Mafia 81: SSW II - Game over!

[OhGodMyLife]

btw what makes you say muffinhead is highly likely town?

Vote count

(8 players alive = 5 to lynch before deadline)
(1) Grimmy – OhGodMyLife,

Not voting:

Battle Mage, farside22, Grimmy, Jenter Brolincani, Mr. Flay, muffinhead, SpyreX

Deadline:

Friday 20 June 1:00 AM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Battle Mage]

Tracker results:
N1: farside goes nowhere
N2: eek goes to rogue shenanigans
N3: eek goes to grimmy

If you really think I

knew

that xyzzy was scum any more than you seem to

know

I'm scum you need to read day one again. And if you really think somebody would bus the mafia RECRUITER before the lynch became inevitable you're just wrong.

thanks, but ive read it quite well ty. I suggest if u want to plead ur innocence, u get a third opinion?
And in my mind, the lynch was pretty inevitable when u arrived on the scene and properly bussed. obv, it was better for you to be on the wagon than off it at first, in case it did escalate, which it did, at which point u got more aggressive.

BM

[farside22]

Tracker results:
N1: farside goes nowhere
N2: eek goes to rogue shenanigans
N3: eek goes to grimmy

If you really think I

knew

that xyzzy was scum any more than you seem to

know

I'm scum you need to read day one again. And if you really think somebody would bus the mafia RECRUITER before the lynch became inevitable you're just wrong.

Would you care for some cheese with that wine? I could see a scum buddy doing that to look town. Why not? Sure you don't get the recuits going, but you look hella town for doing it. My suspicion on you is your the there can't be two trackers and two berserker comments. You wanted to keep killing them.
@BM: I believe OMGL was being sarcastic. If not then him wanting you to kill a confirmed townie adds to my suspcion against OMGL even more.

[OhGodMyLife]

So the right time to bus your scumpowerrole partner is when he's got only two other votes on him, one of which is random? Good to know you think that for future reference. I do not think that lynch would have happened at all if I hadn't been pushing for it like I did.

Scum recruiter = more powerful than looking hella town. Xyzzy was by no means an assured lynch at the top of page 2 when I started into him.

And BM, please:

btw what makes you say muffinhead is highly likely town?

[Grimmy]

Popping in for a second to put a post.
Yes I know it seems scummy, but im putting quicknotes in most my games due to work.

More later, Im avoiding a prod at the moment, not your accusations.

Grimmy

[Jenter Brolincani]

I will not be here from now until Friday, so I will miss the end of the day.

Please do not replace me, I like this game

I may check in before then, but I do not feel certain enough to send in a kill atm so my action may well go unused tonight.

OGML, why do you want me to shoot a claimed power role as opposed to getting him to track someone, then tracking him? That would clear him well enough.

[Mr. Flay]

Jenter, I wish you'd at least send in a conditional kill. Not using your power at this point, since you're essentially confirmed town, is ASKING to be nightkilled by the scum.

Are we going to try to lynch a townie claim today, or what? Just trying to sort if we think it's worth going No Lynch to gain more information tonight...

[SpyreX]

Ohh game, now I get to do something I was railing on someone for doing before, defending another player!

So, lets just get this ball a rollin'

Spyrex’s explanation in post 39 makes no sense, and undermines the defence of him which was on the grounds that he just made a mistake.

If it doesn't make any sense to you, thats fine. It was an obvious joke after my other jokes that I was, in fact, trying to make fit the kind of paranoia often seen in these games. I didn't care about undermining my 'defense' because it was pretty damn obvious that I was, in fact, joking in context. I was just explaining the joke for Korts.

Post 99 by OGML stinks of setting up multiple lynches.

No kidding? What tipped you off..the fact he said it outright? Based on how that day was going, OGML wasn't the only one thinking just that. I sure as hell was.

He originally claims that he doesn’t want to vote for Xyzzy yet, but under pressure from OGML, concedes promptly, without fulfilling his originally stated intention of ‘waiting for Xyzzy to defend himself’

I did put my vote in and I clearly said I didn't agree with his methods. However, I agreed with him that ZZ was scummy and THAT is why I put my vote down.

Also, look at the day 2 exchange between Rogue and OGML early on. Rogue claims tracker saying someone went to farside, OGML calls BS because he was the tracker and went to farside and farside didn't go anywhere.

In this exchange, for OGML to be sucm:
1.) He took a gamble that Rogue was talking about him (fairly likely, honestly).
2.) He took a gamble that farside didn't go anywhere (with the number of power roles, highly unlikely)
3.) If he was wrong about farside, he would have hung that day, flat out - it was early enough along that outing himself for this as tracker served no purpose.

And, seriously, to think that it would have been better for OGML out of the gates to bus his Recruiter in a game where we have this many power roles is just, to me, silly. If we hadn't nailed the recruited day 1 I honestly think we would have lost - ESPECIALLY if you are telling the truth and there was a potential 3 vigs to be absorbed into the black morass.

Even with all that aside, I dont agree 100% with OGML's plan. You are right, and you are confirmable. I want you to confirm with a bullet versus a track (which you could lie about a whole lot easier).

Hell, I'll lay out my whole specific plan now for everyone to see.

Today:
Lynch Grimmy
Jenter shoot muffin
BM shoot ME (yep, I'm one of your scum targets and I'm giving you what you want because, in my mind, I'm WAY less confirmed than some of the others).
OGML track Flay.

If muffin is alive (which I doubt) then I'd push for a lynch on Jenter tomorrow.
If I'm alive (which is a much higher chance) then BM tomorrow.
If there are only two kills and we get proper flavor and both of us were shot then...flay or farside (depending on OG's tracking report)
If If there are only two kills and one is a mafia kill, well... easy as pie.
If there are three kills then it would be flay or farside (depending on OG's tracking report).
In this situation, if OGML IS actually mafia I think he's still boned - Jen and BM and farside will be cleared. Thats enough to keep him from being able to pull it off. Of course, I still hold to jaw-dropping if OGML is mafia.

The only losing situation, really, is if there are two mafia left.

Take a look and poke some holes (is it uncouth to ask the mod how flavor on death is - this is REALLY dependent on that).

[Jenter Brolincani]

Last game as scum I wasn't allowed conditional kills, Flay, so I doubt I'll be allowed one now.

Spyre - why Muffin?

[Jenter Brolincani]

Talk to me about the NK peeps - you have until 9:30 tonight GMT (45 mins) before I need to close the computer down and go to bed.

[OhGodMyLife]

Conditional night choices aren't allowed, I'll vouch for that as well.

I like Spyrex's plan actually.

BM still needs to tell us why he thinks muffin is pro town

[Jenter Brolincani]

As long as BM agrees with the plan I'm happy to shoot Muffin.

[Jenter Brolincani]

I think I can get on on Thurday night, so I'll check then.

I'm sending in to kill Muffin now though.

[SpyreX]

Jenter,

the only reason its muffin is because muffin, much like me is an unknown.

Honestly, I expect muffin and I to be town sacrifices. I really think the maf is Grim or BM.

Flay - I am against the nolynch. UNLESS there are two mafia's left and BOTH mafia are in the subset of (OGML, Flay, Farside) this is a better situation since it eliminates more unknowns.

I am voting for Grimmy - I just haven't done it yet to allow more talk to go through before a sneeky powerlynch.

[Jenter Brolincani]

vote grimmy

bye guys.

[Mr. Flay]

Mod: Vote Count

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[farside22]

I agree with said plan. Gets rid of townies and power roles are more then revealed at that point. I agree with Grimmy as the play for today' lynch. BM needs to be on board with this before the day ends.

[Grimmy]

Since it is my head on the chopping block, i want to know.

After im shown to be a townie, who does this implicate?

I think that there may be two of each role, but one for each side.

Also, for some reason I cannot put into words, I actually suspect Mr Flay.

I have had doubts about him since the begining. He seems to be calling the shots from the sidelines and watching us kill each other. The same strategy worked in the first SSW game, and seems to be a running theme in alot of mafia games im in.

Ah well.

Full Disclosure.
Im a werewolf, but the oldest one in town. As such, I would appear human if investigated, due to hair loss and such (seriously!). This is the reveal I was referring a few days ago. That is why I thought it would make sense to have two trackers in our town. Because investigating me would give a false positive and work against the town.

Since I do not expect to last the day, I bid you adieu.
grimmy
Town elder.

[SpyreX]

Grimmy,

Just your playstyle is why you were the sacrifice (if you are not scum) - that, and, really you are like me an unknown in this plan.

I want to KNOW that everyone has confirmed their part before I vote.

Jenter - Sent in.
BM - ?
OGML - ?

[OhGodMyLife]

I've got my night action set. Lynch away.

[SpyreX]

Just waiting on BM to say he's gonna shoot me.

[muffinhead]

Wait a minute. Why am i getting vigged tonight?
This is the only reason ive heard so far.

Jenter,

the only reason its muffin is because muffin, much like me is an unknown.

Honestly, I expect muffin and I to be town sacrifices. I really think the maf is Grim or BM.

Now thats ridiculous. U want me dead as a town sacrifice? We want to keep as many townies as possible.

I would like to see grimmy lynched then ogml killed at night. Dont really care who the other is and if u really want to lynch me then so be it as long as ogml and grimmy are dead by the next day.

These people for me are confirmed townies.

spyerx
flay
farside

If everything goes to plan then there should be 4 deaths by the end of the night. Otherwise either jenter or bm are scum (or possibilly both).

[SpyreX]

Still waiting for BM to say if he's on board or not.

[Johoohno]

Vote count

(8 players alive = 5 to lynch before deadline)
(2) Grimmy – OhGodMyLife, Jenter Brolincani,

Not voting:

Battle Mage, farside22, Grimmy, Mr. Flay, muffinhead, SpyreX

Deadline:

Friday 20 June 1:00 AM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Mr. Flay]

Since it is my head on the chopping block, i want to know.

After im shown to be a townie, who does this implicate?

This should probably wait until after you're lynched (as seems likely) speculation on tomorrow's suspects will help the Mafia direct their actions.

Waiting for BM to post before voting grimmy. I don't believe he's helpful to the town anymore alive, but his lynch could be instructive, and there's a better than average chance in my brain that he's scum.