Open 81 - The New C9 - Game Over

[StrangerCoug]

roflcopter's #14 is a big fat scum tell to me, and the only way he can know for sure that Iron Man is town is if he is either scum or cop, the latter of which is idiotic. The post after his asks why he thinks so, and he shoots it off as saying the question is scummy and refuses to explain why said question is such.

If his first post started with the words "I think" or "I'm pretty sure that" and he backed himself up, this would be a different story, but neither is the case here.

Vote: roflcopter

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: I don't buy roflcopter's defense that armlx was rolefishing, either.

[StrangerCoug]

roflcopter, if your mason claim is true, then you just gave the Mafia and the serial killer two free hits—you and Iron Man. Do you realize that, not only have you given him away, bur you have also blundered yourself up beyond all recognition? Are you even thinking before you lay one finger on your keyboard!?

[StrangerCoug]

I did not see him confirm before I started typing. Sorry.

I don't intend to unvote at this time, because town or not, you have made a serious,

SERIOUS

blunder that is making it hard to believe your claim. For all I know, Night 0 you could have talked with Iron Man and agreed to fakeclaim mason when it came to that point.

If you must roleclaim a power role during Day 1, wait until lynch -1 to do it.

[StrangerCoug]

please stop being retarded and unvote

Please stop outing your group and take pride that you have an informational power role if that is the case.

Operative words where I mentioned fakeclaiming mason: "could have". I'm not saying you did, I'm saying it's possible.

I'm running up and down stairs doing chores and posting at the same time, which is why it's taking awhile for my posts to show up.

I will unvote you once I have a good reason to do so. Right now I do not.

[StrangerCoug]

*grumble, grumble*

Fine.

Unvote: roflcopter

, but I still believe your actions warrant an

FoS: roflcopter

.

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Lowell

for aforementioned rolefishing. The only time you should be asking anybody to claim anything on Day 1 is if they're at lynch -1.

I still think armlx asked a legitimate question and roflcopter shot it off as rolefishing, so I'm not calling the former out for it.

[StrangerCoug]

roflcopter's #14 is a big fat scum tell to me, and the only way he can know for sure that Iron Man is town is if he is either scum or cop, the latter of which is idiotic. The post after his asks why he thinks so, and he shoots it off as saying the question is scummy and refuses to explain why said question is such.

If his first post started with the words "I think" or "I'm pretty sure that" and he backed himself up, this would be a different story, but neither is the case here.

Vote: roflcopter

This post makes my scumsenses tingle. Why aren't you even considering a town gambit? Oh, you add something referencing it, three minutes later. It's like you didn't want to be seen desperately throwing shit:

EBWOP: I don't buy roflcopter's defense that armlx was rolefishing, either.

Actually, though, that's not a defense, that's an accusation.

I was looking at page 1 when I typed the first quote up. The second quote is after I looked and saw that roflcopter finally answered armlx's question.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP:

unvote, vote strangercoug

for shedding crocodile tears.

You can't tell me masons outing themselves really hurts the town. ESPECIALLY in a situation where we probably have an SK.

What do you mean "probably"? We

DO

have a serial killer. The fact that three deaths happened Night 0 meant we have both an SK and a vigilante, and I want to know where you were when we came to that conclusion.

Even if scum factions WANTED to kill the masons (which in my experience isn't always the case) they have no way of coordinating it.

This is a good thing. Let it go.

I have. By unvoting him. Yes, I still have an FoS out on him, but that is because I feel a number of his actions before and during his claim were unnecessary. If roflcopter just said "I am a mason" and didn't say with whom, I would have believed it initially instead of reluctantly (it has been explained that doubting the mason should only happen in a lynch-or-lose situation)

Do you have anything else to say for your OMGUS vote on me?

[StrangerCoug]

I'm going to get the claimed mason discussion over with and

un-FoS: roflcopter

. It's old news now.

Do you have anything else to say for your OMGUS vote on me?

Nope. I feel pretty good about it, though.

Explain, because I'm not inclined to unvote you.

Actually, I'm inclined to vote StrangerCoug too.

Why?

FoS STrangerCoug

. I rather dislike how reluctant you were to get off the mason claimants, and then still trying to make it look like they could be scum. It's been beaten to death, but let's reiterate again. D1 mason claims would be pretty stupid for scum to do. I'm not ready to vote you yet, but should a wagon appear on you, I will sure as hell join it.

One, I would not have unvoted roflcopter if it weren't reiterated already. Two, your last sentence makes it look like you're letting scum influence your opinion about me.

HoS: forbiddanlight

How many posts are on forbiddanlight at this point, by the way?

[StrangerCoug]

How many posts are on forbiddanlight at this point, by the way?

The word "posts" should be "votes". My apologies.

[StrangerCoug]

The reason I was asking is because I don't want to kill forbiddanlight before she gets a chance to claim. I'm going to wait for Lowell's defense before I do anything about her, though.

[StrangerCoug]

I counted four votes on forbiddanlight right now, by the way, so roflcopter's right about being nowhere near lynch point.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: armlx, what connection are you referring to?

[StrangerCoug]

Well, in case you all DO want to kill me shortly, I might as well point out I'm a vanilla townie. No claim here, continue voting at will.

That's three people unnecessarily claimed now.

I'm actually quite astounded that that one statement got a wagon on me. To be honest, I was justifying intuition. I don't feel that StrangerCoug is town, but I'm maddeningly incapable of backing that up with much more, hence why I only FoS'd. I didn't want to start the bandwagon because I didn't have any "real" evidence. If a wagon started, my intuition would be more justified, and I also might actually find the reason that I'm suspicious of him, other than what I said.

How do other people voting for me justify your intuition?

I also think at this point there is probably at least one scum on my wagon (since they should pretty clearly know I'm not scum). Given that, I will

vote Vamparific

since from what I can tell, he just waltzed in and jumped on the running wagon. Pretty easy way to hide as everyone was accusing me of attempting to do. I also am supsicious of StrangerCoug, but since that's not likely to go anywhere, let's hit the other one who looks mildly scummy here.

This part of your post seems hypocritical. You FoS'd me based on very little because you didn't want to vote me, yet you just made a full-fledged vote on Vamparific based on what is also very little.

Unvote: Lowell
Vote: forbiddanlight

[StrangerCoug]

Vamparific has more against him than you realize. You don't just throw a vote on a bandwagon with "I agree with what everyone else has said". Especially when you get into higher vote counts. It was the 4th vote, so not really bad, but it's still very fishy to walk in, vote with such a flimsy reason, and walk out. Then he comes back with his only defense being "I always screw myself over"? Yeah, that's not scummy at ALL.

OK, I buy that.

The "very little" you speak of is ridiculous. I had intuition on you for my FoS. I can't vote on intuition. Well, I CAN, but it's not good play. I do however feel if a wagon did form on you, someone would point out what my intuition was going off on, so I'd feel better about voting you;.

So you are playing the waiting game as to what to think of me, is that correct?

Vamparific however, was just a straight reading the evidence. It's scummy, no two ways about it. So, I really think that you aren't examining the situation well, StrangerCoug.

Maybe not, because nobody in this game is God. Any specific examples of my faulty examination that you wish to bring up?

-Edited to fix tags. Mod.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Please fix my quote tags.

I feel like an idiot typing "vote" instead of "quote", especially given my vote's already on who I'm talking to.

[StrangerCoug]

Why did you claim at -4?? Claiming should NOT be done until you're at about -2. And just out the blue with no-one asking for a claim? What's that about?

Arguable. Cougar was holding his vote pending a claim

I may be misinterpreting you, but I don't remember posting anything that implied that I was waiting for you to claim something before doing anything with my vote. In fact, what I do remember is objecting to your doing so once you did.

The reason I left my vote on Lowell while considering you in the meantime is because I

WANTED

to give him a chance to defend himself, but it came to the point where, in my eyes, you were scummier than he was. I'll review your case and take a look at Vamparific's, but for now my vote on you stays.

[StrangerCoug]

Well this was an easy review xD

The first thing Vamparific does is answer roflcopter's question and votes for his answer, armlx. Then he attempts to distance himself from roflcopter by unvoting armlx, then he bandwagons forbiddanlight, then comes the "I keep screwing myself over" post, and then the unvote for forbiddanlight. He's posted way too little information to come off as townie to me, and while his posts are too close together to qualify as lurking in my book, his lack of content is what's about to kill him.

Unvote: forbiddanlight
Vote: Vamparific

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP:

vamparific: The most obviously scummy player. The "I keep screwing myself over" post was the most fail in the game so far, and some of her other posts don't come very far behind.

Vamparific is male.

[StrangerCoug]

I actually buy Korts' defense that he misinterpreted armlx. What I think the latter is saying is that vigging Night 0 has its reasons. Yes, Korts may have ended up rolefishing as a result, but it's minor compared to Lowell asking the masons to claim Day 1.

[StrangerCoug]

vote:roflcopter

. Just seems like everything he's said so far is kinda pointing towards scum.

easy bandwagon, as there were several people already on me at this point, and you'll notice he doesn't actually give any real reasons for believing me to be scum. this vote was extremely opportunistic.

Agreed xP

Why would we want potential masons to claim now, especially with no doc.

That's not necessarily true. There could be another doctor.

translation: pssst. hey scumbuddies, remember there might be a second doctor.

Maybe I only catch obvious rolefishing, but to me he's trying to avoid assuming something about the setup that turns out to be wrong.

True. I guess I was being a little reckless there.

translation: no i was not warning my scumbuddies to be careful with our nightkills.
<_<
>_>

This confuses me a bit. Explain your translation.

Wow. I get caught up in work for a day and come back to claims on Page 3.

...

Anyway, anyone suggesting roflcopter for today's lynch, under the circumstances and given his claim, should be hit in the head with a baseball bat.

vote:roflcopter. Just seems like everything he's said so far is kinda pointing towards scum.

Would you care to elaborate on your thought process behind this post, please, BlakAdder? Cause, frankly, it's textbook bandwagoning.

That was before he claimed mason, and I just thought that his behavior was kind of suspicious. Making assumptions is part of a game of mafia, after all.

unvote

if everyone played mafia by making assumptions and voting without giving the slightest bit of reasoning it would be a very easy game for scum like you.

Russian roulette, anyone? xD

Could you elaborate on what you mean when you say "making assumptions" is part of the game of mafia and what exactly you were making assumptions about?

Pretty simple, really. If everyone waited until they were totally sure that someone was scum, deadline would roll around before we reached a majority. Also, my assumption was voting for roflcopter, obviously.
Also, I don't think I need to justify my intuition, but whatever.

translation: i don't think i need to justify my intuition because my intuition said i was getting on the easy townie bandwagon before i looked scummy doing so, but my intuition was clearly wrong.

Similar to forbiddanlight's case if I remember correctly.

Also, I don't think I need to justify my intuition, but whatever.

But you do. Intuition is not valid reasoning.

Okay, good point. Guess I just kinda get used to going by my gut and I forget that not everyone thinks like that.

- Edited to fix tags. Mod.

more excuse making for voting without providing reasons.

Agreed. Back yourself up with evidence from the thread whenever possible. If it's a gut feeling, explain what the gut feeling is and what caused it.

I agree with Bystand. I want to vote Vamp, but I'll give him a chance to give some particular defensive evidence against himself first. But for now,

FOS: Vamp

agreeing with someone else's case =/= providing reasoning, and FOS-then-voting onto the most popular wagon doesn't make it any less opportunistic or scummy.

Again similar to forb's case.

in conclusion: the vampwagon is terrible (i listed him as anti-town because his play has been p bad, but i don't buy him as scum atm), blakadder should be the lynch today. see above for something i call reasoning, plus you all know i'm pro-town.

I can see Vamparific replaced, given he hasn't posted much at all. It's a little too soon for that to happen, though.

Vamparific, if you're reading this,

please post more content.

It'd help us hearing what you have to say.

With all that said:

Unvote: Vamparific
Vote: BlakAdder

[StrangerCoug]

oh i got lotsa votes...lol

If I were you and I did not want to get replaced or die, I'd start posting something decent. We have 11 pages worth of information so far and you have said little if anything about it. There just

has

to be something you have an opinion on. If you must do so, ask questions about other's opinion.

armlx, it was stupidly, blatantly obvious who my mason partner was if i just claimed mason, thanks to you rolefishing for just that information.

Sigh, you accuse me of role fishing that info out when A) a large number of players pushed your wagon to claim and B) you volunteered the bread crumb.

First, changing history, the "wagon to claim" thing. Not all that scummy by itself, but it not being correct invalidates the argument, yet armlx keeps pushing the point it should serve to strengthen.

You can't tell me masons outing themselves really hurts the town.

It does. Anything that gives the mafia more information in who to target at night is going to hurt the town, especially if the "pay off" for the town is getting 2 confirmed innocents who won't likely last long.

This is just theory, but I still can't agree with it or see how one could truly believe this. The masons outing themselves give the town two confirmed townies, narrowing the field, and also makes the NK choice harder for both factions of scum, because they can't synchronize their kills. Basically the two choices left for scum are either killing one of the two confirmeds, or trying to hunt for power roles, both of which have serious drawbacks in that by killing one of the two confirmeds, scum let go of the possibility of killing a power role, and if they choose to hunt power roles, the town will still have two confirmeds Day 2. Again, this isn't much of a point against armlx, I just don't see why armlx keeps arguing against the masons claiming when they already have.

Its relevant to Lowell's townieness later on.

armlx, you have contradicted yourself. You said that roflcopter was bandwagoned to the point of claiming mason, which Korts said he was not. You then bring Lowell into this, implying that you knew that he asked for a mason claim. Said claim request is actually why I currently think he's scummy (remember that I was

VERY

hesitant to clear roflcopter of my suspicions), but other issues have come up since. Some of them involve you. So without further ado:

Unvote: BlakAdder
Vote: armlx

[StrangerCoug]

I'm fairly tempted to vote Tinvision, and maybe would if it weren't for SC, who's bandwagon hopped like hell (most recently to armlx), kept pressuring rofl long after his claim, only unvoted rofl after peer pressure (which indicates just bending to the towns wishes so as not to cause a major debate about his townness) and of course that major link with Korts, they all persuade me to

Vote: Stranger Coug

.

OK, I admit to the first three to various extents, but if you believe that the connection between Korts and me exists, then what do you think of the latter's accusing armlx of not taking into account that forbiddanlight has played similarly to me and practically the same connection applies to her and Korts?

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP:

OK, I admit to the first three to various extents, but if you believe that the connection between Korts and me exists, then what do you think of the

former's

accusing armlx of not taking into account that forbiddanlight has played similarly to me and practically the same connection applies to her and Korts?

Fixed.

[StrangerCoug]

Holy guacamole, forbiddanlight, that's a giant post #303. I had to highlight your post to keep track of my reading spot.

I remember admitting that I've been on every bandwagon except for the one on Korts but not why I didn't bandwagon him, so I believe it's high time I explain that.

I largely buy Korts's defense against armlx's accusations on him, for one thing. I also see him as defending me by bringing forbiddanlight into his case and saying she's played similarly to how I have. However, he may simply believe that she and I are about equally scummy (or townie, if that's the case). forbiddanlight and I suspect each other, even though I'm not voting for her at this time.

[StrangerCoug]

You seem awfully willing to give up your case for being convinced I am scum KortS.

Why the capital S every time? There is no capital S. It annoys me. Please stop.

It's better than someone constantly adding an H at the end of your name, let me tell you xD

armlx is still obvscum.

I should have brought this up earlier, but I object to the term "obvscum" because it's an excuse to accuse somebody without giving a real reason. You don't need it to make a good case.

The same applies to "obvtown" re: clearing somebody.

[StrangerCoug]

I already did. It's on Stranger Coug. I like that one better because he's shown himself to be relatively scummy too. That could change quickly if silence keeps that act up.

Who are you talking to?

[StrangerCoug]

a) Trying to control the Vig's kill-choice is anti-town
b) Greasy Spot actually provided a bit of a case against AIUN
c) Like 4 people have already said Vamp would be an excellent vig
d) You suggesting otherwise is defending Vamp (see c)

Point b) is total crap, since Greasy Spot has never presented any case against me besides "too stupid to be a townie", which is in fact not a case at all.

Point c/d) is also crap, because as I said, I'm in favour of a Vamp vig as well.

Point a) is also wrong, for the record.

iamausername, why is point a wrong? I actually agree with strife220 here. Yes, lurkers make good vigilante targets, and yes, the vig should pick somebody who he or she thinks is scummy, but the vig can kill whoever he or she wants as long as those two are kept in mind. I'm pretty sure whoever the vig is is reading your posts and mine, because the vig might completely throw GS and Vamp out the window and pick someone else, if only for the moment.

The vig kill N0 was obviously not based on somebody looking scummy, but I'm pretty sure there was a reason for it, as bad of a reason it may be.

I agree with iamausername on point b, though. Idiocy is not a legitimate reason for a vote.

I'm split on point c, but point d makes sense. In fact, iamausername, your response to point d implies that you approve of both Greasy Spot and Vamparific vigged. What's up with that?

[StrangerCoug]

I'll

FOS GS

for tunnel vision.

Explain, even if you just spit out post numbers.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh come on. Just look at GS's posts. How many times has he voted for iamausername? And for what? Basically for questioning him.

Let Lowell answer please. I asked because I'm the person who likes having reference points.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP:

Fairly long post with no serious content and obviously weak/false points. Play by play.

I'm pretty sure whoever the vig is is reading your posts and mine, because the vig might completely throw GS and Vamp out the window and pick someone else, if only for the moment.

Pointless comment.

See my response to the next quote, then come back and explain how this is pointless.

The vig kill N0 was obviously not based on somebody looking scummy, but I'm pretty sure there was a reason for it, as bad of a reason it may be.

Completely irrelevant point. Why do you bring up the N0 kill and on such an irrelevant and subjective scale, when neither of the quotes in your post address the N0 kill?

Because it relates to the paragraph above it. Call the N0 kill reasoning point e, if you will.

I agree with iamausername on point b, though. Idiocy is not a legitimate reason for a vote.

Calling others' arguments "idiocy" and not commenting further isn't just rude. That's also not a valid refutation of the argument.

You took this out of context. See iamausername's response to this.

I think the reasoning for vidging Vamp or Greasy Spot (and it is the same reasoning) is good. Both these players are totally useless if they're on the side of town, and if they're not, it will be hard for us to detect this, because they're not making any attempt to actually play the game. It's much better to vig these kind of players than lynch them, because the voting records on these lynches will give us far less information than those on a player who is actually participating because, as armlx said in his original vig-directing post, their lynches are not likely to be polarising.

In fact, iamausername, your response to point d implies that you approve of both Greasy Spot and Vamparific vigged. What's up with that?

See above. Obviously, this would take more than one night. That's fine by me.

OK, I believe your explanation.

Considering multiple (scummy/lurking) players for vigging is just not, as I see it, scummy. What's up with your question? Want to be looking like you're contributing, but don't know how?

See iamausername's response.

Basically, I highly feel that iamausername has defended his reasoning for strife220's post better than Korts have of both strife220's and iamausername's. I don't think iamausername gave me the kind of answer I was looking for regarding directing the vig kill being scummy, but he has presented his opinion of vig killing and I agree with it. Korts, on the other hand, shoots off the existence of a reason for the N0 vig as pointless and irrelevant, implies that I thought Greasy Spot was an idiot when looking back and reading would reveal that Greasy Spot thought iamausername was an idiot (and the mod called him out for it), and gives a flippant response to what I feel was a legitimate concern.

Unvote: armlx
Vote: Korts

[StrangerCoug]

I do not "shoot off" the existence of a reason for a N0 vig as pointless and irrelevant. Don't misrepresent me. I said that your point about it was irrelevant in that particular debate that you brought it up in. As for the existence of a reason for a N0 vig, it's customary to kill the village idiot or the guy who has a history of not being helpful, etc. I don't know why this is a matter of speculation for you.

I misunderstood you. My apologies.

As for my calling you out over questioning multiple vig targets, that is correct and I wanted to make sure iamausername was on the right track.

Unvote: Korts

[StrangerCoug]

IGMEOY: armlx

Way to be polite about it.

(Note: I don't object to your saying we shouldn't discuss the vig, as I tried to avoid talking about it as well. What I object to is the way you said it.)

[StrangerCoug]

IGMEOY: armlx

Way to be polite about it.

(Note: I don't object to your saying we shouldn't discuss the vig, as I tried to avoid talking about it as well. What I object to is the way you said it.)

Impoliteness is

definitely

not a scumtell.

Hence why it's not an FoS. That's me giving him a dirty look.

What IAUN said, and it definitely got everyone to stop talking about it, am I right?

Apparently.

Vigs are useless anyway. There, I said it.

HoS: Lowell

for calling a powerful pro-town power role useless.

[StrangerCoug]

That's an opinion, Coug. It doesn't affect his alignment either way. And in the end, discuss it after game. Seriously, you seem to be panicking, throwing accusations around for such little things. If I weren't already voting you I'd vote you now. and an "I've got my eye on you" still indicates suspicion. If it's not scummy, why are you looking at him?

As I said, he wasn't polite in his post. I don't think IGMEOY was the best way to go about it, but I wanted to get his attention.

Coug:

1 Why are you HoSing someone for a game theory opinion?
2 Why are you HoSing at all when your vote is currently sitting idle?
3 Would you say it is fair to describe your play today as jumping, tarzan-style, from popular wagon to popular wagon?

1. If it's an opinion, it's a harsh one, and he didn't explain why he thinks so.
2. Because I don't feel that the comment, in and of itself, warrants a vote.
3. I have admitted to bandwagoning, so it makes some sense.

[StrangerCoug]

3. I have admitted to bandwagoning, so it makes some sense.

Not valid reasoning. Just saying "I band wagon" and doing it does not give you a free pass to do so.

I did not admit to bandwagoning so I could do so. I admitted to bandwagoning because somebody was concerned that I was already doing so and that I needed to stop. There is a difference.

unvote, Vote SC

What you seem to have been doing is throwing FOSes around like confetti, which I don't think is helpful to town.

I'm trying to be as cautious as possible at this point, and voting Lowell just for speaking his mind about a power role, whether I like what he says or not, is making mountains out of molehills. Which is why it was an HoS instead of a vote. Until I saw this:

unvote, vote Sun Tzu

. If he's scum he'll come totally unglued. Let's try it.

Vote: Lowell

for attempting what looks to me like a gambit without backing himself up.

I'll

FOS GS

for tunnel vision.

Explain, even if you just spit out post numbers.

Where have you been for the last ten pages or so? He's been OMGUSing Username repeatedly without good reason.

Here. I'm the kind of person who needs references if he doesn't get explanations.

Could somebody post a vote count please?

[StrangerCoug]

It's meta of me, perhaps, but not a gambit. I still don't really get what that is.

There's no reason to vote somebody to get a meta read on him or her.

[StrangerCoug]

Hey, Lowell, could you try explaining your vote on Sun Tzu in a way that makes sense to people in

this

game?

Just trying to start a wagon. I'm saying he'll panic if he's scum, that's all.

All right, I honestly don't know who's the scummier bandwagoner anymore—you or me. I know what I am and I'm already voting for you, but I'd like to make this loud and clear for everybody:

Confirm vote: Lowell

[StrangerCoug]

Oh come on. Give it 24 hours,

THEN

bump it!

But yeah, discussion here has really died down.

[StrangerCoug]

hey everyone, tinvision is looking scummy. discuss.

OK, I'll start by asking why you think so.

[StrangerCoug]

More votes on the SC wagon would be appropriate. He's still L-3.

"shameless wagoning" hadn't been part of the case until now, interesting. And the vig issue is two-sided. And more.

You really had to make those two posts in close succession, didn't you?

I am the vigilante,

and I killed dcorbe Night 0. Granted, I did it out of spite and I probably could come up with better reasons, but that's who and why.

[StrangerCoug]

unvote

I'll need to reread. What do you mean with this?

More votes on the SC wagon would be appropriate. He's still L-3.

"shameless wagoning" hadn't been part of the case until now, interesting. And the vig issue is two-sided. And more.

You really had to make those two posts in close succession, didn't you?

If you did not mean to drive me to claim, then I understand, but I'm bringing those two up because that pretty much did it for me.

[StrangerCoug]

unvote

. Yay, a vig who kills for spite!!! The MOST useful role!

Didn't you say earlier that the vig was useless?

[StrangerCoug]

I did. Now you know why.

So was #471 sarcasm or what?

[StrangerCoug]

I don't understand the connection you're drawing between the two quotes. How did me replying to armlx make you claim?

It did not. You mentioned my being at L-3 at the time and brought up the vig issue, and I happened to be the vig and see those posts together.

[StrangerCoug]

Crap, what is that, four claims on Day one, now?

I think so. The two masons, a vanilla townie, and the vigilante.

[StrangerCoug]

We do have an interesting situation, though. We're not even out of Day 1 and with a 20-player game we're already down to 13 people whose role has neither been claimed nor revealed. Don't know exactly what to make of it, but it's newsworthy.

[StrangerCoug]

and k7 was knifed. so the vig didn't want an idiot rampaging around with ridiculous theories (dcorbe), while the sk didn't want a lurkfest from k7. both make a degree of sense in terms of offing people who are annoying and often unreadable.

How do we know killa seven was SK'd?

[StrangerCoug]

If we don't lynch Korts, can we lynch Lowell? He's made about a post every page; most every post is just 1 or 2 sentences. He pushed outing the masons with no meta proving that he actually believes it's a good move (subjective point, I know, but I think it's anti town). He's accused like 6 people of being pro-town. He made a vote on Sun Tzu without giving a reason, later stating he was 'just trying to get a wagon going for pressure,' apparently on a completely random player. Finally he's complaining about the vig, essentially discouraging him from using his kills.

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

in hopes that people will join in. It takes about 2 minutes to reread all of his posts, and I think when read in sequence it becomes apparent that he's trying to seem pro-town without actually doing anything useful.

Would still like to see Korts lynched but that wagon seems to be stalled.

I don't like Lowell's posts, which is why I confirm voted him, but I don't like this post of yours either. You're spoiling an otherwise good attack on Lowell by encouraging bandwagoning and going for the easiest lynch possible.

Major HoS: strife220

[StrangerCoug]

Well I can't let all the other claimers have

all

the fun. I am the Mafia Godfather. I will always show up innocent.

I know I said I confirmed my vote on Lowell, but I withdraw that, and I'll make him my vig target unless there are any objections to it.

Unvote: Lowell
Vote: Greasy Spot

for admitting to being the godfather

[StrangerCoug]

Why are we still debating on who we should lynch? Has anybody other than me read #507?

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not familiar with fakeclaiming scum, and if it's not fakeclaiming then my sense of humor is shot. My rationale, with a sense of humor or a lack thereof, is that you don't joke about bombs at an airport unless you want to be thrown in prison, and likewise you don't joke about being scum unless you want to be lynched. Hence why I'm dropping Lowell and going after Greasy Spot.

[StrangerCoug]

I'll post more when I come back from the library, but I am not vigging either of the masons. That's not my job.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't like Lowell's posts, which is why I confirm voted him, but I don't like this post of yours either. You're spoiling an otherwise good attack on Lowell by encouraging bandwagoning and going for the easiest lynch possible.

Major HoS: strife220

Confused... why is encouraging bandwagoning bad? And how is Lowell the easiest lynch possible? He was one of 8 people that had votes on them at the time. Why not a HOS to Korts for saying:

Actually, if some people would be willing to vote armlx, that'd be all kinds of great.

since it's also explicitly encouraging bandwagoning?

Fine.

HoS: Korts.

You happy?

My rationale... is that you don't joke about bombs at an airport unless you want to be thrown in prison,

You just finished xyyzy's game with GS in it. Go re-read his... 2? posts in that game. GS clearly has no problem with joking about bombs. Armix is right with his meta.

Greasy Spot did not play in that game.

Lynch Blak, Vig Iron. Directing the vig is NOT scummy. Vamp was a GOD AWFUL player. Testing the masons is 100% necessary before LYLO.

Heck no. The vigilante shouldn't be testing the masons.

FoS: Muerrto

Here's a reason why using the vig to test the masons is a bad idea; it's unnecessary, because the SK will almost certainly be doing that for us before LYLO.

Thank you. Great minds think alike.

Ugh...I don't like this Korts. Not at all. It's all well and good to vote your gut, but to expect others to vote with you because of it? Not gonna work. Case or die.

Don't you think this is a bit harsh?

[StrangerCoug]

No mason would claim in his first post IMO but hey...

roflcopter claimed mason on his ninth post.

[StrangerCoug]

No mason would claim in his first post IMO but hey...

roflcopter claimed mason on his ninth post.

He said IM was obv town in his first post. That's his claim.

If the ridiculously lame (and I really do mean ridiculously lame) term "obvious town" can be called a claim at all, then it's a soft claim. The only difference I know between that and a breadcrumb is that the former implies "hint, hint" and the latter involves planting information to be discovered later.

[StrangerCoug]

SC, the absurdity of that statement in the first post of the game is going to lead to the outing that happened here, so its more or less a claim.

*rewrites his personal MafiaScum dictionary to take this into account*

[StrangerCoug]

Going back and rereading since I have free time on my hands:

Can you list his actions? I thought he was scummy because he HAD NO actions. That doesn't quite apply to me.

sure thing pal, here goes

argh i dont want to be on rofl's side

unvote

this is scummy

vote:forbidden light

i agree with the others points

this is scummy

I also get the whole deal with Vamp. Seems really opprotunistic given his poting history.

FoS Vamp

.

More later.

lol i keep screwing myself over

this is scummy

Explain all of the above.

I like the Vig directing actually but I'd like it on IM because:

A. He's lurking as bad as Vamp and not contributing anything.

B. I wanna test the masons.

this is so scummy.
it says "my predecessor and this claimed mason are guilty of the same infraction. shoot him!"

One dead mason instead of the Vig possibly accidently hitting a power role randomly is a good trade

this is especially scummy, since instead of accidentally hitting a power role you'd like the vig to purposefully hit a power role

It's a good a use of the Vig as any

except, you know, not shooting a mason

@muerrto: please respond to this point against your theory...

scum claiming masons wouldn't be so dumb if there weren't a serial killer in this open setup.

and this new one against your plan...
announcing in thread which mason you want vigged is a great way to let the scum know which one they won't be wasting a kill on (ie the other one) and convincing the vig to kill a mason is like the biggest gift you could possibly give the scum.

I understand Muerrto replaced Vamparific, but your case is lopsided toward the replacee as opposed to the original player. This tells me nothing about why you thought Vamp was scummy for those posts before he was replaced. Is Muerrto scummier to you than Vamparific, as illogical as this question sounds?

[StrangerCoug]

Hey, when is deadline anyway? seems we kinda died.

There isn't one... yet *shifts eyes*

[StrangerCoug]

Hey, when is deadline anyway? seems we kinda died.

There isn't one... yet *shifts eyes*

Yeah there is.

But, it's not for awhile. We're fine.

My apologies.

[StrangerCoug]

Seriously, everyone has done at least SOMETHING scummy.

Everyone!? Please explain this, because I think this is a stretch and I can't keep track of what 17 people have said in a thread.

[StrangerCoug]

rofl early game asserted Iron was scum with no proof and jumped on armix for inquiring on it.

roflcopter said Iron Man was town, not scum.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Please prod silence and roflcopter.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, roflcopter, now that you're here, answer my #592:

Can you list his actions? I thought he was scummy because he HAD NO actions. That doesn't quite apply to me.

sure thing pal, here goes

argh i dont want to be on rofl's side

unvote

this is scummy

vote:forbidden light

i agree with the others points

this is scummy

I also get the whole deal with Vamp. Seems really opprotunistic given his poting history.

FoS Vamp

.

More later.

lol i keep screwing myself over

this is scummy

Explain all of the above.

I like the Vig directing actually but I'd like it on IM because:

A. He's lurking as bad as Vamp and not contributing anything.

B. I wanna test the masons.

this is so scummy.
it says "my predecessor and this claimed mason are guilty of the same infraction. shoot him!"

One dead mason instead of the Vig possibly accidently hitting a power role randomly is a good trade

this is especially scummy, since instead of accidentally hitting a power role you'd like the vig to purposefully hit a power role

It's a good a use of the Vig as any

except, you know, not shooting a mason

@muerrto: please respond to this point against your theory...

scum claiming masons wouldn't be so dumb if there weren't a serial killer in this open setup.

and this new one against your plan...
announcing in thread which mason you want vigged is a great way to let the scum know which one they won't be wasting a kill on (ie the other one) and convincing the vig to kill a mason is like the biggest gift you could possibly give the scum.

I understand Muerrto replaced Vamparific, but your case is lopsided toward the replacee as opposed to the original player. This tells me nothing about why you thought Vamp was scummy for those posts before he was replaced. Is Muerrto scummier to you than Vamparific, as illogical as this question sounds?

[StrangerCoug]

i agree with this guy called chamber whose custom title is "cases are scummy"

Well, chamber is not in this game, so stop dodging my question and give a real answer. You and I are already NK bait, and the fewer reasons you give all of us to off you, the better.

[StrangerCoug]

i agree with this guy called chamber whose custom title is "cases are scummy"

Well, chamber is not in this game, so stop dodging my question and give a real answer. You and I are already NK bait, and the fewer reasons you give all of us to off you, the better.

Leave him, I think you should. And don't even think about offing him.

I'm not saying I'm going to vig him; I'm saying that there are enough reasons as to why he probably won't live until tomorrow already (his claiming mason way too early, his being of little help to us, etc.) and his imminent death doesn't need to be sped up.

[StrangerCoug]

The fact that he's being of little help to us and you (the vig, or so you say) don't vig him isn't going to get him NK'ed, since there's no other pro-town killing role. I don't understand your logic unless you're actually the SK.

As I said, I have no intent to kill him. Although I attacked the mason claim for a good while and he's acting generally anti-town, I see no reason why I specifically should get rid of him. He and I both have only a very small chance of making it past tonight assuming neither of us gets lynched, and I'm more likely to be NK'd than he is.

Also, SK claiming vigilante makes less sense than you'd think because it's suicide. If I really am the serial killer, my goal is to be the last person standing, and fakeclaiming vigilante, whether there's a counterclaim to it or not, is essentially throwing in the towel since I get killed by the Mafia thinking I'm really the vig. I don't need to give them any more advantage in killing me than they already do.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: What is the vote count?

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote: Greasy Spot

and return to a

Vote: Lowell

for the reasons I had before unvoting him most recently (bandwagoning and what I think is an attemped gambit). I want to lessen the pressure on whoever replaces Greasy Spot and allow that person to speak his or her mind.

[StrangerCoug]

FoS: JordanA24

for refusing to allow ting =) to speak his mind about the game before he gets killed.

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Extension of the game

[StrangerCoug]

ting =), who, in your opinion, should I vig?

[StrangerCoug]

sc you should vig muerrto

I was asking ting =), but unless there are any objections I'll lynch Muerrto.

[StrangerCoug]

SC, stop listening to what other people are saying about who you should vig, unless we can all come around and do a second full vote on it. Taking 3-4 opinions is not going to help.

So be it.

[StrangerCoug]

SC, did you target Lowell?

Yes. As for the reason, I wasn't too happy with his driving the masons to claim, and he picked bad reasons for voting for sun tzu and GreasySpot/you (testing for reactions outside of random voting).

I'm surprised the masons and I didn't get killed last night, actually.

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Muerrto

D1 when everyone was pushing the Vamp vig, IAUN pulled the "GS would also make a good vig..."

Greasy Spot would make an excellent vig kill.

Indirect way of trying to save Vamp from a vig-kill when he was a nearly unanimous decision for viging. Subtle scum-buddy tactic. See page 14 and 15.

I'll take a good look at this.

Major HoS: Muerrto

pending my read of those two pages.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, I've looked, and I do believe that iamausername has attempted to create a distraction to save Vamparific/Muerrto. Upgrade to a

Vote: Muerrto

, but looking at the same discussion and the one about the four points IAUN brought up makes me want to throw a

Minor FoS: Korts

. Not 100% sure why I suspect him as it is a gut feeling right now.

[StrangerCoug]

I'll go ahead and

Un-FoS: Korts

as I think he's defended the case I felt I had on him.

[StrangerCoug]

Um, what? The gut feeling that you cited in your last post, was that your case against me?

Exactly it. I wasn't sure what made me think that at first, but now I'm pretty sure given your response.

[StrangerCoug]

The mod's right, though. Both of them went too far here, and I don't like those posts at all. roflcopter has reduced himself to being childish, and Muertto... ugh xP Somebody other than the mod who can think right now explain how #805 is scummy.

FoS: roflcopter
Confirm vote: Muerrto

[StrangerCoug]

FoS: roflcopter

Rofl is p much confirmed town. This is worthless.

That does not give him the right to commit scumtells and be generally unhelpful to the town.

The mod's right, though. Both of them went too far here, and I don't like those posts at all. roflcopter has reduced himself to being childish, and Muertto... ugh xP Somebody other than the mod who can think right now explain how #805 is scummy.

FoS: roflcopter
Confirm vote: Muerrto

Actually can you explain why 805 is scummy instead of insinuating it is and asking others to do it?

For starters, you dismissed roflcopter's case (whatever he claims it is) as "immature pre-pubescent crap" and play the newbie card for Vamparific. When you replace somebody, you are held liable for your replacee's actions, whether you like them or not, and it is still your responsibility to defend them. Most of the people attacking Vamp were unaware of his alignment. You are. In fact, you have exactly the same alignment and role as he did. You must convince us that both Vamp's actions and your own are pro-town. Refusing to defend cases simply because you are not whoever you took over for is scummy.

[StrangerCoug]

Uh, not it's not. You can lynch a player for his predecessor's actions, sometimes he may choose to mount a defence, but it can't be expected of them. Are you telling me you've never replaced someone who was town, but where for the life of you you couldn't begin to imagine what they were thinking? I've done that plenty of times.

I've replaced both scum and town. In fact, I replaced an already suspicious player in a previous game who happened to be townie. I'd have to look the game up, though (it's "Mayor's Mansion" and either Mini 601 or Mini 604. The game is over, so I can talk about it.).

Also, you flat-out contradict yourself there. You claim he plays the newbie card for Vamp, and also that he refuses to defend him. Obviously, these cannot both be true, since playing the newbie card is a defence, of sorts.

OK, let me rephrase that: He plays the newbie card for Vamp and refuses to give any other defense for his actions.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, but why should he, then? If all he sees when he looks at Vamp is, 'GRRRR, dumb n00b' then that's all he need say about his predecessor. You seem to be of the opinion that Muerrto should account for Vamp's thought process or something, which doesn't really make sense. You can desire a muerrto lynch because of Vamp, sure. You can't ask Muerrto to defend Vamp.

If Vamparific/Muerrto isn't scum, then he's frustrated town. It's not exactly what he said, but how he said it, that makes me suspect the post the mod warned him for.

[StrangerCoug]

I also detect that someone has never replaced DrippingGoofball...

How is this relevant?

[StrangerCoug]

oh shit....sorry. I didnt realise the game was still in night!

It's actually day right now, so it's OK to post.

[StrangerCoug]

Still waiting for someone to confirm whether the mod told us who killed who or not.

Do you think he's going to answer, and even if he could, do you really need to know?

If you really must know, I killed Lowell, and it looks to me like sun tzu and iamausername killed each other. But that's a question I don't like.

[StrangerCoug]

...

...

fos: strife

Explain. Don't just FoS him without saying what you don't like about his post.

[StrangerCoug]

bm looks like active lurking scum

Why?

[StrangerCoug]

Still happy with my vote. The game kind of stagnated though, so I have just been reading, instead of actually posting.

Ditto. There's no new content that I feel I can take advantage of.

[StrangerCoug]

Self meta is the ultimate WIFOM.

Lmao just make sure Armlx follows me to the noose. My point was that there's no way in hell I'd call out my partner like that protecting him. That's not WIFOM that's fact. Last time someone got me lynched on a 'distancing' case was Quagmire(scum) who ended up winning. Everyone knows distancing cases are weak and should never be the sole reason for a lynch. So far that's the only case on me. Ergo, no case. Quag got the newbies to listen to him then, you guys have no excuse.

I really don't like this post, but can't explain right now. Something about the overall tone I get?

To tell the truth, I'm leaning more towards Muerrto's side of the case right now. Granted, he isnt the most pro-town player, but I could probably cite a few players that are more scummy than him.

Which ones and why?

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I am having technical difficulties with my Internet connection right now, and I'm posting from the library. I'm not going to call myself V/LA just yet, but if I take too long between posts, go ahead and replace me outright.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: The technical difficulties mentioned in post #1009 have been resolved. Thanks.

[StrangerCoug]

I still think it's Muerrto. I haven't decided on a vig target, but I think it's a better idea to pick one based on the alignment of the eventual lynchee.

[StrangerCoug]

Rofl hammered quickly before anyone else could speak. Still against testing the masons? If he flips scum I will laugh my ARSE off and I'll spam the post game with so many I told you so posts it'll be a new record for # of pages in a game.

Again, not my job. If it comes down to lynch-or-lose, I'll consider, but not before then.

[StrangerCoug]

Farside, you killed Armix, correct? Meaning scum didn't get a kill off.

How on planet Earth did you mistake me for farside22!?

But yes, I did kill armlx.

[StrangerCoug]

I really didn't like Fonz case on Ting.

Why not?

[StrangerCoug]

Looking at The Fonz, ting =), and Korts right now.

[StrangerCoug]

i think it is extremely unlikely that ting is mafia. i agree that we should be keeping on eye on korts.

Greasy Spot was pretty scummy (I've said it before and I'll say it again if I need to: I'm not offing you or Iron Man), but I just got done with ting =), and I can believe his case. Nothing the latter said is setting off my scumdar right now.

I haven't looked at The Fonz or Korts yet.

[StrangerCoug]

Before I claimed, The Fonz voted me for throwing FoS's like crazy when FoS'ing is something I do. He also attempted to paint Greasy Spot's replacing out in a scummy light.

As for Korts, I hate his early vote hopping. After unvoting roflcopter, he was tempted to vote me, then decided to vote forbiddanlight. He switched to Sun Tzu for one post, then forbiddanlight again for one post, then Vamparific. His vote on armlx I can buy, though. When he actually votes me, it's not an entirely scummy reason for his vote, but I feel it was better elsewhere.

The last sentence of this post makes absolutely no sense from town.

These posts are why I claimed.

Korts's final Day 1 vote was on BlakAdder for no reason. Day 2, he votes armlx, and I can't make out if a reason for it exists. He also hammered Muerrto out of impatience.

TL;DR: I'm not happy with a good number of his votes here.

Vote: Korts

[StrangerCoug]

FoS: Everybody that's just sitting there.

Give us decent cases already!

[StrangerCoug]

OK then.

[StrangerCoug]

Now I'm split between ting =) and The Fonz here. I'm still happy with my Korts vote, but it's starting to look like at most one of those two people are scum. If they're both scum, I'm going to slap myself in the head for overlooking obvious distancing.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: By "those two people", I mean ting =) and The Fonz. Korts's name is in the way, which is why I think my #1093 isn't clear.

[StrangerCoug]

How long do we have, a week and a half? God, this game is slowing down...

[StrangerCoug]

Yep. You, me, and Toaster Strudel.

[StrangerCoug]

I haven't got that far yet (I'm stopping today at Page 8. I'm weak lol), but I know you aren't part of our mason group, and the only other claim I've seen is forbiddanlight claiming townie.

It is correct that I am not a mason. I am the vigilante.

[StrangerCoug]

A townie claim doesn't change anything.

If done too early, it makes it easier for scum to look for power roles.

[StrangerCoug]

You were the one who said it doesn't change anything, and I was giving a counterexample.

(Kokusho's Gambit involves cop fakeclaiming tracker, but there is no tracker in this game, so we can safely assume they don't lie. That's for another time, though.)

[StrangerCoug]

I know it's taking forever, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to make the decision for the town who to kill.

Mod: Please prod everybody that's inactive.

[StrangerCoug]

You don't give any reasoning for your vote, Toaster Strudel. All that is to me is confirmation bias.

[StrangerCoug]

One, who is SG?

Two, I don't. I simply don't like people voting and not giving a good reason why.

[StrangerCoug]

There's only two G's in my name. The one you have capitalized is a C as in Charlie.

[StrangerCoug]

Same deal here.

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote: Korts

I'll have another look at my other suspects after class.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, this is after one quick reread. Here's what I have:

• I don't see a case on Battle Mage.
  
• The Fonz did a few things I don't particularly like, but he otherwise appears to be an actively scumhunting townie.
  
• Greasy Spot's later posts come off to me as particularly scummy, and I still don't like his vote on iamausername. As for the ting =) vs. The Fonz case, I currently believe The Fonz more. I'm going to repeat the latter's case on the former as little as possible, but this one is the one I like best and the one that won me.

Vote: ting =)

[StrangerCoug]

Um, not sure if I exactly promised anything, just said I NEED TO be more active. Otherwise, I should be replaced. I just don't like rereading threads that have tons of pages over and over again. I need to work on that. But I wasn't promising anything, just noting that I haven't been that committed and I need to step it up a bit and help out. Not sure if that's scummy or not, but I guess it can be perceived as active lurking, since I have been keeping up with the posts. I was going to comment anyways. Usually, in all my games, I just stay quiet if the conversation doesn't concern me, and then days pass quickly.

Enough said. I just did a Ctrl+F on your posts in isolation, and the only things that come up when I type "promise" or a form thereof was in your post quoted here and your quoting another player.

FoS: silence

for strawmanning orangepenguin.

Don't like how strife pretty much forced Korts to claim. It was probably necessary, to prevent a lynch, but the way he said it sounded pretty bad. (CLAIM OR DIE) Not sure if that's enough to warrant a vote.

"Claim or die" is pretty common to say when someone's at L-1. Some people like it, some people don't, but I say it's a null tell.

[StrangerCoug]

Remember that a vote for Ting is a vote for Greasy Spot. If you think he's scum, you have to think Greasy spot and IAUN were distancing D1. I really don't think that's true.

Why do you think otherwise?

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Deadline extension.

We're really going to need this.

[StrangerCoug]

I think we've as good as wasted our extra week. We don't have a lot of time, so we

REALLY

need to make up for it.

[StrangerCoug]

I think we've agreed that the vig shouldn't announce targets out loud, but silence's lack of posting is getting on my nerves. He voted orangepenguin on September 11 for "continuously promising activity today without doing anything", and when I checked orangepenguin, he had promised nothing. The vote put them both at the same amount of posts—17 apiece—and since then, I count five posts from orangepenguin, one of them his defense to the vote, and zero posts from silence.

I'm sorry, but if you're going to vote somebody for being inactive, don't be inactive yourself. It makes you look very hypocritical once someone like me notices.

Intent to vig: silence

[StrangerCoug]

I don't have reason to believe that orangepenguin is scum, though. My vote will stand on ting =).

Why I want silence dead involves orangepenguin, though, so anybody who objects to my vigging the former and making the mod's replacement job easier had better speak up now.

[StrangerCoug]

And you choose OP based solely on number of votes, right?

Basically. Orangepenguin has contributed very little to the game, while Ting has been relatively active and I believe GS's argument with IAUN is a towntell.

Remind me to hurt you if orangepenguin flips town and ting =) turns out to be scum.

[StrangerCoug]

As I said, I don't see the case on orangepenguin. If orangepenguin gets lynched instead of ting =), the latter is getting vigged instead of silence, i.e. ting =) will

NOT

live to see tomorrow if I can help it. That's final.

strife220's post #1238 reads like a deflection to me, but for that to be valid, ting =) must die.

[StrangerCoug]

Dammit. Forgot you're the confirmed vig. Nevermind that, then.

It would be blasphemy for a doctor to protect a power role, forget he did so, and then kill the power role off,

ESPECIALLY

if said doctor is responsible for said power role still being alive.

[StrangerCoug]

As I said, I don't see the case on orangepenguin. If orangepenguin gets lynched instead of ting =), the latter is getting vigged instead of silence, i.e. ting =) will

NOT

live to see tomorrow if I can help it. That's final.

Actually, that's not final. I think it's better to have this as a plan:

• If anybody other than ting =) and strife220 gets lynched, I'm killing ting =) tonight and voting strife220 tomorrow.
  
• If ting =) dies and flips scum, strife220 is my vig target.
  
• If ting =) dies and flips town (which I doubt), silence will remain my vig target and strife220 is cleared of my suspicion, at least for the time being.

strife220 is simply buddying up to ting =) more than my liking.

HoS: strife220

[StrangerCoug]

So, you've actually

read

the GreasySpot-IAUN interaction from Day 1 and really think it's distancing? Please go read it again...

It is ting =)'s actions, not Greasy Spot's, that are the reason for my vote, though it should be noted that I don't like some of the things Greasy Spot did either.

[StrangerCoug]

Somebody unvote orangepenguin and/or vote ting =), and fast. I fear a mislynch right now.

[StrangerCoug]

But I don't think either of them are scum :S.

Here's a good reason: I think one of my suspects, strife220, is trying to deflect votes off ting =) and on orangepenguin for very weak reasoning; therefore I think the former two are scumbuddies. ting =) must be dead for that to be proven.

[StrangerCoug]

But I don't think either of them are scum :S.

Here's a good reason: I think one of my suspects, strife220, is trying to deflect votes off ting =) and on orangepenguin for very weak reasoning; therefore I think the former two are scumbuddies. ting =) must be dead for that to be proven.

Didn't you just say you thought I was buddying up to Ting, implying I'm scum and Ting's a townie?

I do believe that you are buddying to him, however scum doesn't always buddy up to town to get them on their side. You are trying to stall his lynch by having everyone else vote orangepenguin for what I think is 1.) a null tell and 2.) a very weak reason. orangepenguin has clearly stated that he is often lynched for his non-vocal play style regardless of alignment. This is scum-to-scum buddying if you ask me.

My suspicion of you is highly dependent on ting =)'s alignment. Keep that in mind until daybreak tomorrow.

[StrangerCoug]

5 townies, 3 scum alive = lylo.

Do you believe a massclaim for the five unclaimed roles are in order?

The Fonz: ???
fobiddanlight: ???
farside22: ???
Korts: Doctor
skitzer: Mason (confirmed)
StrangerCoug: Vigilante (confirmed)
strife220: ???
orangepenguin: ???

The fact that I vigged the cop makes me suspect orangepenguin. I killed him for voting orangepenguin out of hypocrisy, and now the case on OP makes sense to me.

If we massclaim, I want orangepenguin to claim first.

[StrangerCoug]

SC: I understand why you shot silence. His lack of comments and under the radar play didn't help. I am surprised that with Ting coming up town you didn't shot Fonz. I read that argument and felt that Ting had better points then Fonz did. Let me get quotes on this and show you my issues.

Feel free to spit them out. I found myself thinking The Fonz had better points than ting =), which is why I kept him alive, but I could be wrong.

Oh, and before I forget: orangepenguin, no more appeals to emotion. Actually participate and comment today. Otherwise, this is your last day alive.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: Missed this:

How in the world did Forbidden get ignored after claiming vanilla day 1 at L-3 and never get looked at against. I looked at the fact that she jumped on one bw after another yesterday was the worse.

Thanks for reminding me. The list at #1264 should read:

The Fonz: ???
fobiddanlight: Vanilla townie
farside22: ???
Korts: Doctor
skitzer: Mason (confirmed)
StrangerCoug: Vigilante (confirmed)
strife220: ???
orangepenguin: ???

There are, therefore, four unclaimed roles, not five.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Please fix my quote tags.

[StrangerCoug]

And overall this game is boring. Nothing interesting has happened for two days except more deaths.

Then do something about it, damn it!

And now we lack a cop.

Not necessarily. Remember that there is the possibility of two cops.

You know what? Screw this. You are strawmanning the hell out of me and you know it. I'm going to

Vote farside

. I was kinda hoping you'd be town. You aren't.

You're being awfully panicky, and given it's LYLO, it's too early in the day for a vote to my liking.

HoS: forbiddanlight

[StrangerCoug]

Slow game

Can we mass-claim and get that over with?

Quoted for truth.

Mod: Please prod all inactive players.

My guess is a Korts/Penguin/Farside trio. I'd like to see Penguin lynched today most of all, I think.

Korts being scum does not explain my surviving Night 2.

[StrangerCoug]

You may mark Korts as confirmed if you wish.

[StrangerCoug]

SC, definitely shoot tonight, in case you were considering withholding a kill.

I really didn't want to last night either given I don't have long to live whether or not today would have been LYLO.

If we mislynch, I probably won't be able to save the town from losing, since scum probably wouldn't try WIFOMing me into a lynch again; in case of a mislynch, you have a 3 in 5 chance of hitting scum (3 in 4 if you don't consider shooting me). If we correctly lynch, those chances are somewhat lower, however, we will definitely go into Day 5 in LYLO upon correctly lynching, with you shooting or without, with two confirmed minimum (assuming I'm getting killed); if you shoot, that will be two confirmed, two scum out of 5, if you don't, it will be 2 confirmed, 2 scum out of 6. Obviously we have a better chance with you shooting either way, and it's not vitally important to hit scum if we lynch correctly today.

It would be nice by, if some miracle, we lynch correctly today and I vig one of the other scum, though

Those odds are noted, but you will have to help me here.

[StrangerCoug]

silence's vote on orangepenguin with little and the former ending up being the cop makes me suspect the latter right now, but that's all I have on him that seems to have much bearing at the moment.

[StrangerCoug]

Slow game is slow ><

[StrangerCoug]

orangepenguin hasn't been appealing to emotion, but he hasn't been contributing enough to my liking either, which was one of the conditions he had to meet if he wanted to stay alive.

Vote: orangepenguin

[StrangerCoug]

orangepenguin hasn't been appealing to emotion, but he hasn't been contributing enough to my liking either, which was one of the conditions he had to meet if he wanted to stay alive.

Vote: orangepenguin

I've surely posted more. I claimed when asked, I haven't been lurking. If you wanted me to do more, you should've said something.

Telling me who you think is suspicious and why would help at this stage in the game.

[StrangerCoug]

1. Do you believe Korts is town?

Yes; otherwise, I'd be dead.

2. If so, and given that we have a mason and a confirmed vig, that means that ONLY ONE OTHER CLAIMED VANILLA IS TOWN, from your claimed perspective (and mine). Who do you think that is?

The person that claimed vanilla that looks most pro-town to me is a tossup between you and farside22.

[StrangerCoug]

If Korts is scum, then that means he probably opted not to kill me Night 2 to make it look like he protected me. I am kind of surprised he's not dead by now, and apparently, the masons somehow pose a bigger threat than I do. If I were scum, Korts really were the doctor, and someone else made a truthful vigilante claim, I would have killed Korts the night after he claimed and the vig the night after that.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not going to announce my intended target this time, but I will take a look at town consensus before shooting.

[StrangerCoug]

I personally don't have anything against you per se, but I am surprised that you are still alive and that the masons somehow pose a bigger threat than me to the Mafia. If you are indeed the doc, then you, too, could be considered a dangerous threat if you keep protecting me (and if you are really the doc, then please continue doing so).

You cannot be counterclaimed, so I will probably not kill you solely on grounds of the Mafia kills not making sense to me. After all, you really could be what you say you are and this is a ploy of some sort to screw with me...

[StrangerCoug]

The Fonz: ???
fobiddanlight: Vanilla townie
farside22: ???
Korts: Doctor
skitzer: Mason (confirmed)
StrangerCoug: Vigilante (confirmed)
strife220: ???
orangepenguin: Vanilla Townie

I tried dropping hints, but I am the doc.

Goodbye.

[StrangerCoug]

I honestly have no clue who's scum at this point, but that may be due to my tunnel visioning on people being town. I'll check my other games and see if I have enough time for a reread before I hit home (which, chances are, I won't).

[StrangerCoug]

My reread of the first quarter or so of the game gave me town vibes from strife220, but the fact that he's still trying to pin suspicion on a confirmed doc doesn't look right. If the doc gets lynched today, it's a given that I die tonight.

Vote: strife220

[StrangerCoug]

Given SC's blind faith in your assessment, I think it worked.

What do you mean blind? Korts protected me the night the Mafia kill didn't happen. I therefore do not have good reason to doubt his claim.

SC - why oh why would scum let the doc live this long?

This is WIFOM, and even if it weren't, I still wouldn't know.

Why would OP - who was L-1 with 48 hours left from the deadline - counterclaim a townie at that point?

WIFOM again.

[StrangerCoug]

Fine.

Unvote: strife220

, but it's still an

FoS

in my book.

[StrangerCoug]

strife220, a quick reread of your posts in isolation actually leads me to believe you are town.

I'll reconsider Korts.

[StrangerCoug]

If I really have to, I'll throw my vote on Korts, and I do see part of strife220's argument. I figured the order of the nightkills would be doc, then the vig, then the masons. Both masons are dead, Korts and I are still alive.

[StrangerCoug]

@Both Korts and SC - There are two other (relatively inactive) players in the game. At least one of them is scum (unless it's a strife/korts scum-team). BM's (now Farside) play was unusual for him. Fonz spent most of the game screaming back and forth with Ting. Should be worthwhile to try and pick out the scum team.

I already picked the most likely scumteam, if you hadn't noticed. I'm focusing on you especially because

you're just that handsome

no-one else (unconfirmed) is participating in the game right now...

Do we need to state the obvious, Korts?

As for my input, I think The Fonz is scummier than farside22, and my most recent reread on you came off as town, which means that, if I'm right, the scum pair is either The Fonz and farside22 or The Fonz and Korts.

[StrangerCoug]

The Fonz, the lack of a Mafia nightkill is what I think confirms him. Since the Mafia kills after that seem to want to stop making sense to me, I'm having second thoughts at this time.

farside22, the lack of anything that I saw as overly scummy plus the back of my head telling me that Korts might actually not be the doctor is what led me to believe that strife220 is more likely town than scum.

[StrangerCoug]

Let's give strife220 some company, shall we?

As I said, I need to review Korts, especially after his claim.

[StrangerCoug]

Happy scumday farside22.

I like Korts's most recent post, but that's all for now. I know I've been keeping quiet, but the last thing we want is a mislynch.

[StrangerCoug]

Unless a mislynch on a vanilla means a draw, in which case there may be other factors worth considering.

Enlighten me here.

There was lots of material on 'why Korts is scum' that doesn't involve the doc claim.

Any of it post-claim material?

[StrangerCoug]

After my long overdue reread on Korts, I can see how this:

Well then, it seems we have a second doctor.

Breadcrumbs this:

"Claim or die", how I hate that phrase...

Doc. Protected armlx N0, roflcopter (now TS, I think) N1, SC N2. SC is therefore confirmed.

The only way for Korts to know for sure at the time of the first post that there was a second doctor is if he was it (since the Mafia can choose not to NK).

This is setting off alarm bells, though:

This the entirety of your case? Cos I couldn't find anything else. That's pretty weak by itself.

vote: ting

Basically to save my own ass.

Voting to save your own ass? Is that pro-town?

And look at this lovely gem:

And you choose OP based solely on number of votes, right?

Well, I can go for that, too. This game needs a kick in the balls.

unvote, vote: orangepenguin

Mindless bandwagoning, is it not?

FoS: Korts

[StrangerCoug]

Let me guess, Korts: WIFOM?

[StrangerCoug]

Are you voting strife220 for WIFOM?

[StrangerCoug]

You guys had better be right, because I'm going against what I said earlier...

Vote: strife220

for the kill.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not going to vig anybody tonight unless I'm positive they're scum.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm leaning toward The Fonz, but I will hold my fire.

[StrangerCoug]

Damn it, now I can't decide whether to shoot...

[StrangerCoug]

You wouldn't be giving me advice if you were town

[StrangerCoug]

Well, at least I got to shoot scum before I die. I should be thankful for that.

[StrangerCoug]

Well, that was interesting. Why me the day before lylo, SC? I really don't think I was the best choice.

Your quick vote that day, which was also a LYLO situation, was what set me off. Sorry.

[StrangerCoug]

What did Pie say?

[StrangerCoug]

@ Strife: No, OrangePenguin did put in a kill on StrangerCoug at the last minute. We got horribly crossed up as a scumgroup, unfortunately.

So it wouldn't have mattered if orangepenguin submitted the kill in time or not, am I reading this right?