thoughts of Knight/forbid ?

[Gimbo]

why should I worry about someone's gut when they have a case of the scums?

I do not like this post ... at all