Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello, I have some time on my hands so I'll do some cursory mod work. However I'd like to apologize for a small shortcoming I have realized. I seem to have not been vigilant in making sure schadd_ kept up the accoutrements of the game, especially the daystart PM specialization. If a large portion of you request I retroactively provide these for Day 2 and Day 3, I will do so. Otherwise I will simply advocate for the maintenance of this facility going forward. In addition I will consider writing flavor for existing and future flips, but know that I will for certain have flavor for the ending.

[Elbirn]

Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL

Mmmmmmmmm nope sorry

But for the sake of being productive what do you think about chemist

I don’t think they’re buddies bc I don’t think that scum!chem claims a soft clear here

I guess chem could maybe be scum but I don’t really have any reason to think so? Like idk why he claims the soft clear on jjh as scum, idk why he doesn’t just let us lynch him

Also just seems towny in my experience of chemsit

You know I didn't even mean to suggest thinking of them as buddies, just...chemist in a vacuum. Soft clearing JJ is a weird play as scum regardless of jj's alignment I'll agree. I think that if we're presuming 3p/traitor then scum needs a rolecop, hell they need one regardless in a role madness.

Chemist was also off the elements wagon in a scenario where scum could have feasibly stalled the lynch out, which I think they tried to do by counterwagoning on EP's slot, whiiich is why I really dont wanna lynch that slot or TL's. Like, the options yesterday were elements, ep, tl.

Pedit: shut the fuck up all of you I cant get a word in edgewise theres like a whole page now

[jjh927]

I'm less convinced again because of the other scenario where he just didn't want to distance or wifom because people might see through it

[Sujimichi]

Elements didn't claim a result because he didn't need to distance because he was already being bussed

So adorable, elbirn or suji?

I wasn’t voting elements when he claimed.

[Chemist1422]

Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL

Mmmmmmmmm nope sorry

But for the sake of being productive what do you think about chemist

I don’t think they’re buddies bc I don’t think that scum!chem claims a soft clear here

I guess chem could maybe be scum but I don’t really have any reason to think so? Like idk why he claims the soft clear on jjh as scum, idk why he doesn’t just let us lynch him

Also just seems towny in my experience of chemsit

You know I didn't even mean to suggest thinking of them as buddies, just...chemist in a vacuum. Soft clearing JJ is a weird play as scum regardless of jj's alignment I'll agree. I think that if we're presuming 3p/traitor then scum needs a rolecop, hell they need one regardless in a role madness.

Chemist was also off the elements wagon in a scenario where scum could have feasibly stalled the lynch out, which I think they tried to do by counterwagoning on EP's slot, whiiich is why I really dont wanna lynch that slot or TL's. Like, the options yesterday were elements, ep, tl.

Pedit: shut the fuck up all of you I cant get a word in edgewise theres like a whole page now

I have no idea how you reached the conclusion that scum need a rolecop to find 3p/traitor when they were literally given a bloodhound for that purpose

[mastina]

I still haven't figured out whether the way mastina talks about her scumgame is AI

Oh absolutely it is, though even I wouldn't really be able to tell you the difference. There's lots of nuances involved. Mood, free time, game environment, all play a part in determining the nature of the talk. If the talk is more out of boredom, then it's probably NAI. Where I'm addressing it because I might as well, I have no reason not to, it's a post to make a post. If the talk is meant to make a point on offense, where I more or less explain what scumastina is and why the point X is making is a misrep because of reason Y (more or less, it's hard to describe but really easy to show examples of), then it's town-indicative; if the talk is meant to defend myself and dissuade a wagon on me, it's not

inherently

scum-indicative, depending on mood and game environment; if I am ticked off, really want to fucking live, feel like there's damn fucking good reason I should live, and am fighting no holds barred, then it's also from town; if I'm calm, not ticked off, and yet am making that defense, it's probably scum-indicative. Again, very hard to

describe

the difference, but ridiculously easy to

show

.

[mastina]

why would elements claim a no result on jjh instead of a guilty?

If Elements legitimately got a no result, then claiming anything other than that would be risky.
Targeting jjh is likely indicative of jjh being town btw since scum aren't exactly going to target their scumbuddy with a sane cop.

Why would soas get shot? Why would TD get shot?

Because they were players who weren't going to push heavily for mislynches yet were players who weren't going to get lynched.

[mastina]

What I'm kinda interested in RN is what Mastina is seeing different here than my D1 in Krazy's anime upick

I mean.
Your D1 in Krazy's Anime UPick was the closest to your towngame but even then this is just a different jjh altogether.

[mastina]

My main concern is that if we mislynch TL today and scum has some sort of damage and they kill jjh + idk who
Then imo we’re in a really bad mylo tomorrow

Easy solution. The protective protects jjh and bam. jjh doesn't die. That simple.

[mastina]

Your options are I'm bussing my whole scumteam or I'm town, so.

I mean I do think you would do that, yes

You claim to have read my academy and yet you think I would double bus?

I call bullshit because I literally wrote the book on why you DON'T bus.

[mastina]

Elements didn't claim a result because he didn't need to distance because he was already being bussed

So adorable,

elbirn or suji

?

Take a guess.

[Menalque]

Your options are I'm bussing my whole scumteam or I'm town, so.

I mean I do think you would do that, yes

You claim to have read my academy and yet you think I would double bus?

I call bullshit because I literally wrote the book on why you DON'T bus.

I’ve read some of your academy, not the whole thing yet.

I hadn’t tead that one, and okay, I take your point.

[Menalque]

Elements didn't claim a result because he didn't need to distance because he was already being bussed

So adorable,

elbirn or suji

?

Take a guess.

I prefer suji I think although I haven’t been as much of a fan of elbirn’s recent posting

[eth0s]

I did ask that question as one of the things that convinced me he was telling the truth about his claim

it's too wifomy when you're the one bringing it up though. For all I know you guys discussed in the PT that a no result would seem like a most honest and worst case scenario result for him to claim given his role claim (giving him better odds at survival than a guilty or inno perhaps). And that the logic there would allow you to disengage from him and not be lynched today if he did eat rope.

Like it sounds kind of tinfoily but at the same time I really don't think that's a stretch.

[eth0s]

Side note:
can someone ELI5 TDs role to me?
what is a recruitable traitor?
I don't at all understand what the implication against elbirn is in jjh's "tinfoily" hot take

[eth0s]

sorry, spicy take*

[eth0s]

Eth0s are you finding it weird that neither of us is dead?

That was my first thought when I received the day started message but I dont like the most likely answer that comes to mind.

Then again soas was the first nk so I'm not sure what to make of the NKs yet collectively.

Yeah I’m p much in the same place

I kinda think the NK was either off us bc scum was worried we might have a protective or it was because I think we’ve been p cohesive and they’re trying to play off paranoia around that

I hadn't thought about the protective worry aspect but the paranoia play and mastina's thought on us being spared to mislynch a town!jjh are pretty compelling thoughts (potentially one in the same? hoping we either mislynch jjh or each other?). I guess I'm not that worried about it yet given these alternatives but if you're scum I'm going to hate you in post game for taunting me with this lol

[eth0s]

Why were you assuming that EP/suji was gonna be confirmed town adorable?

eth0s did not want to lynch EP on day 2 and I assumed EP was going to be confirmed next day. I still didn't understand what this was all about.

That’s a good point actually

Eth0s, what’re your current feelings around suji?

haven't changed except I'm worried that the replacement fucks up my only viable way to potentially solve the slot.

[eth0s]

(I don't make wifom kills.)

don't say shit like that please, for my sake

[Menalque]

Eth0s are you finding it weird that neither of us is dead?

That was my first thought when I received the day started message but I dont like the most likely answer that comes to mind.

Then again soas was the first nk so I'm not sure what to make of the NKs yet collectively.

Yeah I’m p much in the same place

I kinda think the NK was either off us bc scum was worried we might have a protective or it was because I think we’ve been p cohesive and they’re trying to play off paranoia around that

I hadn't thought about the protective worry aspect but the paranoia play and mastina's thought on us being spared to mislynch a town!jjh are pretty compelling thoughts (potentially one in the same? hoping we either mislynch jjh or each other?). I guess I'm not that worried about it yet given these alternatives but

if you're scum I'm going to hate you in post game for taunting me with this lol

Likewise fam

[Menalque]

Why were you assuming that EP/suji was gonna be confirmed town adorable?

eth0s did not want to lynch EP on day 2 and I assumed EP was going to be confirmed next day. I still didn't understand what this was all about.

That’s a good point actually

Eth0s, what’re your current feelings around suji?

haven't changed except I'm worried that the replacement fucks up my only viable way to potentially solve the slot.

Okay, shall we do TL then?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll assume by sheer lack of interest no one cares about retroactive sending of the special daystart PMs for Days 2 and 3. I'll ensure it happens for future Days, however.

[TemporalLich]

ISOed Suji... nothing special, just seems to the left of null..

[eth0s]

Eth0s I’m really gonna need you to talk about your EP thing today

the ball is in their court.

p-edit:

Why were you assuming that EP/suji was gonna be confirmed town adorable?

eth0s did not want to lynch EP on day 2 and I assumed EP was going to be confirmed next day. I still didn't understand what this was all about.

That’s a good point actually

Eth0s, what’re your current feelings around suji?

haven't changed except I'm worried that the replacement fucks up my only viable way to potentially solve the slot.

Okay, shall we do TL then?

I still don't like jjh. My thoughts on TL are largely the same as yesterday. I personally think lynching him isn't the best move right now but I could potentially compromise on it.

I think the pressure and discussion on jjh dissolved way too fast though. I'm sketched out by how quickly a slot like chemist is able to just kill the momentum there. Like I said, the setup speccing shit has done way more harm than good so far. I want chemist to keep his info under wraps for obvious reason but a scum bloodhound just flipped and I don't even understand TD's role so I'm not going to rely on a "his role wouldn't be a scum role" reasoning to disengage from jjh.

[TemporalLich]

jjh might end up being a UMiller for all I care... I'd still think jjh is scum