Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Dannflor]

Okay did he explain it in the mason pt to you?

We thought your pushes were fake and your angles were weird as shit

The best town case I’ve seen for Mena was Pops saying yesterday that his pushes were too moonlogicky to be wolf

but I don’t buy that

[Something_Smart]

I want to win this game

That shouldn't be your goal. Your goal should be to play well.

This is a team game, and your team has dropped the ball big-time. If you lose, and you probably will, it won't mean that you played badly; it may not even mean that you did anything wrong! (Of course you did do things wrong because nobody is perfect, but they were minor things.)

You really REALLY should not put a high value on winning this game. In addition to stressing you out it has a high chance of leading to disappointment and self-recrimination if you think that you could or should have been able to win it.

Just play the game, do what you can, and if you lose chalk it up to the boundary conditions of the universe

[Dannflor]

Mena, half your solve died last night

What’s your new one

[Alisae]

I want to win this game

That shouldn't be your goal. Your goal should be to play well.

This is a team game, and your team has dropped the ball big-time. If you lose, and you probably will, it won't mean that you played badly; it may not even mean that you did anything wrong! (Of course you did do things wrong because nobody is perfect, but they were minor things.)

You really REALLY should not put a high value on winning this game. In addition to stressing you out it has a high chance of leading to disappointment and self-recrimination if you think that you could or should have been able to win it.

Just play the game, do what you can, and if you lose chalk it up to the boundary conditions of the universe

BUT ITS SO WINNABLE
I JUST FEEL IT

[Something_Smart]

That feeling is exponentially more likely to be wrong the more scum remain. With five, even though each individual read may have a high probability of being right, in aggregate the odds are really not as good as you feel they are.

By all means, take your best shot. I'll help with that however I can... but don't expect that you'll get it right.

[Menalque]

Okay did he explain it in the mason pt to you?

We thought your pushes were fake and your angles were weird as shit

Do you think pine would encourage/want me to do that

Or more accurately do you think it’s more of an explanation that makes sense that I did that after agreeing it with pine and the rest of the scumteam or that my pushes were just bad and based on my own reasons

[Menalque]

Mena, half your solve died last night

What’s your new one

I don’t have one yet

[Alisae]

I’m going to try to sleep again.
I want to stay up just in case the mason replacement arrives because I want to give said person literally everything I can give them to help me, because at this point, I desperately need it, but I want to sleep and it might not be a bit so...

[Pine]

I was actually offering to accept a graceful surrender, but I could also tolerate a truce.

Your mental health (collectively) is more important to me than playing out the bitter end.

[Firebringer]

Ali should just pick someone to lynch and we lynch and if we lose we lose.

Stop getting all emotional about it, this game is not worth an ounce of feelings

[MariaR]

Ali should just pick someone to lynch and we lynch and if we lose we lose.

Stop getting all emotional about it, this game is not worth an ounce of feelings

Hell is freezing over I agree with da puppy for once

[Pink Ball]

Agree with the fire dog. How about another appreciation page?

[Alisae]

I CAN’T SLEEP
LOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Dannflor]

ali just tell us who to lynch

[Pine]

Agree with the fire dog. How about another appreciation page?

Agreed

[Alisae]

So my mason can die overnight?

[Pine]

Nah. Katslotki isn’t a priority.

[Alisae]

So let me get this straight
Instead of having a new mason, which is something I’ve wanted ever since my masons became non-existent since D3, I should just play kingmaker and decide a lynch for the day, without making sure people get fruit or anything?

And thats not a lose lose situation for me

[Pink Ball]

No, that's not ideal. Shake it off, wait for the replacement, let's chill for a while. We have time, we need motivation

[Pink Ball]

But we should start being straightforward with our reads and theories. I'll talk about this tonight

[Alisae]

Here is where I am at
I am starting to lean on tw being town. If tw’s amazing scum plan was to push a mason knowing it would not work out, then sure as hell fooled me
I think your 360 on mastina during D3 (Pink Ball) is town indicative.
I think Iconeum’s scumread on the worst is not something he would do if he was scum. Pine would probably tell Icon to not bring attention to himself and that kind of push brings attention to him. Not to mention you have people like Dannflor who are pushing it for being scum indicative when I really don’t think he’s scum, it just seems really uncoordinated to do something like that.
GE thinking the game is actually bastard is a town tell and scum don’t do that shit. They just don’t.

And Mena, while this being the weakest read, seems like he wants to try this phase and honestly, I just really want to townread it.

[MariaR]

You do know ali if we just want a scum lynch we lynch PP but that doesn't really help the game state

[Krazy]

I honestly care more about who is town atm then who is scum
let's start building a townbloc
SS, MariaR, Kats
lets start with those 3 for the foundation of our townbloc

alisae

Maria is uncc'd protective and obvtown (or at least this is how you seemed to want things to appear I guess)

Ss is conftown

There is a missing mason and it's not ss because otherwise ss does not get desperado'd basically with your blessing

You clearly wanted everyone to treat kats as the mason, but at the same time you:
A) wanted kats to continue trolling the town with a beloved princess claim
B) interrogated anyone who pointed out that the beloved princess claim was bullshit when it clearly was, effectively demoralizing people for calling out a bullshit claim.
C) have people solve and discuss the game in good faith
D) hide 1/6th of the living player's roles in mylo
E) not lead the lynch

so kats is *probably* the mason (which I figured out because of this one post given I can do math) but you won't confirm it making it hard to decide what the point or purpose of pages of people clearly getting frustrated with you shutting them down on kats.

That's gaslighting. Me calling you out on gaslighting the town is not me "not wanting to play the game" it's me getting frustrated with you obviously misleading us while still making the mason obvious. You were giving the scum more information than the town and forcing me to dance around your obvious and distracting softs.

Like we need something to solve with. It's one thing to hold all the cards and just declare a lynch, it's another to tell people in a 400 page game to keep solving while you're really obviously lying to them.

And then you bring up mastina of all fucking people and say you're going to sheep her because I'm not diving a lynch? I was trying to get us back to dann without gaslighting ico and duck for another ten pages. But at the same time wanting you to stop fucking with people means I "don't want to play". Yeah I guess I'm done

[MariaR]

We're not lynching Krazy ali.

[Something_Smart]

Maria why did you heal me N2?