Mini Theme 2105: Assassins Mafia (Game Over!)

[unwnd]

I really don't understand why Bitbringer deflated. Genuinely not a single bit, but trying to uh

Reflate it kinda seems like an effort better left for another day. Weh to me gets solved later, it's kinda cool she claimed a role so that helps that idea of (solving later) a lot easier to handle.

[popsofctown]

I tried to remember what Creature posted to start an argument

then realized I can't remember

If I click the iso button and he actually has posts I'm in

I'm against lynching him before he plays, not reading him quickly, in theory he should work that way

[Definitely Not Scum]

I would actually rather bitbringer and I know my partner would too.

[Definitely Not Scum]

TSE to answer your earlier question, we voted you to see how you would react. But it didn’t really have any affect on you.

- OS

[Shadoweh]

VOTE: Bitbringer

Just to prove the wagon is far from dead

This was why I voted unwnd, it seemed like a really weird thing to say at the time, but now I think I only thought so because I was sleep deprived and the rest of their iso looks fine tbh.

I'm only trying r/n because the least I can do is get nightkilled instead of lynched before going on vacay.

[unwnd]

I would actually rather bitbringer and I know my partner would too.

Oh, perhaps my habitual pessimism was decided too soon? I dunno, it begs the question where everyone else who unvoted is at rn too

[Definitely Not Scum]

I am just confused by Shadoweh claim. I don’t see why town needs to know targets? Unless there is a clear indication that balance/alignment is dictated by our targets.

[popsofctown]

VOTE: Creature
Firebringer seems like the town half of his coin to me but I don't think bitbringer is as towny as like, unwnd.

I'm definitely not eager about whether my vote is utilized or not in the lynch wagon by the way obvious coughing obvious coughing

[unwnd]

Would Lynch

Sheepsaysmeep
Bitbringer
AbuHumaid
NaCL
Creature

[Definitely Not Scum]

I would actually rather bitbringer and I know my partner would too.

Oh, perhaps my habitual pessimism was decided too soon? I dunno, it begs the question where everyone else who unvoted is at rn too

Make no mistake. All of our hopping was not because we townread bitbringer. I stand behind my case. Fb even in a way is playing to his scum meta that he linked for his Dunnstral scumread.

- OS

[Shadoweh]

It probably helps to know who is trying to lynch because they want a role and who is trying to lynch for no eventual discernable reason. Do you have a particular reason to think scum benefits from knowing people's targets either?

[popsofctown]

I am just confused by Shadoweh claim. I don’t see why town needs to know targets? Unless there is a clear indication that balance/alignment is dictated by our targets.

She is modmeta'ing that the role that investigates someone to learn their assassin target might upgrade to the role to investigate someone to learn their alignment. If she's right then sane cop is a bonkers strong role. It's not guaranteed she's right, it could get upgraded to "find out who that person wants to assassinate and also who it is that wants to assassinate them", or an entwined vanilla cop shot, or an entwined rolecop, etc.

The odds of getting upgraded in general are probably like, 40% by n3 in the dark? I am making numbers up. That seems good enough to draw the NK, I think. If it's not good enough to draw the NK it's not good enough that it should actually stop her lynch (pretty plausible for it to just have a scum rolecop upgrade path so it'd be mercy because the role draws the NK, not mercy because the role is town indicative)

[Definitely Not Scum]

It probably helps to know who is trying to lynch because they want a role and who is trying to lynch for no eventual discernable reason. Do you have a particular reason to think scum benefits from knowing people's targets either?

That’s a good point. The only answer I can assume is that it acts as a quasi rolecop. You target people over the course of the game and if any of their targets die, then you know that person has a power role now.

I don’t see how it helps to know if someone is pushing someone because they want a power? I would hope town are not pushing for someone’s death just because they want their power.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I am just confused by Shadoweh claim. I don’t see why town needs to know targets? Unless there is a clear indication that balance/alignment is dictated by our targets.

She is modmeta'ing that the role that investigates someone to learn their assassin target might upgrade to the role to investigate someone to learn their alignment. If she's right then sane cop is a bonkers strong role. It's not guaranteed she's right, it could get upgraded to "find out who that person wants to assassinate and also who it is that wants to assassinate them", or an entwined vanilla cop shot, or an entwined rolecop, etc.

The odds of getting upgraded in general are probably like, 40% by n3 in the dark? I am making numbers up. That seems good enough to draw the NK, I think. If it's not good enough to draw the NK it's not good enough that it should actually stop her lynch (pretty plausible for it to just have a scum rolecop upgrade path so it'd be mercy because the role draws the NK, not mercy because the role is town indicative)

This raises another good point. Shadoweh are you saying you don’t know your upgrade ability?

[popsofctown]

It probably helps to know who is trying to lynch because they want a role and who is trying to lynch for no eventual discernable reason. Do you have a particular reason to think scum benefits from knowing people's targets either?

That part's probably worth like a visitor and half a neighbor. Plus a paperclip and a handful of lint

[Definitely Not Scum]

I wonder if it’s worth upgrade claiming, but not target claiming.

[Dunnstral]

If we believe Shadoweh's claim then her target is probably town

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If we believe Shadoweh's claim then her target is probably town

Who’s their target?

[bitbringer]

UNVOTE:

I will talk to my other head.

-bit

[GuyInFreezer]

All targets were randomized unless stated otherwise.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

All targets were randomized unless stated otherwise.

That’s why I’m assuming they don’t mean that kind of target.

[Shadoweh]

This raises another good point. Shadoweh are you saying you don’t know your upgrade ability?

No, I'm pretty sure no one does since the op one doesn't. I thought the same thing as Dunnstral before seeing the randomize thing myself too.
The fact that my role -could- and most likely -will- become something way better is worth more then if it actually will when it comes to attracting bullets

[Shadoweh]

Uhm anyways I'm not sure OS would be brave enough to keep charging headfirst into me if he was scum knowing I was telling the truth, so that makes me feel better about him then my initial reaction to his hard suspicion. I'd be fine lynching bitbringer r/n. I'm trusting you guys that actually know Creature's aparent ez meta to tell me if we should be lynching him.

[Definitely Not Scum]

This raises another good point. Shadoweh are you saying you don’t know your upgrade ability?

No, I'm pretty sure no one does since the op one doesn't. I thought the same thing as Dunnstral before seeing the randomize thing myself too.
The fact that my role -could- and most likely -will- become something way better is worth more then if it actually will when it comes to attracting bullets

So let me get this straight...

You are not currently a vanilla townie.
Right now, you have the ability to choose someone each night and learn who their target is.
You also have an upgrade ability, but do not know what it is.
You speculate that the upgrade ability is a full cop.

Is that all correct?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

UNVOTE:

I will talk to my other head.

-bit

Since when does this hydra ever need to be on the same page about anything?

- OS