Mini 2090 CYS: AtmosFEAR of Terrors

[Katsuki]

IDK if lexi anticipated high activity messing with her setup but it'd be nice if we had fast forward buttons XD

says the one who wants every lynch to be a turbolynch

YES BEAUCSE WANTING A VC TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT SO THAT WE CAN SEE HOW TO BEST ORGANIZE = WANTING TURBOLYNCH

THO I DO WANT YOUR BLOOD BUT THATS A SEPARATE ISSUE

[Katsuki]

first of all, i never fucking said i had a key

so where the fuck you even got that from is beyond me

the rest is just the sleep deprivation making me want to tear your head off your still living shoulders for wording your response that way


i think you owe me an apology.

YOU COULD JUST TEAR HIS HEAD OFF
WOULD BE MUCH EASIER THAT WAY

[Not Known 15]

first of all, i never fucking said i had a key

so where the fuck you even got that from is beyond me

the rest is just the sleep deprivation making me want to tear your head off your still living shoulders for wording your response that way


i think you owe me an apology.

I mean you're definitely gonna have to save a lynch to banish me before the well of souls but that's getting ahead of yourself

Why do we need to banish you before the well of souls, then?

Because I can't imagine the rest of your scum team wants you bringing me along
The

Why would I, if I were scum, have to lynch you?

[TemporalLich]

I think we can play the game without being blood-frenzied demons

[kuribo]

Why would I, if I were scum, have to lynch you?

because I've spent twelve years tearing bad scum like yourself to pieces

[kuribo]

I think we can play the game without being blood-frenzied demons

how


like legit question

[TemporalLich]

I think we can play the game without being blood-frenzied demons

how


like legit question

Think about things, discuss your feelings and emotions, make plans, and don't make rash decisions like powerlynching.

[TemporalLich]

And the most important thing of not acting like blood-frenzied demons: We have time units, and we should not be afraid to use them

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Event Vote

53

GreyICE (3)- Kuribo, Skygazer, GreyICE
Temporal Lich (2)- MariaR, Katsuki
Alisae (2)- Alisae, Hebichan
Implosion (2)- Implosion, Plum
NK15 (1)- Temporal Lich
Not Voting (1)- , NK15,

There are 3 Time Units left until the game begins and votes are locked!

[TemporalLich]

3 time units before the thunderdome gets locked in...

I don't know why NK15 isn't in yet...

[Not Known 15]

Why would I, if I were scum, have to lynch you?

because I've spent twelve years tearing bad scum like yourself to pieces

Every time we lynch someone and banish them, scum can banish a person they choose. Which is a good reason to get the keys as fast as possible and then to open the Well of Fears; unless, of course, the keyholders are untrustworthy.

[GreyICE]

I guess I see the point that TL hasn't taken risky stances much but I think that's not surprising from town in this game. It took me a while to form like any material opinions in this game. I like 150, particularly calling one of Pine's posts a possible townslip; not a likely scum->scum interaction, and not something that i think scum points out if they see town do it (even if the townslip itself is bunk). 235 isn't a bad post either imo. 281 feels like a genuine thought that scum wouldn't think as much about, and I don't really buy that he's scum avoiding giving reads since he has now given a full reads list, justified them, and given decent answers to questions about why he has those reads. I think the way he's been scumreading katsuki is reasonable, and that katsuki is a really easy person to scumread in general if you aren't familiar with him.

Again, it's not a strong read. There are things that give me pause. 281 could potentially be scum who are more aware of the fact that scum only need one key to win because they're thinking about their own win condition, and his tone feels kinda bad in a lot of places. It's not a read I'm wed to.

You know, I was going to do a point by point on why this is bad, but that's not the point at all. My thoughts here is that this post is backfill reasoning. It's what you would get if you started with the premise "TL feels town" and then went through his ISO to justify that premise. I'm going to point out a few logical flaws here.

For instance, 150 looks like a weak fish about to think about jumping off the Pine wagon, or just general thoughts and feelings. It's not a good post, or one that sells me on much of anything (and for all I know, Pine or TL could be third party, and thus unaffiliated - or there could be two scum factions, this being a CYS which can lean heavy on scum/3P picks). 235 was AWFUL. "I don't want to scumread Alisae because Deathtunneling Pine (

the person his vote is currently on

) feels scummy" What is that exactly is good or compelling about this? The townread thing from 281 could be a genuine thought - one made before the game started. There was plenty of time to read the rules and think about the setup before you even read your role PM, and I think TL is the sort of person who enjoys that. But it does come across as mighty convienent. He didn't do much to share that, or to convince other players not to give townreads. Which could be a more passive personality. But conspicuously not pushing the town to do something he states is probably advantageous to the town is not a town read.

So you know I hate shit that is not genuine. But at the same time, Implosion, I think you were "called out" (not really my intent, but did come across that way) on a throwaway opinion you tossed out there. You then reacted predictably, by backfilling why you thought that, when my intent was really to ask if it was as true as you thought it was. So I'm going to ask that you take a long, genuine look at TL, and tell me what you think. Especially noting his vote was parked on Pine during the entire Pine wagon, and his interactions around it.

[GreyICE]

Every time we lynch someone and banish them, scum can banish a person they choose. Which is a good reason to get the keys as fast as possible and then to open the Well of Fears; unless, of course, the keyholders are untrustworthy.

*blink*

I'm trying to decide if this is the biggest town slip I've ever seen in my entire life, or if you're a mad genius.

[TemporalLich]

I haven't voted Pine...

[GreyICE]

Ah, that was plum.

Which... makes even less sense. You basically sat with your vote parked on someone who... is anyone scumreading Plum? You never even talked to her. I assume it was an RVS vote, but you then sat there wringing your hands all day.

[GreyICE]

Wait, that makes zero sense. There's no RVS phase in this game, because there's no real reason to have one. Outside of initial "hi here we are" crap, you should have some basic scumreads just from the player list. Did you think Plum would pick scum? Had you played with any of these players before? Did you have any thoughts on who might have picked scum?

[TemporalLich]

Wait, that makes zero sense. There's no RVS phase in this game, because there's no real reason to have one. Outside of initial "hi here we are" crap, you should have some basic scumreads just from the player list. Did you think Plum would pick scum? Had you played with any of these players before? Did you have any thoughts on who might have picked scum?

I have not played with Plum before. 68 explains my vote on Plum, and I didn't move due to me thinking Pine was being deathtunneled.

I've played with Gamma Emerald, Skygazer, and MariaR before... They don't strike me as scum pickers.

[implosion]

You know, I was going to do a point by point on why this is bad, but that's not the point at all. My thoughts here is that this post is backfill reasoning. It's what you would get if you started with the premise "TL feels town" and then went through his ISO to justify that premise. I'm going to point out a few logical flaws here.

I mean... this isn't wrong? It *is* me back-justifying a gut townread on the slot. And I wasn't really trying to hide that?

Like I said, it's not a strong read. It's not one I'm going to actively proselytize for, but his play doesn't strike me as particularly scummy and i think there are reasons to townread him that do have some material weight.

[MariaR]

I'm fine with where these votes are at

[kuribo]

Thanks for your valuable insight, ya lurkaderp

[Katsuki]

I think we can play the game without being blood-frenzied demons

how


like legit question

Think about things, discuss your feelings and emotions, make plans, and don't make rash decisions like powerlynching.

POWERLYNCHING =/= RASH DECISIONS LOL
POWERLYNCHING IS A RESULT OF SUPERIOR SCUMHUNTING SKILLS

[Katsuki]

THESE VOTES ARE INDEED FINE

[kuribo]

Think about things, discuss your feelings and emotions, make plans, and don't make rash decisions like powerlynching.

It's like you're speaking a foreign language

And Katsuki is right, powerfucking a scum read is a beautiful thing, there's a difference between acting rashly and getting the work done efficiently

[GreyICE]

You know, I was going to do a point by point on why this is bad, but that's not the point at all. My thoughts here is that this post is backfill reasoning. It's what you would get if you started with the premise "TL feels town" and then went through his ISO to justify that premise. I'm going to point out a few logical flaws here.

I mean... this isn't wrong? It *is* me back-justifying a gut townread on the slot. And I wasn't really trying to hide that?

Like I said, it's not a strong read. It's not one I'm going to actively proselytize for, but his play doesn't strike me as particularly scummy and i think there are reasons to townread him that do have some material weight.

I'd prefer you to take a closer look and give a more nuanced answer. While it may or may not affect my read on TL, depending on the content, saying "it's my gut, and I don't really care if you wagon a town read for one of our five lynches" does effect my read on you. Which is a thread I'll probably follow up on when we're getting closer to having another lynch and this isn't all just circle jerking.

[GreyICE]

Can I also mention what a fucking useless platitude "don't do rash things like powerlynching" is? What, if someone likes picking scum in a CYS, is acting scummy, claims scummy, and doesn't show any signs of becoming a useful or contributing member, we should hold off lynching them because... I dunno, we like standing around with our dicks in our hands?

It's not like there's even any useful alternatives for what we should be doing with the time. And moreover, it's done. Maybe in the deliberate aftermath you chide people, but what's done is done. At this point it's past NAI (as the kids nowadays are calling it) and into "deliberately dragging it out." Water under the bridge. I've kvetched about bad lynches before, but at this point it's just whining for the sake of making noise - noise which contributes nothing to any substantial decision you have to make.

A good rule of scum is that if I could go over to "Mafia Discussion" and make a post that's substantially identical to the one made in a game, the post was a waste of words that exists for the purpose of being townie, and makes me want to lynch you (Newbies aside, of course). And to bring this around YEAH TL I WANT TO HANG YOU MORE.