Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[armlx]

OH and I know what game you're talking about and it actually just adds to my meta to prove I'm town now. And if you're gonna try and use it against me, i'm gonna defend myself. Screw referencing on going games. If you can use an on going game against me i can defend myself against it. I freak out when I'm underattack for no reason. I was underattack then for no reason other than I was the only person left in a known group. It was pissing me off that I was gonna be lynched not because I had screwed up and exposed myself as scum, but because of how the game was set up and the roles were revealed left me as the only possible target. There were people that looked scummier than me that were not lynched because the games set up left me exposed.

if this gets me modkilled then i'll be pissed cause I've spoken about the entire situation in generalities and never mentioned what game it was nor any specifics of the game that couldn't be found out by reading the game.

Lol, you posted this in the wrong game.

[ZONEACE]

yeah i already noted it that in my last post, the one before yours. and now posted it in the right game. Im sure you'll find some way to use my posting it in the wrong game against me armlx, i have faith.

[Twomz]

Lol, at first I thought you were responding to my post and I was like... WTF?

[ZONEACE]

Not because we can't prove that your role is real, but because proving if the role is real requires either wasting a lynch, or wasting time. Claims that lead to wasting time or lynches = good scum fake claims, ie I am suspicious of them and do not trust them.

No, proving my role does not require wasting a lynch, I've said I will forego my attempts at my target til it lines up with the towns. ANd how is gaining a guaranteed vote in your favor a waste of time. If we get to a point where we've stopped having NKs then we can lynch my target and both the town and me win.

[stark]

Hey Zoneace, how many lynches do you have to get to win?

[ZONEACE]

1, as soon as I lynch my target, I win and leave the game.

[armlx]

I've said I will forego my attempts at my target til it lines up with the towns

I don't trust you not to have a potential exclusive win.

Seriously, Zoneace, you can't admit you don't realize killing claimed neutrals is correct play.

[ZONEACE]

when there are people besides the claimed neutrals that pose a greater threat, then yes i can admit i don't realize killing cliamed neutrals is the correct play.

[armlx]

when there are people besides the claimed neutrals that pose a greater threat, then yes i can admit i don't realize killing cliamed neutrals is the correct play.

You do realize the fact claimed neutrals aren't confirmed, and as such are in a worse position (of living) post-claim then even townies?

[ZONEACE]

Ok yes, i know that, so then i have to ask you, why the hell would I claim a neutral role in this situation unless i was in fact neutral. I stand nothing to gain if I'm lying since neutrals are generally hated by the town for some reason. I have agreed to help the town and yet you still rail against me.

[ZONEACE]

and yes i realize that last reason is wifom, but seriously, think about it.

[armlx]

why the hell would I claim a neutral role in this situation unless i was in fact neutral

I've ran the neutral claim as scum before, and given that every role in this game is pretty much assured non-vanilla, you would have to make up a good claim if you were town.

Also, reason ignored for being WIFOM, as you said.

[ZONEACE]

you've still not fiven a good reason as to why i would claim neutral in this situation. Its not a very good claim if I'm lying.

[armlx]

you've still not fiven a good reason as to why i would claim neutral in this situation. Its not a very good claim if I'm lying.

It is, as you are claiming something that can't really be countered or confirmed until you "win" while being believable withing the constraints of no vanillas (pretty much).

[ZONEACE]

but you admit yourself that if Im scum its not a good claim. I have NOTHING TO GAIN by making this claim if I'm scum.

[armlx]

but you admit yourself that if Im scum its not a good claim. I have NOTHING TO GAIN by making this claim if I'm scum.

How am I admitting its a bad false claim? The only reason it would be "bad" is because claiming neutral is such a good claim for scum and such a low loss for town to kill that a neutral claim = dead on sight. So basically your only argument that your claim is "bad" involves you admitting you are a good lynch.

[ZONEACE]

whatever, its clear you're never going to accept that I can help the town and are pretty much doing the scum's job for them i mean, at least make the scum kill me. Cause they can't win with me alive. why waste a lynch on someone the scum need dead in order to win?

No one else has to lose in order for me win. I am a non threat.

[armlx]

Zoneace, why would the scum ever kill you if you are neutral. To them you are confirmed as someone who might just push them to a majority if you have a town target late game.

[ZONEACE]

wtf, make sense please. Ive said I won't go after anyone not okd by the town. meaning if i have a town target and there are still scumm alive I WON'T TRY TO LYNCH THEM.

[Sir Tornado]

OH, THE HORROR!

ZONEACE needs to die tonight. I want to win this game. Not finish second behind a bloody lyncher. Please take him out Nocmen.

[ZONEACE]

HOW IS IS WINNING ALSO FINISHING SECOND???????????????? seriously have you all gone retarded?

[armlx]

Ive said I won't go after anyone not okd by the town.

Except the scenario could come up where doing so wins you the game.

Seriously, your promise holds no value with me. As neutral your goal is not to help the town win, only yourself, which very often conflict.

[Twomz]

But if it's 2 scum, 2 town and you, and the scum are both voting for your target (town) who are you going to vote for?

[ZONEACE]

Ive said I won't go after anyone not okd by the town.

Except the scenario could come up where doing so wins you the game.

Seriously, your promise holds no value with me. As neutral your goal is not to help the town win, only yourself, which very often conflict.

WHAT PART OF I WON'T ATTEMPT TO LYNCH MY TARGET UNLESS IT COINCIDES WITH THE TOWN'S TARGET CAN YOU NOT FULLY COMPREHEND??????? I REVEALED MY TARGET FOR TODAY IN MY FIRST POST OF THE DAY AND INTEND TO DO SO FORM HERE ON OUT. ITS NOT LIKE I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO HIDE THIS GUYS. I AM WILLING TO COOPERATE.

[ZONEACE]

But if it's 2 scum, 2 town and you, and the scum are both voting for your target (town) who are you going to vote for?

see the post I just made. I intend to make every attempt to win with the town. As you've seen from my play through the game so far I have not played against the town, why should i change that now? you guys are just looking for any reason to make a bad decision today aren't you?