Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[jjh927]

It is infuriating me to do so because I am growing more confident that you're just being obtuse on purpose here, but I'm gonna try to actually engage with you here

[jjh927]

Alright I have a strong probability that jjh is scum trying to call me scum for claiming a pure role based on "there aren't pure roles this game"

Explain your logic here without referencing your own claim

[TemporalLich]

It's quite unlikely for a game to have all modified roles. Role Madness is one thing, but no pure roles is a bit more ridiculous and I wouldn't be surprised to see a pure role flip.

Calling me scum while claiming to know all roles have modifiers is an overconfident move that will easily be falsified with a pure role flip.

[jjh927]

It's quite unlikely for a game to have all modified roles.

This is actually the basis of my point.

Remember that this game was designed, and that design can have themes behind it.
When 5/13 of the role PMs I can see have a commonality like this, there's a strong likelihood of that being a common aspect of all roles in the setup.

[jjh927]

So, you not quite getting what I'm saying aside,

why does this particular push make me scum?

[TemporalLich]

Because you're trying to push me as scum because from your perspective I fake claimed my role when I am indeed a town inventor

[TemporalLich]

And you think I'm Disloyal or something

[jjh927]

One sec doing a double take

[jjh927]

Why is this not a perspective I can have as town

[TemporalLich]

Why is this not a perspective I can have as town

I said you have a strong probability of being scum...

Town could definitely assume with the weird choice of night actions I'm not pure, but the pushing is why I SR you.

[jjh927]

Okay but why does any of this make more likely to be scum than town

[jjh927]

This is getting on for textbook omgus tbh

[jjh927]

Like, I don't see a reason you've given here other than that you think I'm likely to be scum because I'm voting you.

You acknowledge my perspective, and recognise that my arguments make sense and can be made by town. However, me using these arguments to push you, when their logical conclusion is that you are scum, somehow indicates to you that I am scum. Do hypothetical town in your head not follow logic through to its end? Or are you just calling me scum because I am calling you scum?

[TemporalLich]

You're probably scummy for the "my role is a fakeclaim" push

Unless you honestly believe there are no pure roles despite my claim somehow, I think you are scum trying to get at me because it is easy.

[jjh927]

It's not my only push on you and it's probably my weakest, but it keeps coming back up because you repeatedly acknowledge it with denials

[jjh927]

Is there anything that indicates to you that I don't actually believe it

[TemporalLich]

If you want to push me for weird night actions... nothing is stopping you

[TemporalLich]

I don't have any evidence that supports either conclusion so I still have to SR you because honest belief there are no pure roles is NAI

[jjh927]

But how does that end in a scumread? I'm trying to see your thought process and there's just steps missing no matter how deep I look

[jjh927]

It looks like you're saying it's NAI but you're scumreading me for it

[TemporalLich]

without any evidence to push me to either side I have to default in between, which ends up being a SR for you

[jjh927]

That's stupid and you should be able to realise that's stupid

[TemporalLich]

stupid

wolfy response

[TemporalLich]

wow I somehow messed up the quote >_>

[jjh927]

I don't think I'm gonna be able to get any further down than this but I'll bite

What's scummy about me calling a nonsensical thought process stupid? We aren't superpositions of town and scum. You can't take a read on someone by averaging out possibilities you don't know the odds of