Mini #618 - Farside of the moon - over!

[killa seven]

The only accusation that's been pushed against me is that I seem scummier than a duck, there is nothing to defend against except the, I don't know you, you don't know me, let's take things from there, I'm no master of Mafia seeing as the only other game I ever played was a Doctor Dethy where we (town) lost. Also the fact that I can't even vote without everything going haywire is stupid.

noob card nice.

[Gatekeeper]

Vote: Rogue

Why not, put a bit more pressure on him, maybe get something good to move on to the next person...

Vote does not count. See rule 3 which states:
3: If you wish to change your vote, bold an unvote before casting your new vote. For example, Unvote, Vote: ScummyPerson. If you do not unvote in this format, your vote will not be counted. You are currently voting Doktor

[killa seven]

how is putting him at -1 a pressure vote?
fos gk

[Gatekeeper]

Killa seven: Putting him at L-1 is a pressure as in one he is dead...with two votes its not that much pressure (atleast two me). While we have moved a L-1 to a whole different person (see the Doktor train swtich thing)

Meh..I forgot I was already voting....

Unvote: Doktor
Vote: Rogue

[farside22]

Things have slowed for the holiday. I few of you had some fireworks on display to celebrate the independence day on Earth.

vote count

Doktor Per 2 votes: (Light-Kun, , Rogue Shenanigans)
Rogue Shanigans 4 votes: (icemaneE, Doktor Per, Cephrir, Gatekeeper)

Not voting:
Greasy Spot
thinktank
Killa Seven

9 people means 5 votes for a lynch.

Deadline is July 14th 10:00pm PST

I will prod a few people tomorrow if I don't see some post today.

[farside22]

Prodding the following players Cephrir, Doktor Per, Greasy Spot, IcemanE, Light-Kun, Rogue Shanigans

[icemanE]

Fixed that for you, jerk. You are a violent, militant little guy, scummier than the moon.

Every vote I give will be read as scum tell, so I won't even bother.

This statement sucks. Please help us instead of just conceding over and over again Dok. The fact that you wig out so much under pressure is very suspicious. I still think we should lynch RS today but I feel like Dok would be a good person to look at again tomorrow, the more I think about it.

[farside22]

I have found out that Rogue Shenanigans is asking to be replaced in all games. Search for a replacement as we speak.

[Cephrir]

Prodded, waiting for Rsreplacement to claim.

[farside22]

Lord Gurgi replaces Rogue

[Lord Gurgi]

This is a weird situation to replace into. I'm a vanilla townie, all I can do is vote.

Now for my opinion:

I already reread. I don't think that DP is a good lynch, as he's too much of a wild card. Cephrir is my top suspicion.

RS wagon seems good to me. If nothing else, he could use a little pressure.

How quickly we forget the argument about the purpose of the vote.

Be absolutely convinced who you are voting for is scum. This talk about acceptable losses about lynching Dok even he's town seems unacceptable and the people pushing that argument, aka Gateway and IcemanE resonate suspicion (mention if I've forgotten anybody who I've forgotten to include in that argument )

QFT.

Also, I realise it's been said before, but:

Simulposted. I think it's safe to say it; StrangerCoug, claim or die.

The fact that we managed to move this wagon over is so awesome.

From these posts it seems that your are gunning for a lynch for the sake of a lynch, instead of finding scum.

This is true. I want to see DP's alignment before I reach a verdict on SC as well; he has coached DP on three seperate occasions and could very well be attempting to make this look like a bus now. I think this lynch is going to give us a ton of info, quite frankly; DP is pretty scummy and I don't see anyone else getting lynched today.

You never specified

why

you think DP is scum. Aside from a post saying he had committed various

unspecified

scum tells. If you could explain your reasoning, or account for pushing every lynch there has been so far. Why have you been on RS's, SC's, and DP's wagons with minimal explanation or sensible reasoning for any.

Unvote

as mentioned earlier I don't think DP is a good lynch today. I'll decide whether or not I want to vote him when he responds.

[Greasy Spot]

Nice post Lord Gurgi. Let me look into Cipher to see if I agree with you.

[Light-kun]

Prodded. I am now poking mod back saying, "Hey, I'm here!"

Okay, now then:

Brilliant guard Gurgi.

I still think DP is a good lynch. I always have, but I don't like the speed with which he was put a L-1. Now, as for Cephir:
He seemed to stick out now and then, but he never seemed like a serious scum possibility. However, I do like your reasoning that he is pushing for a lynch over scum hunt, and this intrigues me as to how he will respond. I will check back in a few hours to see.

[Doktor Per]

The reason I am not defending myself is because when I even bloody tried, it wound up with just putting more heat on me and making me "even scummier" which, is not good for town, given that I'm a vanilla on your side. Also, Gurgi, I totally bloody agree with you, and I have been trying to follow that mantra, sans my day one joke posts. I've seen how railroading people can give scums easy quick kills. Given the current head count, we should be extremely careful about what we do. You good sir, have moved my heart with your logic. If you are town, you are an invaluable asset. If you are scum, you are terrifying.

unvote

Going to reread the vote history real quick and make a table.

[Greasy Spot]

I don't see anything to make a Cephir lynch look good. But hey, I sucked on Day 1. I misread everything on Day 1 so I guess I will

vote: Doktor Per

[Cephrir]

This is a weird situation to replace into. I'm a vanilla townie, all I can do is vote.

Now for my opinion:

I already reread. I don't think that DP is a good lynch, as he's too much of a wild card. Cephrir is my top suspicion.

RS wagon seems good to me. If nothing else, he could use a little pressure.

How quickly we forget the argument about the purpose of the vote.

Be absolutely convinced who you are voting for is scum. This talk about acceptable losses about lynching Dok even he's town seems unacceptable and the people pushing that argument, aka Gateway and IcemanE resonate suspicion (mention if I've forgotten anybody who I've forgotten to include in that argument )

QFT.

Well, yeah, but as was later pointed out, voting for pressure can also be a good thing, and I agreed with that. I didn't think of pressure votes when thinktank made that argument.

Also, I realise it's been said before, but:

Simulposted. I think it's safe to say it; StrangerCoug, claim or die.

The fact that we managed to move this wagon over is so awesome.

From these posts it seems that your are gunning for a lynch for the sake of a lynch, instead of finding scum.

Um, no. I stated several times that I thought StrangerCoug was a better lynch. If I just wanted a lynch, I'd be happy with DP.

This is true. I want to see DP's alignment before I reach a verdict on SC as well; he has coached DP on three seperate occasions and could very well be attempting to make this look like a bus now. I think this lynch is going to give us a ton of info, quite frankly; DP is pretty scummy and I don't see anyone else getting lynched today.

You never specified

why

you think DP is scum. Aside from a post saying he had committed various

unspecified

scum tells. If you could explain your reasoning, or account for pushing every lynch there has been so far. Why have you been on RS's, SC's, and DP's wagons with minimal explanation or sensible reasoning for any.

If you can't find reasons for the DP wagon in this thread, you have issues. Just because I didn't state them doesn't mean anything. If everyone who wanted to vote someone had to come up with an original reason and wasn't allowed to agree with a case, nothing would ever happen. StrangerCoug I voted for because of his posts regarding the DP wagon, specifically the two OGML pointed out, and for what looked to me like coaching of/buddying up to DP before the wagon got too serious. RS I voted for because I was uneasy about his quick wagon vote and he had been lurking anyway. Pressuring lurkers is a good way to determine their alignment, since it's otherwise difficult. Y'know, force them to say something.

I want to know why everyone is sort of dismissing RS as a suspect just because he's been replaced. Seems to me that Lord Gurgi's posting of a sort-of case against me has caused the last few posters to ignore the RS wagon and want to go back after DP.

Brilliant guard Gurgi.

Is it just me, or does that sound like congratulating a scumbuddy? I'm not even saying I think it is neccessarily, but that's just weird.

[farside22]

Thinktank is supposed to be back today. If he doesn't post by tomorrow morning I will be looking for a replacement for him.

[thinktank]

Hi all. Sorry I've been gone for so long on vacation, just got back. Please allow me to do a read and I'll post thoughts a little later tonight.

[thinktank]

I'll go back to one of my earlier posts about how you should be sure of who you vote for and acceptable loses talks are quite unacceptable. Cephrir, it seems that one of the main reasons if not the main reason to lynch Dok is to find out more info. We've come to such a point in the game that on good days we can't afford such lynches however we can definitely not afford one on such a day. There are 2 killing roles, from the mod's flavour odds are there is an SK as well as scum (due to the goriness of one of the kills)

we can't afford another mis lynch.

This whole replacement thing thing with RD and lord gurgi is weird. I understand that gurgi may not be able to answer for his predecessor but the arguments can't just be forgotten and dismissed by his counterclaim either.


P.S If im not really making sense seriously tell me. Im really jet lagged....

[Light-kun]

No, that makes sense too.

@Cephir: I would NEVER say that if he were my scum buddy. I am just saying that it was a brilliant defense, though in mild sarcasm. We cannot forget that Rogue Shennanigans is suspicious, but so are you Cephir, which makes me think you are bringing up a side comment to blow it up, if anyone bites. However, you didn't vote me for it, which shows that you may just be bringing it up for future relevance. *shrugs* I will just leave it at that.

@Thinktank: You are making some sense. I looked back, and it specifically said: Shot and sliced. Now, the shot screams mafia/vig (but vig is the one shot.) The other screams something of serial killer, and since I am not going to say that I can think of another anti town role of similar signatures, I am going with sk.

@GS:

I don't see anything to make a Cephir lynch look good. But hey, I sucked on Day 1. I misread everything on Day 1 so I guess I will

vote: Doktor Per

Am I the only one who sees this as a cop out of day one activities, and an attempt to lynch someone else for yesterday activities? It seems kind of scummy and opportunistic. Jut a FoS here.

[Greasy Spot]

No cop out. Just acknowledging I sucked on Day 1. I led the town astray.

[Cephrir]

@Cephir: I would NEVER say that if he were my scum buddy. I am just saying that it was a brilliant defense, though in mild sarcasm. We cannot forget that Rogue Shennanigans is suspicious, but so are you Cephir, which makes me think you are bringing up a side comment to blow it up, if anyone bites. However, you didn't vote me for it, which shows that you may just be bringing it up for future relevance. *shrugs* I will just leave it at that.

Oh, sarcasm. Nevermind then. Also, stop reading everything I do as scummy when it could just as easily not be. I hate it when people do this. Sometimes someone just gets it in their head that X is scum, and then everything X does starts having an ulterior motive. So, yeah.

[farside22]

Prodding Gatekeeper and Killa Seven. Let me know if I missed anyone who hasn't posted in 3 days.

[Doktor Per]

Now, the shot screams mafia/vig (but vig is the one shot.) The other screams something of serial killer, and since I am not going to say that I can think of another anti town role of similar signatures, I am going with sk.

Either way, we'll most likely find out tonight there is no flavor text misleading?

[Lord Gurgi]

Cephrir, you specifically said you don't want anyone lynched other than DP, and also say that you need DP lynched before you could decide about SC. Then you proceeded to push the SC lynch.

Also, would you mind giving your definition of a 'quick wagon vote'?

[sarcasm]Separate from that I'm not sure how I moved everyone to the DP wagon by saying I don't think he's a good lynch[/sarcasm]