Open 74 - C/9ths (Game Over!) before 601

[armlx]

"if I was cop/doc, this is who I investigated/protected."

I dunno about that for docs until we have a no kill, but hypo coping is debatable.

[Elmo]

Day 2, Vote Count #7

donkeyz12212 (3) <- TheSweatpantsNinja, sideney, Lowell
Eldritch Lord (2) <- ZombieSlayer54, armlx
DarlaBlueEyes (2) <- Eldritch Lord, donkeyz12212
Mokina <- DarlaBlueEyes

Not Voting: Iron Man, Mokina.
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

[armlx]

Hmm, just realized we are looking at 2 scum out of 12, not 3.

Doesn't change that much, but it makes things easier I guess.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I am catching up guys had a busy few days and a birthday today, will post asap

[Lowell]

donkey, eldritch, and DBE having all the votes is a good thing.

[Mokina]

"if I was cop/doc, this is who I investigated/protected."

I dunno about that for docs until we have a no kill, but hypo coping is debatable.

Hypo cop'ing would break the game, I think. Good for the town, though. Hypo doc'ing would just be stupid.

[armlx]

Hypo-doccing is actually really bad. We should never do that. I just remembered that if we do it will reveal the doc if there is a no kill.

Hypo-copping is awkward in that we can assume a cop with a guilty would reveal usually, and if someone says one of the mafia they know they aren't the cop.

[Mokina]

Hypo-copping is awkward in that we can assume a cop with a guilty would reveal usually, and if someone says one of the mafia they know they aren't the cop.

That close to a lynch, it wouldn't much matter. It makes a lot of sense for L-1 cops to claim their role in this game, if only to provide a list of confirmed innocents.

[Mokina]

Hypo-doccing is actually really bad. We should never do that. I just remembered that if we do it will reveal the doc if there is a no kill.

But... I totally agree with you here. Stupid choice for the town.

[armlx]

That close to a lynch, it wouldn't much matter. It makes a lot of sense for L-1 cops to claim their role in this game, if only to provide a list of confirmed innocents.

I'm confused. We are talking about 2 different things i think.

Hypo-cop/doc is saying "If I was cop/doc, I would have targeted X last night".

[Mokina]

What we might want to do is have every player, prior to lynch, say "if I was cop/doc, this is who I investigated/protected."

Talkin' about this. Seems like a good plan, at least for cops. If the cop is ever cardflipped or otherwise exposed, we review the hypos and find who they actually investigated. We then assume said investigees are innocent.

[armlx]

Again, the issue of people giving innocents on scum or guilty on townies comes up, as they are automatically not cops.

[armlx]

EBWODP: Rather rely on standard cop bread crumbs for that reason.

[Mokina]

Good point. And if cops try to subvert that by giving false results, they hurt the town.

Okay, toss hypo.

[armlx]

Okay, toss hypo.

Agree. Hypo is only really good as a pre-nght measure with roles that die when they target scum (hider, weak doc) or in deathyish scenarios.

[Eldritch Lord]

All of this game theory is pretty interesting...

I'm glad I'm learning quite a bit from more experiences MS members.
DBE--I lightly touched on some concerns regarding your play thusfar, and am still waiting on your answer for when you are all caught up.

[Iron Man]

On the semi-current meta debate:

I whole heartedly say that meta is never good. Make your decisions based on how the person plays in that game. Not how they play in others. Every game should be considered a completely separate entity from every other game, because, for all intents and purposes, it is.

I always need to say that whenever meta comes up.

Dun use it people. Seriously.

I see where your coming from by saying that each game should be treated as a seperate entity, but I agree with the others in that if you know that such and such player has a certain scumtell or towntell unique to that player, then it should be looked at. Say Jonny Q always vote hops Day 1 when he is town in other games, then that should be looked for when playing new games with him. Granted, Johhny Q may become aware of this and use it to his advantage, but it always good to look at a persons playstyle and use it to read them better.

Oh, and this theory conversation is a little confusing, but I like the plan armlx.

[farside22]

Just wanted to stop and say hi. I will be taking over for Monika starting tomorrow. As weekend are usually busy for me. I probably won't have my own analysis till Monday.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Note: Regarding hypo claims, I'm talking about as a L-1 claim, not as something everyone should do.

[Mokina]

Note: Regarding hypo claims, I'm talking about as a L-1 claim, not as something everyone should do.

Claims make a lot more sense at L-1. In C/9ths, a roleclaim at that oiubt probably won't prevent a kill, but we should agree not to hammer without one anyway. If a player is about to be lynched and is a cop, giving a list of investigated players will help the town after the cardflip regardless.

[Mokina]

at that oiubt

EBWOP: "at that point..."

[ZombieSlayer54]

On the actually current Hypo debate:

Yeah. Hypo is bad, mkay?

If someone hypo-doctors, then, chances are, scum will find them out, and NK them the next chance they get.

The same applies to hypo-copping. Not to mention the ability to give false results via hypo-copping. That is always bad.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

Here's how I'm seeing things:

Mokina -- IGMEOY however!! I am liking a lot of the play you have been putting forth recently, and the fact you are being replaced, I am going to

unvote

but you have quelched a lot of my suspicions and problems with you play in recent activity. 70% scum

armlx -- *making sure I am in right game* I find you agressvely scum hunting, tho some of your methods are new to me, (hypo claim) over-all you give off a very townie persona. 60% town

donkeyz - I can't decide, if he is n00b town or n00b scum, I lean towards the latter but have very little that isnt OMGUSy (coming from me) to support it . You also seem really concerned with not looking scummy. -- 60% scum

Zombie - Also more on the town side of things IMO, If I had to bet, I'd probably put you at the MOST townie player here so far, I am not a big poster and im tired as hell so if you want to know why go read back. 80% town

Lowell -- I would like more activity from you and for you to take the game more seriously. Your flippant attitude is a bit unnerving. No good read. 50/50

EL -- I still find you incredibly scummy for all the points outline in my long post D1 and your extreme wishy-washyness, you vote and FOS hop a lot, and im sick of the thats true scum hunting excuse. It seems to me you are testing the waters to see if you can get the town to bandwagon with you. Interesting how often Mokina and TSN do so. You ask why I think I am gonna die? because prior to armlx's replace and the lurkers becoming active I was the most agressive in my attacks on you and mokina (as opposed to yours and hers wishy washy any way the wind blows attacks) Typically the most threatening players to the scum die. 80% scum

TSN -- You are an incredibly hard read. I don't like your playstyle, the voting with little or no reason. You have some very credible points, but you also have a lot of experience which tbh makes me nervous and unsure of you. I lean towards you being scum but you aren't as high as mokina or EL on my list. 50% scum

Sidney -- apart from lurking I am pretty sure he is town, looking back he had a few bandwagony votes on D1 but he hasn't done anything I'd consider a slip. I would like more activity, although your recent increase is nice. 60% town

Iron Man -- (Irene ) You too have been a bit lurky, and may be the one i have the least to go on with, You're posts have generally been pretty neutral, and avoiding attention. Trying to be a voice of reason which isnt necessarily bad, but its really throwing me from reading you. I am gonna say im divided, but I would tilt you to the scum side ever so slightly. 55% scum

[DarlaBlueEyes]

ebwop:

vote: EL

[sideney]

Okay, So sidney, what is your case again me?

I accuse Darla of jumping on votes on D1. She calls me newb and that I mean good but its a wrong vote?

And she's gaining suspicions this round and I refer back to D1 and I'm scum for that?

And Lowell, what are you voting me for? It just seems you just hopped on in order to start the wagon against me.

Mokina and EL, and TSN are driving the game and have almost always the same thinking and only DarlaBlueEyes was really thinking different from those two. To me, seems that you want eliminate the only voice out of the choir.