Thesp wrote:It doesn't seem unreasonable at all - I'm also a big proponent of unreadability as town. Scum are trying to power-role-hunt, and you don't want to provide them information if at all possible. (For example, in one game I was able to accurately predict Internet Stanger as a doctor based on what he
didn't
say about some role-related discussion. Town doesn't want to give away what their abilities, and in particular townies want to make the scum
think
they have abilities (as the best thing a townie can do is get nightkilled by scum while a useful ability remains alive). I don't think Gaspar's approach here is unreasonable in the least.
Ok, reflecting on a past game, I might concede a bit on that point, but I feel it's purely a metagame factor. It's still kind of backward, more so because Gaspar essentially based his entire read of OGML on it. It looks like an easy way to clean one's hands of responsibility, which is lazy for town and wonderfully opportune for scum.
Thesp wrote:Looking back, I'm not sure he was "equally guilty of this" - he did flip his condorcet back to having FaerieLord over both (which is where his vote ended).
I think his change back to FL came too late to have lead to a lynch. My feeling on this comes more from the fact that FL wasn't that far behind MM at the time (1 vote, I think) he switched in the first place. Posting his case against FL at that point probably would have been more effective.
Thesp wrote:As far as distancing goes, it would be highly unusual here - he calls serious attention on a player who hasn't gotten a lot, at a time when another SCAPE player has some significant attention. If Gaspar is SCAPE, he's got more ample opportunity to bus Niv, and it seems awkward for him to go after FaerieLord here.
Gaspar gave Niv a pass and I believe it was largely based on FL being revealed as scum.
Thesp wrote:It's not impossible for him to have done so, but when it comes to bussing theories, I think they get overplayed to the detriment of good scumhunting - it looks far more like uncovering scum than taking a partner out.
Sure, if it was bussing it was hardcore. But possibly distancing isn't the only gripe I've got with Gaspar.
Thesp wrote:I see you never commented on MichelSableheart's claim yourself. What do you think of it? I'd like to see specific comment regarding his implied day ability he initially asserted.
I think that's a null tell, and with good reason. I don't believe he actually implied that he had a day ability, but only that he may have one. I thought dwelling on that was getting superfluous, although Michel's seems to be consistently thorough and detailed. Still, if anything, it seems over-emphasised to me.
At the time he claimed, I hadn't read Day 2 or seen his hammer of OGML. I think his speculation about ckd and OGML becoming masons was a reach and feel that as scum, he was falling back on that to justify his hammer. I believe he could have faked his claim and don't believe it was enough to excuse his hammer, which is why I find your and Gaspar's backing away from Michel after his claim too generous to be completely kosher.
I've also found Michel's setup speculation iffy, generally.
Thesp, what was it that MBL said than you were refering to here:
Thesp wrote:MichelSableheart wrote:What did MBL do to make you feel better?
He said something which is far more often said by town than by scum.
Gaspar, do you think Rogueben is SCAPE?
Do you think there are players whose deaths would be more informative than Rogueben's?
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