Mafia 81: SSW II - Game over!

[Battle Mage]

*it. lol

Vote count

(8 players alive = 5 to lynch before deadline)
(1) Grimmy – OhGodMyLife

Not voting:

Battle Mage, farside22, Grimmy, Jenter Brolincani, Mr. Flay, muffinhead, SpyreX

Deadline:

Friday 20 June 1:00 AM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Mr. Flay]

How would you like to confirm yourself, BM?

How many abilities do you have left to use?

[SpyreX]

Actually, my plan requires knowing if, even if they are killed, a vig's shot goes through.

It was like this:

We hang A
Vig 1 kills B
Vig 2 kills C

If B & C dies, but no one else, B or C is most likely the mafia. If B, C and another die, B & C are probably cleared (and chances are we've won at that point).

If B or C lives, we have an obvious liar.

Of course, if one is killed and their shot doesn't go through this falls apart.

[Battle Mage]

How would you like to confirm yourself, BM?

How many abilities do you have left to use?

Just Tracker and Vig. Both are confirmable, but with few power role claims left, it would probably be best to use the former ability tonight.

BM

[Mr. Flay]

Actually, my plan requires knowing if, even if they are killed, a vig's shot goes through.

In almost all cases, moderators resolve all nightkills simultaneously, meaning that both would succeed.

Your plan is intriguing. I'll have to kick it around a bit longer in my brain...

If B, C and another die, B & C are probably cleared

You must have meant "1 & 2 are probably cleared", right?

Also, there's a way to break your plan. I'm not sure if I'll talk about it yet.

[Mr. Flay]

EBWOP: I think that line should read, "If B & C dies, but no one else, 1 or 2 is most likely the mafia. If B, C and another die, 1 & 2 are probably cleared."

[OhGodMyLife]

BM's response makes me like my plan even more.

Jenter should definitely shoot BM tonight.

[Battle Mage]

BM's response makes me like my plan even more.

Jenter should definitely shoot BM tonight.

Lol, let me guess. Claimed Tracker is slightly concerned at prospect of being caught in red-handed?

BM

[Grimmy]

I think some grimmy wagon is appropriate right now.

Vote: grimmy

How so?

Is there a method to your madness?

Grimmy
tired of wagons running over his tail.

AHEM

Id still like to hear a good reason.

Grimmy
OMGL is just jealous cause im pretty!

[farside22]

BM's response makes me like my plan even more.

Jenter should definitely shoot BM tonight.

How come you keep wanting to kill people who claim a power role?

[SpyreX]

EBWOP: I think that line should read, "If B & C dies, but no one else, 1 or 2 is most likely the mafia. If B, C and another die, 1 & 2 are probably cleared."

God, yes. (I apologize for mistakes I make today - yesterday was a huge work deadline and I haven't "slept" yet. I'm a little off).

Also, what does EBWOP mean?

Please, let me know what I'm missing in that plan. I think instead of just killing power roles we should use them to ferret out mafia OR themselves if they are liars.

The only thing I could see that would cause an issue would be a roleblocker, BUT if we hang the blocked one and he comes up legit I think tracking down the roleblocker would be easy enough.

[SpyreX]

I guess, also, do we know if the flavor on death is different for a shot versus a humanizing death?

[Mr. Flay]

Hmmm. MME's death scene doesn't specify the manner of death, but Rogue Shenanigan's does. I'm guessing the mod might have been busy during MME's scene, but it's definitely a risk. The other problem would be framing via deferred/masked kills.

Also, if BM is actually a Jack-of-All-Trades, we're probably dealing with two Humans left. *sniffs air* Trying to decide which is more likely...

[OhGodMyLife]

farside, I found it hard to believe we had two town trackers. I was obviously wrong. We also appear to have had two berserks. However, I am finding it extremely hard to swallow that on top of those two pairs of roles, and a cop, we also have a very powerful jack of all trades.

If BM is town, he shouldn't have any problem with going through with the plan I proposed. Its like telling a claimed vig to shoot himself to save the town a lynch. If he doesn't do it, he's scum. Jenter's claim is corroborated by Phoebus' reaction to it, now that we know what Pheeb's role was, which is why I'm not requesting Jenter die tonight as well. One of Jenter and BM should be shooting BM tonight, and the other should be shooting at the crowd of vanilla townie claims. I'd rather have Jenter shoot BM, as I am basically certain that Jenter's claim was truthful.

Grimmy, don't worry, I still love you, I just think you're scum.

[Battle Mage]

farside, I found it hard to believe we had two town trackers. I was obviously wrong. We also appear to have had two berserks. However, I am finding it extremely hard to swallow that on top of those two pairs of roles, and a cop, we also have a very powerful jack of all trades.

If BM is town, he shouldn't have any problem with going through with the plan I proposed. Its like telling a claimed vig to shoot himself to save the town a lynch. If he doesn't do it, he's scum. Jenter's claim is corroborated by Phoebus' reaction to it, now that we know what Pheeb's role was, which is why I'm not requesting Jenter die tonight as well. One of Jenter and BM should be shooting BM tonight, and the other should be shooting at the crowd of vanilla townie claims. I'd rather have Jenter shoot BM, as I am basically certain that Jenter's claim was truthful.

Grimmy, don't worry, I still love you, I just think you're scum.

roflmao!

Let me get this right, because i'm clearly a little confused. You think that it is logical for a JoAT- one of the most powerful protown power roles in existence, to want to be killed before he had used up his abilities? Are you shitting me? 0.o
You aren't making any sense, and you point this out yourself, when you try and compare your plan to 'getting a vig to shoot himself'?!? WTF, srsly?

I am noticing a kind of pattern with your 'plan' though. It seems to focus on the fact that you want both Jenter and myself to bump off any player OTHER THAN YOURSELF. To be honest, your claim itself isnt that unbelievable, although depending on the timing, it could be 'more' or 'less' confirmed.

With so many players left, i dont see a protown reason not to let me verify my role- especially seeing as i can confirm myself so easily. Hell, i used my RoleBlock on Night 1- that in itself can be confirmed/denied.

I won't be shooting anyone tonight. I'll be tracking YOU to validate YOUR claim. It's upto Jenter whether he would rather kill me than have me alive and confirmed tomorrow.

BM

[muffinhead]

Ok not much for me to say. I agree with spyrex that bm and jenter should vig tonight so we know the truth.

At this stage there is no one i find really scumy however im sus of ogml purly because he targetted the same person 2 nights in a row.

So @ogml why exactly did u target mme again?

Also to everyone- what do u think of 2 sucm still being left in the game? Im starting to see it as a possibility.

ps im vanillia.

[Battle Mage]

Ok not much for me to say. I agree with spyrex that bm and jenter should vig tonight so we know the truth.

At this stage there is no one i find really scumy however im sus of ogml purly because he targetted the same person 2 nights in a row.

So @ogml why exactly did u target mme again?

Also to everyone- what do u think of 2 sucm still being left in the game? Im starting to see it as a possibility.

ps im vanillia.

you agree that me and Jenter should Vig...who?

BM

[muffinhead]

Well I believe that grimmy has to be one of them. But I think it would be best if it was discussed by the town so that we can get some info and discussion going. Hopfully something will pop out. But it most importantly proves that u and jenter both have vig abilities.

[Battle Mage]

who do you want lynched today?

[muffinhead]

Well u were my biggest suspect but since u entered the game i have started doubting you. For now grimmy is the only one whos not given me town vibes at some stage so currently he is up there but I cant make a call untill i have a proper look back at today and the end of yesterday. Should have time tomorrow

So who do u think should be lynched today?

[Battle Mage]

Currently, the scummiest player is OGML, but as his role is confirmable, i'd like to see him confirmed/disputed asap. I'll try and look into the vanilla claimants now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Interesting interaction between Mr Flay and Xyzzy early in the game. Korts make a good point about a potential Spyrex slip. Xyzzy and Flay try to play it down. Xyzzy goes OTT in attacking Korts. Spyrex’s explanation in post 39 makes no sense, and undermines the defence of him which was on the grounds that he just made a mistake. FoS: Spyrex
Surprisingly, Korts seems to buy it. OGML’s attack of Xyzzy seems very ‘tongue in cheek’. Post 99 by OGML stinks of setting up multiple lynches.
Spyrex’s behaviour on Page 5 is even worse. He originally claims that he doesn’t want to vote for Xyzzy yet, but under pressure from OGML, concedes promptly, without fulfilling his originally stated intention of ‘waiting for Xyzzy to defend himself’. Flay seems resigned to seeing Xyzzy hang. Korts hops off the wagon. Farside and Flay are to some extent confirmed innocent by their posts in twilight of Day 1. Assuming no kill was made on Night 1, they are almost certainly confirmed town. However because Farside was roleblocked, that could also be responsible for the no-kill.

So, here’s my LoS so far:

Scummy:
Spyrex
OGML

Potentially scum due to role based info rather than play:
Farside

Hasn’t Done anything remarkable either way:
Grimmy

Highly likely town:
Mr Flay
Muffin Head
Jenter Brolincali

I think with so few suspects, this game should be wrapped up pretty quickly.

BM

[OhGodMyLife]

So, BM, you think I bussed xyzzy then? I don't know if you noticed, but that lynch pretty much happened because I made it happen.

And farside, who has a cop innocent result to confirm her, is also near the top of your scum list. Sweet.

[Battle Mage]

So, BM, you think I bussed xyzzy then? I don't know if you noticed, but that lynch pretty much happened because I made it happen.

Did you not READ what i said? Of course i think you bussed. You made it pretty obvious in the posts i highlighted that you KNEW he was scum. What are your claimed tracker results btw?

And farside, who has a cop innocent result to confirm her, is also near the top of your scum list. Sweet.

Ok, cool. So we've narrowed it down to 2.

BM

[OhGodMyLife]

Tracker results:
N1: farside goes nowhere
N2: eek goes to rogue shenanigans
N3: eek goes to grimmy

If you really think I

knew

that xyzzy was scum any more than you seem to

know

I'm scum you need to read day one again. And if you really think somebody would bus the mafia RECRUITER before the lynch became inevitable you're just wrong.