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Titus · Post Post #1017 (isolation #0) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:35 am

VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?

Titus · Post Post #1055 (isolation #1) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:54 am

In post 1051, Garmr wrote:
In post 1017, Titus wrote:
VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?
Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.

Why would my read make you conftown?

Titus · Post Post #1057 (isolation #2) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:19 am

In post 1056, Garmr wrote:
In post 1055, Titus wrote:
In post 1051, Garmr wrote:
In post 1017, Titus wrote:
VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?
Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.
Why would my read make you conftown?
Because you never read me right in the numerous games we played. Was waiting for you to vote me

You're wanting a rash impulse decision from a woman who is putting her life back together. Not going to happen.

Titus · Post Post #1060 (isolation #3) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:40 am

In post 1058, Garmr wrote:
In post 1057, Titus wrote:
In post 1056, Garmr wrote:
In post 1055, Titus wrote:
In post 1051, Garmr wrote:
In post 1017, Titus wrote:
VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?
Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.
Why would my read make you conftown?
Because you never read me right in the numerous games we played. Was waiting for you to vote me
You're wanting a rash impulse decision from
a woman who is putting her life back together
. Not going to happen.
Did something bad happen, are you ok?

Yeah and I will be. Mafia's a good distraction.

Titus · Post Post #1109 (isolation #4) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:15 pm

I want a vc..I need it to function here

Titus · Post Post #1168 (isolation #5) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:19 am

VOTE: Elements

Voting elements solely for 1161. I'm not in the mood to deal with people who spam until people crack. That's anti-town as fuck, and usually used by scum.

Titus · Post Post #1179 (isolation #6) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:39 am

In post 1173, Elements wrote:
In post 1171, Rick Dalton wrote:Don’t you wanna dance?
I have no problem with you at the current time. If you decide to take control of the town I will.

Why would a town read being in control of town be a problem? Depending on the nature of the game, some townies will be better leaders than others. For instance, I am 100% weaker in early game in mountainous but stronger in late game.

Titus · Post Post #1182 (isolation #7) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:51 am

In post 1180, Elements wrote:
In post 1179, Titus wrote:
In post 1173, Elements wrote:
In post 1171, Rick Dalton wrote:Don’t you wanna dance?
I have no problem with you at the current time. If you decide to take control of the town I will.
Why would a town read being in control of town be a problem? Depending on the nature of the game, some townies will be better leaders than others. For instance, I am 100% weaker in early game in mountainous but stronger in late game.
I don't like being controlled

Someone else being leader doesn't mean you're controlled though?

Titus · Post Post #1332 (isolation #8) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:36 pm

I'm ok with my elements vote still.

Titus · Post Post #1352 (isolation #9) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:59 am

@Gamma, Can you elaborate or was the masons thing a joke? If the masons thing is not a joke, do you have day chat? I understand if you don't want to answer but answering will help me analyze vote patterns.

Titus · Post Post #1475 (isolation #10) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:06 pm

VC please

I'll admit I haven't read anything. I was hoping to just VCA day 2. :/ Seems like the game has stalled though.

Titus · Post Post #1496 (isolation #11) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:56 pm

In post 1476, Gamma Emerald wrote:Titus vote Rick

Nah. I'm much more happy on Elements because of the resistance to him and his AtE when I was last reading.

Titus · Post Post #1582 (isolation #12) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:59 pm

In post 1577, Garmr wrote:I can't see scum motivation in pushing against masons. Rc did that in a previous game with me and we both flipped town.

I actually agree with Garmr. This isn't a point where scum would be desperate enough to do that.

Titus · Post Post #1596 (isolation #13) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:15 pm

In post 1594, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay, I'll drop the meta point now. I don't feel convinced by it completely but going on just feels like filling space. However I do want you to answer for your weak defending of Cliff Booth.

What are you implying? Cliff + Rick?

Titus · Post Post #1604 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:14 pm

In post 1599, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Hop is town and I think you + Cliff voting him together plus your early interactions were very probable scum+scum interaction
Like what is your whole logic for not wanting to lynch Cliff? As I see it the only things stated so far have been the group meme and not liking the wagon. Why is the wagon so bad?
Tbh should I know who Cliff is?

If you're testing if Cliff and Rick were partners, why deviate from Cliff?

Titus · Post Post #1607 (isolation #15) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:17 pm

In post 1606, Carcalilly wrote:you guys are both like stubborn dads that want to prove a point so they stick onto a ridiculous point and defend it past it's threshold

I can see that.

Can we get back to Elements now? I want to do some vote analysis.

Titus · Post Post #1610 (isolation #16) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:24 pm

In post 1609, Carcalilly wrote:
In post 1477, Carcalilly wrote: Elements(5): Hopkirk, Rick Dalton, Cliff Booth, Titus, Sharon Tate
Most bland vote is Tate's.
If I remember, Cliff and Kirk had one of those long quotation-base cases.

What do you find interesting, Titus?

Murder and full wagon analysis. Ask Garmr and Gamma, my G men. Lol.

Titus · Post Post #1615 (isolation #17) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:38 pm

In post 1611, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1604, Titus wrote:
In post 1599, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Hop is town and I think you + Cliff voting him together plus your early interactions were very probable scum+scum interaction
Like what is your whole logic for not wanting to lynch Cliff? As I see it the only things stated so far have been the group meme and not liking the wagon. Why is the wagon so bad?
Tbh should I know who Cliff is?
If you're testing if Cliff and Rick were partners, why deviate from Cliff?
Because Rick felt extremely lacking

So? Your premise still needed the larger wagon to be scum right?

Titus · Post Post #1619 (isolation #18) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:15 pm

In post 1617, Carcalilly wrote:Titus, where are you going with this? :S

Not sure. I'm trying to understand Gamma and his motivations.

@Gamma, Did I confuse you?

Titus · Post Post #1622 (isolation #19) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:48 pm

In post 1621, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1619, Titus wrote:
In post 1617, Carcalilly wrote:Titus, where are you going with this? :S
Not sure. I'm trying to understand Gamma and his motivations.

@Gamma, Did I confuse you?
Yeah, what larger wagon? Is that like a VCA point or?

Didn't Cliff have more votes on him when you changed to Rick? If so, why back off scum with an existing wagon to start a new one? If not, question withdrawn.

Titus · Post Post #1624 (isolation #20) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:51 pm

Ok, but why would diverting from one scum with a wagon pressure the other one?

Titus · Post Post #1629 (isolation #21) » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:17 am

In post 1625, Gamma Emerald wrote:I specifically wanted to pressure Rick personally

I'm just face palming here.

Diverting from Cliff (scum) onto Rick likely only pressures Rick if Rick is town. Otherwise, it dilutes town vote power and makes a counter easier to create.

Titus · Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:05 am

No leashes. You guys aren't bitches. I don't need another dog.

Titus · Post Post #1670 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:18 pm

I cc the porn star

I am a fruit detecting detective, I checked you night 0. You're a vendor, not an eater. Oh and I'm also an alien.

Titus · Post Post #1686 (isolation #24) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:03 am

VC please

I have been slacking here and I need vcs. I keep thinking D1 is about to end.

Titus · Post Post #1704 (isolation #25) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:53 pm

In post 1701, davesaz wrote:Is that still alive? At one point Mathblade was going to drop it.

I can ask him. He is my brother but let me check with the mod.

Can I ask my brother about this?

Titus · Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:26 am

Mod, there's two days until deadline. We need a VC urgently. Also can I talk to Mathblade about his VC counter offsite? He rarely checks MS atm.

Titus · Post Post #1720 (isolation #27) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:53 am

I want elements or Cliff atm.

A last second flash is near certain to hit town. Scum will lurk it out.

Titus · Post Post #1773 (isolation #28) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:34 am

Yeah I'm just not interested in a flash wagon on someone who disbelieved "crumbs" looking at his join date. This looks hella opportunistic.

VOTE: Cliff

Titus · Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:57 pm

VOTE: Elements

Looking forward to some nice VCA tmo.

Titus · Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:44 pm

VLA tmo afternoon at the earliest. Surgery.

Titus · Post Post #2043 (isolation #31) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:44 am

Garmr why claim? I get the feeling we're both town

but this seems odd.

Titus · Post Post #2046 (isolation #32) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:54 am

In post 2045, AaronFrost wrote:Good luck with your surgery Titus.

I'm gonna ISO Tchill before I decide to join that wagon. I just finished a game with him where he was scum and I want to look for similarities between that game and this one.

Why look for similarities? Do you already think he's scum?

@Garmr, Flattery gets you everywhere, but for doing questions.

Titus · Post Post #2048 (isolation #33) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:04 am

In post 2047, AaronFrost wrote:Because players on here tend to change their playstyle from game to game, so looking I feel like looking for differences won't be too helpful.

Actually players don't.

Titus · Post Post #2055 (isolation #34) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:45 am

In post 2053, davesaz wrote:PRs outing results unprompted, in particular revealing what roles are in the game (!!) is another head scratcher. Can voyeurs be scum?

Can be but if Garmr was scum, he'd probably share it in his PT.

This just seems to be one of those dumb things Garmr does.

Titus · Post Post #2062 (isolation #35) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:16 am

Why aren't you upset at me calling you dumb?

Titus · Post Post #2066 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:30 am

In post 2064, Garmr wrote:
In post 2062, Titus wrote:Why aren't you upset at me calling you dumb?
Because I imagine you saying it in your real voice.

What do you imagine my real voice as?

Titus · Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:04 pm

Surgery went fine. Docs recommend no attention to detail for 24 hours. Excuse sloppiness. Obviously no VCA until Friday minimum.

X-post all games.

Titus · Post Post #2130 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:34 pm

In post 2129, davesaz wrote:Titus, good to hear and yes rest for sure!

We had a bona fide tornado warning and funnel cloud sighting right in my neighborhood about 45 minutes ago, which makes 3 this week in southern AZ.
It broke up pretty fast and no effects at my house, but I had a nervous drive home.

Glad you're ok.

Titus · Post Post #2169 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:09 pm

I am ok. The surgery went well. I am calm as fuck but foggy because of pain meds. This may last up to a week. Thanks for patience. Not vla.

Titus · Post Post #2190 (isolation #40) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:42 pm

In post 2174, Carcalilly wrote:I either just caught a white lie or a mod error.

You should pm the mod in this case.

I swear y'all are noobs.

Titus · Post Post #2192 (isolation #41) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:47 pm

In post 2191, Carcalilly wrote:only compared to you almighty Titus

Thanks for the sarcasm but strategy is my thing. People reading, not so much.

If Garmr white lies, he protects you, making him probably town.

If it's mid error, we all should be informed and corrected b4 ppl rely on it.

Titus · Post Post #2194 (isolation #42) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:53 pm

In post 2193, Carcalilly wrote:It wasn't so much sarcasm as it was minor admiration but, uh, hah...

Why would garmr lie about watching me though?

I don't think he did.

He would probably omit the modifier deliberately.

For instance (not possible in norms), a PGO modifier would not want to be revealed. Same with bulletproof. It's a very town thing to omit even if your modifier does zilch. You could be a bp mason or nacho. Who knows?

Titus · Post Post #2195 (isolation #43) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:54 pm

I reserve the right to revisit Garmr lying when sober.

Titus · Post Post #2196 (isolation #44) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:56 pm

If I was town, rather than omitting, I'd claim the opposite modifier so scum act bassackwards.

Titus · Post Post #2199 (isolation #45) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:06 pm

In post 2198, Rick Dalton wrote:
In post 2192, Titus wrote:
In post 2191, Carcalilly wrote:only compared to you almighty Titus
Thanks for the sarcasm but strategy is my thing. People reading, not so much.

If Garmr white lies, he protects you, making him probably town.

If it's mid error, we all should be informed and corrected b4 ppl rely on it.
People reading and hyper analyzing in a sociological manner is my thing

If I don't annoy the shit out of you, we should hydrae sometime but you gotta take point D1 barring a stupid amount of data to play with.

Titus · Post Post #2202 (isolation #46) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:19 pm

In post 2200, Carcalilly wrote:oooh..... it’s dalton

*cough* A voyeur wouldn't see your modifier anyway so... I'm going white lie here... Unless you self-target

Titus · Post Post #2203 (isolation #47) » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:20 pm

And if you took a BP, Garmr could be doing the doctor cover thing but I think a doc claimed but I am high sooo

Titus · Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:06 pm

In post 2265, Garmr wrote:
In post 2264, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Wait, if we know Garmr lied about his target, what was going on there? And if he lied about his target why aren't people voting him? I feel like 90 percent of this game is like 3 miles over my head.

VOTE: Garmr

Pedit: shit Garmr lying about a PR this feels familiar.

VOTE: tchill
I didn't lie about my target I lied about my result but
carralilly acted daft
and didn't realise I was trying to protect her by creating a imaginary doctor for scum to hunt after......

Also the fact the mod said
no result
instead of
action failed
made believe my action was a success.

That's the new normal meta. They don't want roleblocks to be separate from ascetic.

Titus · Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:09 pm

In post 2266, Garmr wrote:Also carra should of claimed ascetic because she wasted my ability.

Tbh, yeah but people don't do the thing of claiming negative utility post one.

Titus · Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:11 pm

In post 2283, Rick Dalton wrote:Wait, I’m gonna take control of the game today AND i’m Town. I screwed myself over. I swear to drunk I’m not god or my name isn’t Dick ralton.

You have no idea how much I soul read this.

Titus · Post Post #2355 (isolation #51) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:36 pm

VOTE: tchill

That recent post looks like deflection. Lynch my SRs and if those fail, chase the PRs but never scum me.

Titus · Post Post #2357 (isolation #52) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:23 pm

I need more booze to boot up humor.exe

Titus · Post Post #2366 (isolation #53) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:35 pm

Let RD and Cliff do that. Doesn't matter. It only helps scum to stop Rick.

Let's lynch Tcholl.

Titus · Post Post #2425 (isolation #54) » Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:53 pm

What did you people do today? Reading now.

Titus · Post Post #2426 (isolation #55) » Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:56 pm

Ok, so we're progressing towards Tchill at L minus 2 by my count

Titus · Post Post #2429 (isolation #56) » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:41 pm

Wow, just when I give up hope on you Garmr you impress me.

Titus · Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:20 pm

I'll try and catch up here later today.

Titus · Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:28 am

Dumb question if Tchill is a town tracker, wouldn't he say so or hint the watcher claim might not be true? I'm a bit sick so please excuse if answered.

Titus · Post Post #2798 (isolation #59) » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:08 am

I am ok with a policy lynch on Garmr but I'd be very shocked if he flips scum. Garmr tends to be off the wall ridiculous as town.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:09 am

In post 2842, Rick Dalton wrote:I can’t really put it into words, but I think Profii might be scum.

Well, I could see Profli!scum protecting Garmr (regardless of Garmr alignment).

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:12 am

I am kinda jaded on Garmr given our last game

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:19 am

In post 2854, profii wrote:I would enjoy a garmr lynch

But I dont think he is smart enough to do those wacky claims as scum

Seems like you and I are in the same place, well unless scum!profli. Scum would have to endorse the gambit. I don't see that happening.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:54 pm

In post 2867, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: EeveeLution

If this is role madness, I think that makes it more likely Tchill is town.

Wait this isn't replaced?

Titus · Post Post #2945 (isolation #64) » Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:57 pm

VOTE: JJD

Not sure on this but I want to see how JJD v Alonzo plays out.

Titus · Post Post #2957 (isolation #65) » Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:41 am

In post 2950, Alonzo wrote:
In post 2949, Cliff Booth wrote:Let me get this straight.

I vote alonzo, he claims that I only did so because he was trying to sort me?

He votes bob with no reasoning given, right after bob was trying to sort him?

Then he OMGUS votes profii?

Am I missing something?
The scum mostly

This is funny. Over defensive though.

Titus · Post Post #2986 (isolation #66) » Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:29 pm

What post did you express this scumread? I did control F Titus and well...let's just say I've seen cleaner hogwash.

Titus · Post Post #2991 (isolation #67) » Sat Oct 05, 2019 5:20 pm

VOTE: Alonzo

JJD, our dance will have to wait.

Titus · Post Post #3002 (isolation #68) » Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:40 am

In post 2999, Cliff Booth wrote:Is this alonzo wagon speed troubling? I have played with him before and this isn't the towngame I remember from him. That's about all I have to contribute at this time

Wagon speed is rarely AI. It's the makeup that is.

Titus · Post Post #3020 (isolation #69) » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:46 pm

Hopkirk dances on vanity wagons a lot.

Titus · Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:11 pm

Hopkirk doesn't look good with the what about others defense.

Titus · Post Post #3240 (isolation #71) » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:57 pm

In post 3239, davesaz wrote:
In post 3236, Titus wrote:Hopkirk doesn't look good with the what about others defense.
Do you think that's all he's doing?

In that post, yes.

Titus · Post Post #3242 (isolation #72) » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:23 pm

Right now, I think Alonzo has a high chance of being scum due to the last second counter on EEarmy

Titus · Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:21 am

Hopkirk, I'll admit I haven't been my best here. Real life got dramatic and it's just now stabilizing.

Titus · Post Post #3556 (isolation #74) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:12 am

In post 3546, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Titus is manipulative as either alignments. I sometimes can read her when she's hyperposting, but she's not and thus I can't. It's best to have her checked if at all possible.

Pretty true. Manipulation is a dirty word for persuasion.

The traitor flipped neighbor as well. Do we know who else is in that hood? It makes logical sense that at least one is scum so the rolecop would have a method of passing results.

Also, isn't it odd to have an allegedly macho Mason with a flipped macho in Alonzo?

I'm a bit out of it.

Titus · Post Post #3560 (isolation #75) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:18 am

In post 3558, bob3141 wrote:so we have carc and proffi prety much confirmed now. Well unless profii is 3rd party

profii claims back up tracker. Which means we have a tracker.

This is wrong on so many fronts.
A backup and the orginal role do not have to share alignments. There's a whole open dedicated to this concept. Unless gobbledygook crumbled his results, he passed them in the hood. If profli is town, then there should be crumbs or a 3rd neighbor.

Titus · Post Post #3563 (isolation #76) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:22 am

In post 3561, bob3141 wrote:proffii has said there was no other. And nooen else has said they were neighbor with profii

which means profii cant be same faction as gobble.

This is not true. Please reread my last post until you understand.

Titus · Post Post #3565 (isolation #77) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:25 am

Yes, there's normal and what's possible.

How did gobble pass his results?

Titus · Post Post #3569 (isolation #78) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:28 am

In post 3566, bob3141 wrote:titus is your arguement that proffi is gobble scum partner?

I donn't see now proffi could be same faction as gobble. As it woudl defeat the purpose of gooble beign a traitor. If he could simply say hi there im your traitor

And then killing gobble makes profli "confirmed town". Profli is town almost certainly if we find gobble giving crumbs. Otherwise, I don't trust it.

Titus · Post Post #3572 (isolation #79) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:30 am

In post 3568, bob3141 wrote:with the risk of 3 confirmed your prob going to have to kill in them ?

Best way to survive a myriad of conftown is to get yourself placed in.

Maybe I'm crazy but a scum rolecop communicates his results.

Titus · Post Post #3573 (isolation #80) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:30 am

In post 3570, bob3141 wrote:
In post 3569, Titus wrote:
In post 3566, bob3141 wrote:titus is your arguement that proffi is gobble scum partner?

I donn't see now proffi could be same faction as gobble. As it woudl defeat the purpose of gooble beign a traitor. If he could simply say hi there im your traitor
And then killing gobble makes profli "confirmed town". Profli is town almost certainly if we find gobble giving crumbs. Otherwise, I don't trust it.

How about this. Was anyone other than proffii a neighbor with gobble

I don't believe so, that's why I am struggling.

Titus · Post Post #3575 (isolation #81) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:32 am

In post 3574, bob3141 wrote:
In post 3572, Titus wrote:
In post 3568, bob3141 wrote:with the risk of 3 confirmed your prob going to have to kill in them ?
Best way to survive a myriad of conftown is to get yourself placed in.

Maybe I'm crazy but a scum rolecop communicates his results.
And he no doubt could. But would have settle for outing them in thread

Agreed. Which if you're correct that's a valuable source. If I'm correct, then no crumbs = profli scum.

Do you agree?

Titus · Post Post #3577 (isolation #82) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:35 am

In post 3576, bob3141 wrote:proffi can not be scum with gobble. why would gobble be traitor then>

Loss mechanic. White flag partially. Reduce scum power by forcing a game of telephone. Pretty ingenious actually.

Titus · Post Post #3585 (isolation #83) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:56 am

In post 3581, bob3141 wrote:
In post 3577, Titus wrote:
In post 3576, bob3141 wrote:proffi can not be scum with gobble. why would gobble be traitor then>
Loss mechanic. White flag partially. Reduce scum power by forcing a game of telephone. Pretty ingenious actually.
doesnt that defeat the point of scum not knowing who the traitor is

That assumes that's the purpose of the traitor.

@Profli, I'm well known for checking out confirming logic. I'm not voting you for a reason, you're not confirmed town though.

Titus · Post Post #3586 (isolation #84) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:57 am

In post 3582, texcat wrote:Titus, Gobble clearly crumbed that he was traitor in 2143, and his first post of the day was 2028 which I think could be a crumb of his role cop results, but I'm not sure how to interpret the italized oven.

This supports profli town

Titus · Post Post #3588 (isolation #85) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:01 am

Tbh, some would say I am.

What about Garmr?

Titus · Post Post #3590 (isolation #86) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:03 am

VOTE: Garmr

Titus · Post Post #3966 (isolation #87) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:53 am

In post 3939, bob3141 wrote:VOTE: Cliff

Which also asks the question how billy got fruit if cliff couldnt vend it. Although there is a small possibility its scum gambit with billy. Most likely scum has fruit vendor and that it simply isnt cliff that sent it

Baaa!

VOTE: Cliff

Titus · Post Post #3968 (isolation #88) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:57 am

In post 3953, bob3141 wrote:My current list for scum is cliff, garmr, kop and i think last oen is titus

Billy is very likely if Cliff is scum (likely).

Titus · Post Post #4143 (isolation #89) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:49 pm

@Garmr,

Seriously, you're giving up because of a guilty on your partner? Knock it off.

In the event I'm wrong, you must stop running. You gotta calm down and think with your head and not your heart.

@Aaron, Pretty fair criticism of me. I am going to ensure Cliff and Garmr get their red flips though.

Titus · Post Post #4146 (isolation #90) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:28 pm

*looks at list*

I guess I don't exist.

Titus · Post Post #4148 (isolation #91) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:37 pm

Ok, I was wondering whether that was a reflexive passive aggressive thing bc I suspected you.

No fruit here.

Titus · Post Post #4207 (isolation #92) » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:53 pm

In post 4206, davesaz wrote:I don't get the Titus part of that at all.

That makes two of us. I'd love to coast until we got a scum flip but lol

Titus · Post Post #4354 (isolation #93) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:02 pm

I haven't caught up but I really don't like this lynch Titus talk. Seems like a cheap cop out. We know my utility picks up once we lynch scum.

Perfect way to discredit me after Cliff flips scum.

Titus · Post Post #4409 (isolation #94) » Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:42 pm

I'll try to be more active or sub out soon. I've been very sick IRL.

Titus · Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:29 pm

In post 4560, Carcalilly wrote:Like hell, they make these kills with extra cop/confirmed/doctor claims straight out in the open. This is either their first game, they aren't readying the thread, or they're fuckin' with us.

This conclusion makes sense if we actually had success in lynching. We haven't.

Scum can have weird kills if they are avoiding doctor heals. A tracker, even if widely scumread, can bust fakeclaims by scum. That would create possible 1 for one by taking a mislynch.

It also makes sense to shoot outside the probable town if one of the probable town isn't town. That's what makes me ok with the Cliff wagon. A person who can clear town should have a lot more clears to bring to the game state. He's not.

Pretty sure you're lock town in any scenario and a likely doctor heal since no one is CCing mason or subtly throwing shade your way. So my bet is scum focus their efforts on distracting you since they likely cannot kill you safely.

Titus · Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:53 am

In post 4577, Carcalilly wrote:No, they're choosing to keep me alive. Otherwise they completely missed my role modifier. like you just did :/

Makes sense. They could just not believe you, especially with a macho townie flipped. Bulletproof makes sense to claim macho. Macho makes sense to lie and claim bp. *Gives Mason clothes*

If you feel they are protecting yourself, look at all of your central opinions. Then, look at who is scum if they are incorrect. Doing this frequently is hard but it limits buddying.

Titus · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:01 pm

I'm just feeling stuck but Cliff seems like a good place to Lynch, particularly if I am not getting a Garmr Lynch.

Titus · Post Post #4591 (isolation #98) » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:26 pm

In post 4589, Garmr wrote:
In post 4588, Titus wrote:I'm just feeling stuck but Cliff seems like a good place to Lynch, particularly if I am not getting a Garmr Lynch.
You never justified a lynch on me or gave any points that's a reason people are scum reading you. Are you going to ignore that to or dismiss by saying you'll be useful latter on.

Caught for wrong reasons party of one. Grabbing quotes

Titus · Post Post #4592 (isolation #99) » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:30 pm

In post 4143, Titus wrote:@Garmr,

Seriously, you're giving up because of a guilty on your partner? Knock it off.

In the event I'm wrong, you must stop running. You gotta calm down and think with your head and not your heart.

@Aaron, Pretty fair criticism of me. I am going to ensure Cliff and Garmr get their red flips though.

In post 3590, Titus wrote:VOTE: Garmr

In post 3588, Titus wrote:Tbh, some would say I am.

What about Garmr?

In post 2865, Titus wrote:
In post 2854, profii wrote:I would enjoy a garmr lynch

But I dont think he is smart enough to do those wacky claims as scum
Seems like you and I are in the same place, well unless scum!profli. Scum would have to endorse the gambit. I don't see that happening.

In post 2853, Titus wrote:I am kinda jaded on Garmr given our last game

In post 2850, Titus wrote:
In post 2842, Rick Dalton wrote:I can’t really put it into words, but I think Profii might be scum.
Well, I could see Profli!scum protecting Garmr (regardless of Garmr alignment).

In post 2798, Titus wrote:I am ok with a policy lynch on Garmr but I'd be very shocked if he flips scum. Garmr tends to be off the wall ridiculous as town.

Evolution of my Garmr read. There was also a weird exchange at start I townread him for bc jaded. I am second guessing it as it likely worked to shade my scumread of him. I'm grabbing that next and explaining.

Titus · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:34 pm

In post 1015, Garmr wrote:Hey Titus really important question what do you read my slot as???

In post 1051, Garmr wrote:
In post 1017, Titus wrote:
VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?
Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.

In post 1056, Garmr wrote:
In post 1055, Titus wrote:
In post 1051, Garmr wrote:
In post 1017, Titus wrote:
VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?
Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.
Why would my read make you conftown?
Because you never read me right in the numerous games we played. Was waiting for you to vote me

This implies

1) Garmr thinks I am town before I even posted
2) That is Town!Titus scumreads him, he should get that as a shield
3) That my reads are always wrong

This serves as a preemptive discredit before I even said word one about him being anti-town or scum. When I turned to lynching him, he then started getting aggressive with me.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:01 pm

I am not interested in a lurker lynch.

Titus · Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:07 pm

Huh? I don't get it.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:57 am

In post 4707, Hopkirk wrote:I haven't been on 'nearly every mislynch'.

d1 lynch- consensus, my vote wasn't on it.
d2 lynch- actively against it.
d3 lynch- obviously I was on it, we had an effective cop claim.
d4 lynch- was not on as waiting for Kop.

The 'POE pool' you mention was literally just you saying 'if 4 people vote someone then one of them is X% scum' where the X% you used was actually just the same % as a randomly selected player being scum iirc.

(Titus/Eevee/Kop) remain scum based on the d1 Cliff wagon I agree.

Talk out of both sides of your mouth much

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:00 am

The VCA is hard to check without colors. Second, names should NOT be removed. Third, a scum lynch is needed to make any sort of VCA the best tool.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:02 am

In post 4735, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 4733, Titus wrote:
In post 4707, Hopkirk wrote:I haven't been on 'nearly every mislynch'.

d1 lynch- consensus, my vote wasn't on it.
d2 lynch- actively against it.
d3 lynch- obviously I was on it, we had an effective cop claim.
d4 lynch- was not on as waiting for Kop.

The 'POE pool' you mention was literally just you saying 'if 4 people vote someone then one of them is X% scum' where the X% you used was actually just the same % as a randomly selected player being scum iirc.

(Titus/Eevee/Kop) remain scum based on the d1 Cliff wagon I agree.
Talk out of both sides of your mouth much
How about you say what you disagree with instead of throwing random shade?

Also, what do you think about Eevee/Kop/Hectic who you haven't bothered to mention whatsoever this game?

Yeah I have mentioned Evee. He even corrected me on his name abbreviation that I can't remember.

I haven't been in the thread as much so I have not reacted with as many slots as I'd like. My real life is taking up much more time than I expected.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:03 am

VOTE: Garmr

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:04 am

In post 4739, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 4736, Titus wrote:The VCA is hard to check without colors. Second, names should NOT be removed. Third, a scum lynch is needed to make any sort of VCA the best tool.
Would like your role claim asap please and thank you.

I'd like you to vote scum but we aren't getting things we want.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:07 am

In post 2871, Titus wrote:
In post 2867, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: EeveeLution

If this is role madness, I think that makes it more likely Tchill is town.
Wait this isn't replaced?

In post 3020, Titus wrote:Hopkirk dances on vanity wagons a lot.

In post 3236, Titus wrote:Hopkirk doesn't look good with the what about others defense.

In post 3306, Titus wrote:Hopkirk, I'll admit I haven't been my best here. Real life got dramatic and it's just now stabilizing.

In post 4409, Titus wrote:I'll try to be more active or sub out soon. I've been very sick IRL.

In post 3242, Titus wrote:Right now, I think Alonzo has a high chance of being scum due to the last second counter on EEarmy

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:08 am

Sorry I don't use your method of referencing EE. Sorry real life has prevented me from posting but I am trying to catch up.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:28 am

In post 4748, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 4745, Titus wrote:Sorry I don't use your method of referencing EE. Sorry real life has prevented me from posting but I am trying to catch up.
This is a terrible response. Looking through your entire posting and you don't mention Eevee by any other names either, except for that one reference you made that you quoted above which wasn't about Eevee at all.

Eevee is EEArmy which is Evolution Army sooo it was exactly about that slot.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:28 am

In post 4746, Hopkirk wrote:Ok so you're saying you have mentioned Eevee because you say
Alonzo has a high chance of being scum due to the last second counter on EEarmy
that's fulfilling the technical wording of the problem I have but not the actual reason it's a problem.

Your attacks on me there I address and you ignored my responses. You've been throwing very minor shade without following up and you're clearly positioning.

How come you didn't mention anything about Eevee after Alonzo flipped town given what you say in 3242?

Cop guilty combined with real life. Then it slipped my mind.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:29 am

In post 4750, Garmr wrote:Also will ask again so you don't miss it why weren't you protecting profii. He was the obvious choice to protect.

Well the question is if it was so obvious, why didn't you watch it?

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:57 am

In post 4754, Hopkirk wrote:It clearly ignores the actual point 'you have not mentioned Eevee directly or meaningfully at all'.
If the best response you can make it 'I mentioned them offhand once while refereed to the wagon on them without following up with an opinion later' is the best you can do then you're not answering the question, you're trying to make it look like you've answered or that I'm unreasonable. It's weaselly rules lawyery avoiding the actual question.

Hardly. You're just arguing what I can do is never good enough. I don't deny that I didn't follow up. I am not sure that's the only interaction but in that interaction, I clearly take the position that EEArmy is town and act accordingly in thread.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:58 am

In post 4766, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 4353, Hectic wrote:That's amazing. I am forever in your debt, Texcat.

Titus' stance on profii is really odd. Like I get considering the possibility that he could be scum with a traitor in a neighbourhood, but thinking it's likely the case is dubious to say the least.

@Titus: Why'd you vote for Garmr late on yesterday? Earlier, you said he does crazy stuff as town and that you'd very surprised if he flipped scum.
There's this if that's what you mean.

I literally made a post on my evolution of why Garmr's a good lynch. I would find it but I am on mobile.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:34 am

In post 4781, Hopkirk wrote:I'm thinking 4 of (Eevee, Titus, Garmr, Hectic, Kop) as scumteam.

Great then help me bus. Garmr fake claim is to let him coast.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:07 pm

Sorry I haven't been here guys. I forgot about this.

VC please

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:11 pm

In post 4968, Garmr wrote:I been under the assumption this whole time that you and hopkirk had a qt + a role and that's why you were town reading each other because of it.

I think I ninjaed this.

Plus this assumption seems ridiculous with the masons being outed and the neighbors confirmed.

Titus · Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:56 pm

We should still be lynching Garmr.

Titus · Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:50 am

Isn't the mason ascetic? How could Garmr save the mason?

Anyway, I have to go VLA and I'm not getting Gamr so...

VOTE: Pine

VLA to Tuesday

Titus · Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:30 pm

In post 5014, Billy Pilgrim wrote:This is complete bullshit. Kop/Pine, texcat, and Titus have all dragged into another day without having to claim. Titus gets lynched tomorrow, and I need a claim from tex like yesterday.

Pine should be dead and if I'm murdering scum, I am not claiming for them.

Titus · Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:31 pm

In post 5026, AaronFrost wrote:Mass claim was agreed on a while ago so I don't know why you're so against claiming.

Not by me and I'm the strategist.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:32 am

I am a one shot roleblocker. I held it until last night because I figured it was negative utility. I blocked Garmr. Someone still died. So either Garmr's a strongman, I was separately blocked or scum didn't send him for the kill.

VOTE: Garmr

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:01 am

In post 5057, bob3141 wrote:titus you were a one shot roleblocker why use it now when your chances of hitting who ever makes the night kill is low?

It was the best shot I got. I see I am the mislynch du jour. If I held it, I might not survive the lynch.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:26 pm

In post 5061, Hectic wrote:Why do I have a terrible feeling that Titus is town horribly misplaying, and we're at Lylo with 5 scum alive?
Titus' hammer was ridiculously bad, but I have no idea why scum would do that there when Pine was basically certain to be lynched regardless.
Explain yourself, Titus.

I was starting a jury trial. He was also the decided lynch. The jury reached a verdict one hour ago.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:28 pm

In post 5060, Hectic wrote:
In post 5056, Titus wrote:I am a one shot roleblocker. I held it until last night because I figured it was negative utility. I blocked Garmr. Someone still died. So either Garmr's a strongman, I was separately blocked or scum didn't send him for the kill.

VOTE: Garmr
Why are you still voting for Garmr then?

I became consensus scum when I pushed him. If I am going down, I am swinging at scum.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:29 pm

In post 5059, Hopkirk wrote:So I notice you hammered Pine without a claim?

Yes. If he's L minus 1 without a claim, he won't claim.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:20 pm

In post 5067, Hectic wrote:ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.

Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.

My power is gone once I use it. If I'm unknown, scum might change how they act and perceive like I am a threat. That can protect the more vocal town.

Second, the mass claim was poorly constructed. There's an ideal procedure and this wasn't it. I didn't have the time to lead it.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:02 pm

In post 5075, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 5071, Titus wrote:
In post 5067, Hectic wrote:ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.

Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.
My power is gone once I use it. If I'm unknown, scum might change how they act and perceive like I am a threat. That can protect the more vocal town.

Second, the mass claim was poorly constructed. There's an ideal procedure and this wasn't it.
I didn't have the time to lead it.
Shouldn't the conf!towns be the ones to lead mass claim?

No. Leading mass claim is about optimal strategy. The optimal massclaim order depends on suspected alignments. Given how widely suspected I was, massclaim should have never started when I was limited access.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:03 pm

In post 5072, AaronFrost wrote:UNVOTE:

If Titus is town here, then I can see why she would use her 1-shot ability if she feels like she's on the hot seat today. Of course if Garmr got a result then we know she's lying but I'll withhold my vote until I hear from Garmr.

Yuck.

Titus · Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:00 am

In post 5130, Hectic wrote:
In post 5126, AaronFrost wrote:So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.
4 scum for 25 players?
There must be a serial killer or other anti-town roles in that game.
A standard 21 player game has... oh, I just realised it's 5 scum actually.
Since the number of town is 3× the number of scum + 1.
I think I concluded it must be 6 because one of the scum was a weaker traitor.
But I guess it's not definitely LyLo then.

I inferred it wasn't lylo because I wasn't hammered.

Titus · Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:04 am

In post 5247, Garmr wrote:Also for anyone claiming me forgetting my action is bs I could of easily went with (oh yeah I was roleblocked) if I was lying.

Admitting you were blocked confirms my role, which stops my mislynch and gets you lynched.

Cara, how can you not see how obviously scum Garmr is?

Titus · Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:21 am

In post 5270, EeveeLution Army wrote:does the answer to that question change anything about the gamestate at all?

Read this is a scumclaim. I'll pm a list mod.

Titus · Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:32 pm

Texcat, why am I on your never lynch list?

VOTE: Garmr

Titus · Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:59 pm

In post 5288, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 5280, AaronFrost wrote:Titus you realize that today is most likely lylo right?

If it is, I am locked into voting Garmr.

If it's not, he's still the best vote.

Titus · Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:03 am

Ok, why the hell are we not lynching Garmr aka Mr. I forgot?

Titus · Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:26 am

In post 5304, Garmr wrote:
In post 5303, Titus wrote:Ok, why the hell are we not lynching Garmr aka Mr. I forgot?
Because I'm town and scum know I would beat you in a 1v1 so they want to avoid it.

So you think Bob is scum?

Titus · Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:50 am

I'm just ready to pull my hair out. If it was anyone else, Garmr would be in a body bag right now and we'd have a scum flip.

Titus · Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:08 pm

In post 5377, Garmr wrote:
In post 5374, Hectic wrote:
In post 5371, Garmr wrote:
In post 5369, Hectic wrote:Wait, I thought Titus claimed VT?
She claimed to of roleblocked me yesterday.

In post 5372, Garmr wrote:
In post 5056, Titus wrote:I am a one shot roleblocker. I held it until last night because I figured it was negative utility. I blocked Garmr. Someone still died. So either Garmr's a strongman, I was separately blocked or scum didn't send him for the kill.

VOTE: Garmr
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Why doesn't it fit the game?
Because of all the macho roles?
We have the three watching type roles (2 trackers,watcher,Voyour)

A bunch of macho like roles including masons.

2 fruit vendors

2 masons one who can send messages

1 claimed none consecutive doctor.

A role blocker doesn't jive with town in this set up.

Also if any player had a half a brain I should be considered Confirmed town in this set up as well.

But we have intellectual masterminds like tchill who was worthless this game that couldn't see that.

So multiple flipped cops were ignored by a scum roleblocker just to hit you once?

Nice try Garmr. You're scum.

Titus · Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:09 pm

In post 5375, Garmr wrote:Starting to wonder if Rick is actually scum. Titus being the scum roleblocker and all and untouched by rick all game when his the outed doctor.

If a mythical scum roleblocker exists, why would you suppose Rick is untouched?

You know he wasn't because you know I'm town.

Titus · Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:10 pm

In post 5359, texcat wrote:
In post 5358, Hectic wrote:VOTE: Texcat

Probably never getting a claim out of her.
I refuse to claim unless a known townie asks me to claim.

I am asking.

Titus · Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:12 pm

Texcat, you're a diversion for scum at this point. We want to lynch Garmr. You see it. Just claim already.

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:52 am

@Hopkirk, I'd rather not lynch anyone but Garmr. If I was forced to, I would vote whatever wagon was most likely to be his partner.

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:29 pm

Rick, you should really unvote. Garmr is obvscum and it's highly unlikely both Hopkirk and Hectic are town. You called him obvscum and look who he won't vote...Garmr.

Hopkirk meanwhile wants me to catch all the scum before voting Garmr.

Garmr was straight up caught in a fiction yo avoid confirming me and we let it go?

Titus · Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:39 am

In post 5424, Hopkirk wrote:No comment on Tex being confirmed scum?

She's not. Garmr is but ok...

Let's lynch the people voting scum instead.

Titus · Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:45 am

In post 5437, Hopkirk wrote:Scum just tried to go for the win today.
Titus tomorrow.

*facepalm* If the game's not over, I really don't see how me being off wagon and defending Texcat is consistent with scum going for the win.

If I'd be scum (fallacy) I didn't "just" try to go for the win as Texcat is town.

Second, if Texcat mislynch is scum playing for the win, then the players pushing the end...Garmr and Aaron would be scum.

I seriously don't understand how you miss this.

That is unless you're so pigeonholed in your wrong theory that scum failed to lynch Garmr to win. This makes no sense. Why go for a lynch on Garmr to win when every counter to Garmr has flipped town?

This is why I forget you vote Garmr sometimes. You post shit like this. If we get a chance to get a Garmr scumflip, I am pursuing you tmo.

Titus · Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:45 am

In post 5445, Hopkirk wrote:Nobody's hammering her. Do you think there's only 3 scum, or that the scumteam is me/hec/gam/RFD?

Aaron hammered her.

Titus · Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:53 pm

Ok. This has to be lylo. So I'm putting it out there.

Twice Garmr was countered. Twice the counter flipped town.

When are we just going to lynch Garmr?

Intent to vote Garmr

Titus · Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:54 am

VOTE: Garmr

Now, if this wagon gets diverted, I'll be one annoyed mama.

Titus · Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:01 am

In post 5478, Hectic wrote:Though if Bob is scum, Aaron would be town... I think.

Why would Bob be scum?

Titus · Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:39 am

@Bob, You and Carc can vote Garmr to rectify the situation.

I really don't like Hopkirk posting VCs reasonlessly to try and force a conclusion.

Titus · Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:17 pm

We were utterly convinced that Garmr was the traitor. I even told Garmr Rick was on our side when he made that push.

I figured Benedict Arnold was a trap. No traitor would be that obvious.

Titus · Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:26 am

In post 5569, Garmr wrote:I sensed something was off when titus town read me then did a 180 after the traitor flip.

Truth, it did flip because you were not the traitor but being your usual town self. Instead of using this though, you picked a fight with me, failed to submit an action that gave me cover, and refused to reset your reads.

If scum mistake you for the traitor, what does that mean about your reads as a whole?

Titus · Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:00 am

In post 5577, Hopkirk wrote:Can we get the scum QT?

No objections