Open 65 - Mini Love (Over!) before 578

[eldarad]

armix, why did you vote for Kravhen?
What does "not progressing discussion" mean anyway?

[armlx]

He was just babbling away instead of trying to combat the points people made about his behavior, aka stalling.

And I did not Vote him. I put an FOS on him that I intended to be a vote for all purposes except putting him at L-1.

[eldarad]

He was just babbling away instead of trying to combat the points people made about his behavior, aka stalling.

And I did not Vote him. I put an FOS on him that I intended to be a vote for all purposes except putting him at L-1.

You aren't doing anything to progress the discussion. Very scummy.

Unvote, FOS, may as well be Vote Kravhen

Claim please.

Oh. See, this looks like "vote Kravhen" to me. And I'm not the only one who thought so.

I do see your point about babbling and general railing against the wagon.
What he has never done - and I have tried to illicit this - is to answer the points I made.
I seem to recall a thread in Mafia Discussion about scum complaining for being lynched for the "wrong reasons" (rather than complaining about being lynched). Maybe it's relevant here.

[Coron]

See, after thinking about it, when you corner a scum, often times they'll throw every toy they can get your hands on at you, while town will more likely try to keep beating you with the same one. I of course have no actual data to support this, but initially I voted for Kravhen because overreacting to accusations in general tends to be scummy, but then I thought about it more in depth and realized that is wasn't like a standard cornered scum overreaction really.

Thus the unvote.

Also, I guess Armlx vote won't count, but I thought it was a vote initially too.

[armlx]

I seem to recall a thread in Mafia Discussion about scum complaining for being lynched for the "wrong reasons" (rather than complaining about being lynched). Maybe it's relevant here.

That thread was more about retroactive bitching. Like an SK being lynched b/c a mafiate defended them.

[kravhen]

He was just babbling away instead of trying to combat the points people made about his behavior, aka stalling.

And I did not Vote him. I put an FOS on him that I intended to be a vote for all purposes except putting him at L-1.

You aren't doing anything to progress the discussion. Very scummy.

Unvote, FOS, may as well be Vote Kravhen

Claim please.

Oh. See, this looks like "vote Kravhen" to me. And I'm not the only one who thought so.

I do see your point about babbling and general railing against the wagon.
What he has never done - and I have tried to illicit this - is to answer the points I made.
I seem to recall a thread in Mafia Discussion about scum complaining for being lynched for the "wrong reasons" (rather than complaining about being lynched). Maybe it's relevant here.

I'm sorry your points got lost in the noise, I'll attend to them later. I'm posting this while my soccer team is playing, so I'll read back a bit later.

[farside22]

@Kravhen: My problem with you has been your play and tactics. You have hardly made a case against anyone and just laying low. I do not find it your normal behavior. There is no well I find this person scum and here is why anywhere until I put pressure on you.
I did not care for Coron's vote quickly either. I feel reading the discussion between you two one is scum.

unvote:

I want to read back and see who I think is scummier.

[kravhen]

Silence and dahill(in a lesser way), the speed on which you jumped on your horses with the lynching rope is noted.

It looked pretty damn OBVIOUS ABR was joking.

I didn't think it was obvious...This looks like an opportunity to jump on people for no reason. Also interesting how your attack on dahill is qualified somewhat.
Dahill does look scummy sometimes - although he played the lover claim really well I thought. I think I could see a Kravhen-dahill scumgroup.

vote Kravhen

It's a win-win situation, and completely defeats the WIFOM that the scum may have been trying to set up by not killing.

We can't know whether they didnt kill or just landed on doc protection... stop assuming =/

Everyone else is assuming that the scum hit someone who was protected, thus farside is confirmed.
That's a much more dangerous assumption.

I assume this is your case.
There isn't much to "answer" though. You vote me seeing a Kravhen-Dahill scumgroup hmm. At the moment I believe Dahill to be more town than scum. Even you said you thought he dealt with the whole lover deal rather well. Wasn't he the one that was ready to be policy lynched for the cause? That alone leads me to believe he's pro-town.

As for the ABR-joking... It WAS pretty obvious IMO... I mean, look at this:

Guys. I lied about being a doctor. I'm just a vanilla townie.

I know who the real doctor is.

How do you know who the doctor is as a vanilla townie? =/

Yes, that's right. I'm the scum. Lynch me on the spot.


...



We good, now ? Everyone believe me ?

Oh now he's a scum, not a townie anymore. Meh. Obvious demonstration of ABR joking in my opinion... Is this your first game with ABR?
Anyhoo, right after that silence's post indicated that he somehow completely believes ABR and that we should, indeed, lynch him as he said, "on the spot". Look at this post and tell me it's not at least a little bit shady...

Argh. Why did the real doctor not claim earlier? (Now he probably shouldn't)

How does ABR claim to 'know' the real doctor?

Do we have any reason not to lynch ABR immediately?

He immediately assumes everything ABR just said was real, throws a question on how he knows the real doc, etc. etc. without even considering ABR is being an annoying ass as usual. Armlx even pointed it out.. that ABR had "history of that as town", so I'm not the only one familiar with his behavior.

Silence and dahill(in a lesser way), the speed on which you jumped on your horses with the lynching rope is noted.

It looked pretty damn OBVIOUS ABR was joking.

It's a win-win situation, and completely defeats the WIFOM that the scum may have been trying to set up by not killing.

We can't know whether they didnt kill or just landed on doc protection... stop assuming =/

As for this, I still stand by my statement. Especially in this game setup, I find it highly unlikely that the scum didn't kill, especially with the chance of hitting 2 townies with one kill (lovers). Although assuming anything 100% can be bad since we can pretty much never be that sure of either way, I personally believe it's more sanely believable that they DID land on doc protection. Scum would just be stupid not to kill to "set up WIFOM" in this game. If they didn't kill, the real doc would've claimed after ABR claimed to have protected farside. Then we'd have had something.

Either way, don't you find it interesting how doc protections end up creating a bunch of WIFOM when they are successful? It's supposed to be a beneficial event for the town. Which makes me think, and I ask this purely out of curiosity. Was there any kind of theory or plan ever made concerning asking the confirmed doc NOT to protect anyone so that there was no NK wifom possible converning the protection? I'm sorry if my theory is full of flaws, I'm just curious, and the idea just sprung in my head as I was writing this.

[kravhen]

He was just babbling away instead of trying to combat the points people made about his behavior, aka stalling.

And I did not Vote him. I put an FOS on him that I intended to be a vote for all purposes except putting him at L-1.

Btw that's wishy washy. Wanting to vote without voting. It's like wanting to shoot someone, but not being the one holding the gun.

I'd like to hear input from Dahill, ABR and silence on these last few pages.

[armlx]

Btw that's wishy washy. Wanting to vote without voting. It's like wanting to shoot someone, but not being the one holding the gun.

No, its being cautious and not letting someone sit at L-1 with some evidently inattentive people in the game.

[kravhen]

(( Do we need prods? ))

[Sethaniel]

[quote"kravhen re: armix"]
Btw that's wishy washy. Wanting to vote without voting. It's like wanting to shoot someone, but not being the one holding the gun.
[/quote]

agree.

vote: armix

[armlx]

Not wanting someone to sit at L-1 is not wishy washy. It is cautious.

If my pseudo-vote was at ANY other position on the wagon your argument would be valid. However, it was not.

[silence]

He immediately assumes everything ABR just said was real, throws a question on how he knows the real doc, etc. etc. without even considering ABR is being an annoying ass as usual. Armlx even pointed it out.. that ABR had "history of that as town", so I'm not the only one familiar with his behavior.

As I already stated, I missed ABR's later post which would have implied even to me that he was joking. From the earlier post I genuinely thought he is claiming not to be doctor. Which I think would have been a good reason to lynch him, had it not been a joke. Yes, this is my first game with ABR.


About armlx's 'pseudo-vote', I see nothing 'wishy washy' about that. No reason to enable hammering before it has been discussed completely.

[ThAdmiral]

Vote Count:

Armlx - 2

(ABR, Sethaniel)

Kravhen - 1

(Eldarad)

Coron - 1

(Kravhen)

Not Voting -

(Dahill, Farside, Silence, Coron, Armlx)

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: 8pm Australian eastern time, tuesday 24th june. About a week from now.

[kravhen]

He immediately assumes everything ABR just said was real, throws a question on how he knows the real doc, etc. etc. without even considering ABR is being an annoying ass as usual. Armlx even pointed it out.. that ABR had "history of that as town", so I'm not the only one familiar with his behavior.

As I already stated, I missed ABR's later post which would have implied even to me that he was joking. From the earlier post I genuinely thought he is claiming not to be doctor. Which I think would have been a good reason to lynch him, had it not been a joke. Yes, this is my first game with ABR.


About armlx's 'pseudo-vote', I see nothing 'wishy washy' about that. No reason to enable hammering before it has been discussed completely.

I know. I was just answering eldarad's case on the reason why I voted you and dahill at the time of the joke. ((It DOES look obvious he wasnt jking, doesnt it?))

[dahill1]

argh sorry i know this is a bad time in the game for me to be away but:
posting this in all games

on the 19th i'm going to be moving across the country, so i will probably not have internet access at that time. i don't know how long it will take but i ask not to be replaced unless it's urgent that i should be. thanks!

[eldarad]

Meh. I'm tempted to just vote for armix on a whim and see what happens.

There's a 2 in 5 chance of him being scum, so that's not the worst odds we're ever going to get

unvote
vote armix

[armlx]

There's a 2 in 5 chance of him being scum, so that's not the worst odds we're ever going to get

?

Logic behind this?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Krav you voiced suspicion of armlx earlier. Will you back that with a vote or what ?

[kravhen]

I would but I still don't want to rush things.... There are still people who need to comment on the last couple pages including the me vs coron thing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bullshit.

[Albert B. Rampage]

FOS: Armlx

. Chance of Armlx being scum... 80%.

Just last page...

[farside22]

Not wanting someone to sit at L-1 is not wishy washy. It is cautious.

If my pseudo-vote was at ANY other position on the wagon your argument would be valid. However, it was not.

This is coming from a man that likes to hammer.
I have my short list of suspects if Armix does not come up scum. If he does well the town will have this one.
Shortlist wether Armix scum are not:

Kravhen
Coron
Silence
Seth
Yes in this order

Vote: Armix

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hammer please.