Mini 622 - Mind Screw Mafia - Das ist alles!

[iamausername]

Interesting. Vote count is inaccurate, but only in one aspect. FoS count is entirely accurate.

Going to try an

Unvote, Vote: Jenter

to see what happens.

[iamausername]

And a

Vote: Cavebear

, because who knows if unvoting is necessary or useful here?

[Battousai]

Actually, I think your question wasn't actually a paraphrase as it violated the quoted rule in post 19

[Korts]

My question wasn't quoting any private communication. I was merely asking about the format of the roles. But it seems stricter role-related rules are being enforced here than in Mostly Mountainous.

Also, iamausername, the vote count is wrong in multiple places.

[iamausername]

Also, iamausername, the vote count is wrong in multiple places.

Multiple places, but not multiple

aspects

- the names of voters are correct and in the correct places, and the numbers are also correct, just in the wrong places. At least, that's how it appears at the moment. Three votes might not be enough to say for sure.

[Tarhalindur]

Point of Order!

"The fate of the world depends on... a BASEBALL GAME?! *facepalm*"

I will note now that the omniscient sees no error in the First Vote Count. Nor does the omniscient see error in this one. Future Vote Counts will be less frequent. - Tar

EDIT: Except the "not voting" count. OOPS. -Tar

The Second Vote Count (aka the "Hmm..." Vote Count):

Vote Count:

Korts (0)
Battousai (0)
Jenter Brolincani (2) - iamausername
remussaidow (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Musher333 (1)
Macavenger (0)
Cavebear with a toothache (0)
Jex (0)
Nocmen (0)
Yosarian2 (0) - remussaidow, MafiaSSK
iamausername (0)

Not Voting (9): Korts, Battousai, Jenter Brolincani, remussaidow, MafiaSSK, Musher333, Macavenger, Cavebear with a toothache, Jex, Nocmen, Yosarian2, iamausername

Votes required to lynch: ???

FoS Count:

Korts (1) - Yosarian2
Battousai (0)
Jenter Brolincani (0)
remussaidow (0)
MafiaSSK (1) - Korts
Musher333 (0)
Macavenger (0)
Cavebear with a toothache (0)
Jex (0)
Nocmen (0)
Yosarian2 (1) - Korts
iamausername (0)

Current Deadline:

???

Next Mod Deadline Review:

???

End Point of Order!

[iamausername]

Also, iamausername, the vote count is wrong in multiple places.

Multiple places, but not multiple

aspects

- the names of voters are correct and in the correct places, and the numbers are also correct, just in the wrong places. At least, that's how it appears at the moment. Three votes might not be enough to say for sure.

Wait, I didn't notice the "Not voting" list. OK, two aspects.

I didn't see that one either... - Tar

Anyway, I think we can say for sure that the vote counts have a consistent logic to their structure at this point. How this relates to actual votes, I don't know.

[remussaidow]

guys, it looks like voting for yos puts a vote on jenter, jenter for musher. interesting.

[Battousai]

Iamausername is a double voter?, and you have to unvote to revote.

Or there's a 13th player we don't know about
Or at least one person can vote silently

[iamausername]

and you have to unvote to revote.

This part looks right. The rest, not so much.

Iamausername is a double voter?

Or there's a 13th player we don't know about
Or at least one person can vote silently

Check the first vote count, Jenter already had two before my vote. Seems to be that he receives Yosarian votes.

Korts -> ???
Battousai -> Yosarian2
Jenter Brocliani -> Musher333
remussaidow -> ???
MafiaSSK -> ???
Musher333 -> ???
Macavenger -> ???
Cavebear with a toothache -> ???
Jex -> ???
Nocmen -> ???
Yosarian2 -> Jenter Brocliani
iamausername -> ???

I think we're going to want to figure out where our votes will really end up, so

Unvote, Vote: Korts

. This may take a while.

[Battousai]

EBWOP:


remussaidow- voted yos2
iamausername- voted battousai
yos- fos korts
korts- fos yos
mafiaSSK- vote yos
korts- fos MssK

iamausername voted me, but didn't count, went to jenter?
mafiaSSK or remussaidow vote didn't count, went to jenter?

Korts (0)
Battousai (0) - iamausername
Jenter Brolincani (2)
remussaidow (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Musher333 (0)
Macavenger (0)
Cavebear with a toothache (0)
Jex (0)
Nocmen (0)
Yosarian2 (1) - remussaidow, MafiaSSK
iamausername (0)

Not Voting (9): Korts, Battousai, Jenter Brolincani, remussaidow, MafiaSSK, Musher333, Macavenger, Cavebear with a toothache, Jex, Nocmen, Yosarian2, iamausername

Votes required to lynch: ???

FoS Count:

Korts (1) - Yosarian2
Battousai (0)
Jenter Brolincani (0)
remussaidow (0)
MafiaSSK (1) - Korts
Musher333 (0)
Macavenger (0)
Cavebear with a toothache (0)
Jex (0)
Nocmen (0)
Yosarian2 (1) - Korts
iamausername (0)



remussaidow- voted yos2
iamausername- voted jenter
yos- fos korts
korts- fos yos
mafiaSSK- vote yos
korts- fos MssK


only difference iamausername unvoted, voted jenter. result musher333 1 vote, yas lost 1 vote

Korts (0)
Battousai (0)
Jenter Brolincani (2) - iamausername
remussaidow (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Musher333 (1)
Macavenger (0)
Cavebear with a toothache (0)
Jex (0)
Nocmen (0)
Yosarian2 (0) - remussaidow, MafiaSSK
iamausername (0)

Not Voting (9): Korts, Battousai, Jenter Brolincani, remussaidow, MafiaSSK, Musher333, Macavenger, Cavebear with a toothache, Jex, Nocmen, Yosarian2, iamausername

Votes required to lynch: ???

FoS Count:

Korts (1) - Yosarian2
Battousai (0)
Jenter Brolincani (0)
remussaidow (0)
MafiaSSK (1) - Korts
Musher333 (0)
Macavenger (0)
Cavebear with a toothache (0)
Jex (0)
Nocmen (0)
Yosarian2 (1) - Korts
iamausername (0)


Yas, you didn't answer my question. Do you have a mod rule in your pm?

[Cavebear with a toothache]

I think we're going to want to figure out where our votes will really end up

What'll be

really

interesting to see is who's eventually lynched; the guy with the votecount or the guy with the names. Or someone completely different. Also, I wonder if the votes will chain around in a circle or if they'll form two or more groups of linked people.

Vote: Musher333

Investigating FoS

FoS: Musher333

FoS: Musher333

[iamausername]

We're gonna need someone else to vote Korts or Musher before the next votecount (and no other votes) so we can tell which vote is which, by the way.

What'll be really interesting to see is who's eventually lynched; the guy with the votecount or the guy with the names.

Indeed. I'm betting on it being the former, at the moment, just because that would make things more difficult.

[Cavebear with a toothache]

We're gonna need someone else to vote Korts or Musher before the next votecount (and no other votes) so we can tell which vote is which, by the way.

Good point.

Unvote, vote: Korts

Now someone can vote on whoever they like. The next two people after that should vote first Korts (taking him to three) and the other person (to two) before anyone votes someone "new" again. Basically, don't let people be on the same number of new votes at the votecount.

[remussaidow]

unvote, vote: korts

we figured out where votes on yos go, I'll help with the next one.

[Yosarian2]

Also, the fact that the mod is keeping a FOS count implies that they probably have some effect on the game.

But yeah, we do need to figure this voting system out so we can sucessfully lynch someone, especally since the mod hinted in the rules that there could be short and unexpected deadlines.

[Tarhalindur]

Point of Order!

"And you don't seem to understand..."

The Third Vote Count (aka the "What is Happening?" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

Korts (0) - iamausername, cavebear with a toothache, remussaidow
Battousai (0)
Jenter Brolincani (1)
remussaidow (0)
MafiaSSK (3)
Musher333 (0)
Macavenger (0)
Cavebear with a toothache (0)
Jex (0)
Nocmen (0)
Yosarian2 (0) - MafiaSSK
iamausername (0)

Not Voting (8): Korts, Battousai, Jenter Brolincani, Musher333, Macavenger, Jex, Nocmen, Yosarian2

Votes required to lynch: ???

FoS Count:

Korts (1) - Yosarian2
Battousai (0)
Jenter Brolincani (0)
remussaidow (0)
MafiaSSK (1) - Korts
Musher333 (1) - Cavebear with a toothache
Macavenger (0)
Cavebear with a toothache (0)
Jex (0)
Nocmen (0)
Yosarian2 (1) - Korts
iamausername (0)

Current Deadline:

???

Next Mod Deadline Review:

???

End Point of Order!

[Macavenger]

There is no random vote.

Ok, some notes, since we really do need to work out a few things about the setup here:

From the FAQ being tagged as about Tarhalindur Mostly Mountainous, combined with the reference to Pascal's Wager, I'm thinking good practice would be to assume that the basic ruleset is similar, or possibly identical too, TMM. At least, we should be playing as if it is. Clearly, there are further rules on top of that. A couple specific things from the TMM ruleset that seem worht pointing out:

<6a> In a Normal game, the FoS count will have no effect on the game other than breaking voting ties at deadline. Theme games make no such guarantee.
<9> Each game day will begin with negotiable deadlines in place. Day 1 will begin with a four-week deadline, while all other days will begin with a two-week deadline. At the end of each week, if I find the activity level in the game acceptable and the week does not end with the deadline, then I will extend the deadline by one week, to a maximum of twice the original deadline (a maximum of 8 weeks for Day 1 and 4 weeks thereafter); the maximum deadlines are not retractable.

We can probably pretty safely assume that FoSs do have some significant game effect here. Assuming we have 4 weeks until deadline is probably less safe, but not a terrible starting point.

FoS: Korts
FoS: Batousai

Partly to test multiple FoSing, partly because I don't care for them trying to get information about other people's role PMs right off the bat.

[iamausername]

Updated list:

Korts -> MafiaSSK
Battousai -> Yosarian2
Jenter Brocliani -> Musher333
remussaidow -> ???
MafiaSSK -> ???
Musher333 -> ???
Macavenger -> ???
Cavebear with a toothache -> ???
Jex -> ???
Nocmen -> ???
Yosarian2 -> Jenter Brocliani
iamausername -> ???

Unvote, Vote: remussaidow

We now want someone else to vote with me, then someone to vote MafiaSSK, then a third on a remus, then a second on SSK, then one on Musher. And so on.

Although either Tar has made another error on the votecount, or this is more complicated than I thought, because apparently I'm simultaneously voting and not voting again. And Musher333 has a vote that doesn't seem to be accounted for.

Edit: That would be "Tar is screwing up the votecount. Again." - Tar

Also wondering if we can UnFoS, since it's quite possible that FoSes have some tangible effect here. I'll leave someone who's already used one to test that out, in case we can't, and they do.

[remussaidow]

I'll vote on ssk, but someone else has to vote for me first to get it to work.

I would self-vote, but I have a gut feeling that might end up being a very bad idea- it might actually count for myself, and then all sorts of numbers would screw up.

granted, this gut feeling may just be the 6 week old cake I just ate.

[Yosarian2]

iamausername: I can test unfosing. I'll wait until after then next votecount, though, just to see of Korts shows up with a FOS count of 2 first.

[Cavebear with a toothache]

Un-FoS: Musher333

Unvote, vote: remussaidow

[Tarhalindur]

Point of Order!

"Do YOU know where your towel is?"

The Fourth Vote Count (aka the "Keep the Game Moving" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

Korts (0) - remussaidow
Battousai (0)
Jenter Brolincani (1)
remussaidow (0) - iamausername, cavebear with a toothache
MafiaSSK (1)
Musher333 (0)
Macavenger (2)
Cavebear with a toothache (0)
Jex (0)
Nocmen (0)
Yosarian2 (0) - MafiaSSK
iamausername (0)

Not Voting (8): Korts, Battousai, Jenter Brolincani, Musher333, Macavenger, Jex, Nocmen, Yosarian2

Votes required to lynch: ???

FoS Count:

Korts (2) - Yosarian2, Macavenger
Battousai (1) - Macavenger
Jenter Brolincani (0)
remussaidow (0)
MafiaSSK (1) - Korts
Musher333 (0)
Macavenger (0)
Cavebear with a toothache (0)
Jex (0)
Nocmen (0)
Yosarian2 (1) - Korts
iamausername (0)

Current Deadline:

???

Next Mod Deadline Review:

???

End Point of Order!

[remussaidow]

votes on me go to mac

unvote, vote:mafiassk

[iamausername]

And UnFoSing works. Excellent.

Unvote, Vote: MafiaSSK

.

Next person should be voting Musher.

Korts -> MafiaSSK
Battousai -> Yosarian2
Jenter Brocliani -> Musher333
remussaidow -> Macavenger
MafiaSSK -> ???
Musher333 -> ???
Macavenger -> ???
Cavebear with a toothache -> ???
Jex -> ???
Nocmen -> ???
Yosarian2 -> Jenter Brocliani
iamausername -> ???