Mini 572 - Packrats (game over)

[Skruffs]

Good response, Yos.

STillllll thiunk Mizzy's scum.
Sorry Mizzy. ^.^

[Mizzy]

Good response, Yos.

STillllll thiunk Mizzy's scum.
Sorry Mizzy. ^.^

Why do you think I'm scum, though? Other than gut, because so far, gut hasn't really done anything to help you.

[eldarad]

/post

very LA

[Yosarian2]

Ok. We need to do this lynch before Guardian leaves for vacation. Let's get voting, peoples.

[Andycyca]

No deadline yet. Reading and commenting right now (Sorry for the delay guys)

[Andycyca]

Actually...

Mod

: I officially request replacement. I have even more work coming and this game has already suffered a lot because of me. Sorry guys.

[Y]

I would like to hear from Andy's replacement before I can decide if he's scum or not.

MOD:

Is it possible to delay deadline because of the replacement?

[hasdgfas]

I would like to hear from Andy's replacement before I can decide if he's scum or not.

MOD:

Is it possible to delay deadline because of the replacement?

Mod has no access until the weekend according to V/LA

[Tiger Twins]

We won't get a replacement for Andy until at earliest when I'm about to go on V/LA.

I'll let you judge the wisdom of not lynching until we replace Andy AND hear in depth from said replacement.

My vote I think will stay on eldarad.

~Guardian

[Mizzy]

I vote that we do not lynch until we get an Andy replacement, but that is just my opinion. I really hate doing bit events (lynches, mass claims) when someone I feel is pretty important to the game isn't around.

[Mizzy]

And I should add that if it looks like we might do no-lynch instead, I would be fine with a lynch with the absence of a player. I am not that in favor of not lynching when someone is gone that I would risk that.

[Y]

as opposed to a regular day, I actually think that a no-lynch won't be such a bad thing, if the alternative is to kill some one just for the sake of killing some one. Especially if the possibility of no NK is as real as in this game, after the last two nights.

Lynching scum, of course, would be much better.

[Andycyca]

I'm staying here until a replacement is found.

[Andycyca]

EBWOP: And will try to do some analysis

[Mizzy]

Oh, okay! That makes me feel much better. Carry on!

[Yosarian2]

as opposed to a regular day, I actually think that a no-lynch won't be such a bad thing, if the alternative is to kill some one just for the sake of killing some one. Especially if the possibility of no NK is as real as in this game, after the last two nights.

Lynching scum, of course, would be much better.

The possibility of a no kill is the REASON we don't want to miss a lynch today.

Remember how I had a list of 4 people, and said that 3 of the 4 of them must be scum? If we lynch every day, and the scum miss at least one more kill before the end of the game, then we have 4 lynches left, and are therefore basically guarenteed to win.

Also, it is starting to seem like you're really trying quite hard to delay or prevent an Eldred lynch here...

[hasdgfas]

as opposed to a regular day, I actually think that a no-lynch won't be such a bad thing, if the alternative is to kill some one just for the sake of killing some one. Especially if the possibility of no NK is as real as in this game, after the last two nights.

Lynching scum, of course, would be much better.

The possibility of a no kill is the REASON we don't want to miss a lynch today.

Remember how I had a list of 4 people, and said that 3 of the 4 of them must be scum? If we lynch every day, and the scum miss at least one more kill before the end of the game, then we have 4 lynches left, and are therefore basically guarenteed to win.

Also, it is starting to seem like you're really trying quite hard to delay or prevent an Eldred lynch here...

I agree with Yosarian2

[Patrick]

3 eldarad (Tiger Twins, Yosarian2, hasdgfas)

6 Unvote (Andycyca, eldarad, Mizzy, Skruffs, Y)

8 alive; 5 to lynch.

Don't have time to do it now, will do later.

[eldarad]

/post

back now. Will post later tonight.

[eldarad]

First of all, I apologise for my absence over the past two weeks. Work has taken me away from home for 2 weeks in a row. That's the rollercoaster world of accountancy for you...

I am voting for eldarad because Yosarian2 is convincing, and eldarad hasn't provided a defense explaining his actions. His not claiming the innocent item thing is not something I'd imagine a pro-town player doing.

If it had been as unambiguous as "innocent" and if I had known then what I know now, I wouldn't have thought twice.

Mizzy... you don't appear to be voting yourself... and you seem to be detracting away from something that can actually effect the game, without offering a counter discussion thing.. and not even voting..

Just a big red flag there

Yeah, you're right. When was the last time that happened? Oh yeah, Day 1.

I had a dream that I got an items... it was pens with the ink all used up, or somehting, and the mod had accidentally left hte name of hte person who had first gotten the items... named Count_Vakir or something. Anyways there's no user by that name on hte site so it wasn't premonition or anything. Shucks.

What?!

According to wikipedia, Vakir is Old Norse for "hole" so that doesn't help.
Although Count Vakir sounds like a

vampire

. Just saying...

Well, part of the reason I was attacking him was that yesterday he looked like a scum who already knew Eldred was town and who was therefore avoiding the wagon without actually trying very hard to stop it or to encoruage anyone else to be lynched. I think the claim was a defense against that, an excuse for why he already knew RS was town, but it dosn't at all answer the rest of the point, which is the question of why he didn't try all that hard to stop the lynch then.

Either you think I'm telling the truth about the items, or you don't. You can't have it both ways. If you think I made up the Moonshine as a 'defence' then say so. But then you need to reconcile that with your statement that:

I think you're probably telling more-or-less the truth about the items you got; it's probably be too risky to make something like that up out of whole cloth

~~~

I'm not completely sure about eldarad. I'm really torn between "Scared scum" and "Really bad player" (Note that RS was even less logical than eldarad is, and he was town).

erm, I can't say I like either of those options actually
What do you think is "really bad" about my play? Or else, what makes you think I am scared (scum or otherwise?)

Remember how I had a list of 4 people, and said that 3 of the 4 of them must be scum? If we lynch every day, and the scum miss at least one more kill before the end of the game, then we have 4 lynches left, and are therefore basically guarenteed to win.

OK, except that the list has 6 people on it.

If I have to nail my colours to the mast right now, I'd go with

vote Mizzy

Not only do I think that we'll lynch scum, it will also expose Yos' "list of 4" for the sham it really is.

[Yosarian2]

Well, part of the reason I was attacking him was that yesterday he looked like a scum who already knew Eldred was town and who was therefore avoiding the wagon without actually trying very hard to stop it or to encoruage anyone else to be lynched. I think the claim was a defense against that, an excuse for why he already knew RS was town, but it dosn't at all answer the rest of the point, which is the question of why he didn't try all that hard to stop the lynch then.

Either you think I'm telling the truth about the items, or you don't. You can't have it both ways. If you think I made up the Moonshine as a 'defence' then say so. But then you need to reconcile that with your statement that:

I think you're probably telling more-or-less the truth about the items you got; it's probably be too risky to make something like that up out of whole cloth

I think that you, or someone in your scumgroup, probably got an item called "moonshine" that can detect warewolves; I don't think you were lying about that, it just sounds like something Ether would come up with. You might even have used it in the way you're saying, just in case of trackers or whatever. That dosn't change anything about your alignment or about your motivation for claiming, though.

If I have to nail my colours to the mast right now, I'd go with

vote Mizzy

Not only do I think that we'll lynch scum, it will also expose Yos' "list of 4" for the sham it really is.

Mizzy is pretty obv town at this point. Of course, you're pretty obv scum, so it dosn't really matter who you vote for, so long as no pro-town people are dumb enough to follow you.

I do find it interesting that you've been mostly attacking me for quite a while now, and yet now you turn back and vote mizzy instead, right after Skruffs says he "thinks she's scum".

[Y]

Remember how I had a list of 4 people, and said that 3 of the 4 of them must be scum? If we lynch every day, and the scum miss at least one more kill before the end of the game, then we have 4 lynches left, and are therefore basically guarenteed to win.

You're missing one very important thing: This list is based on you being town and so does TT, but we have no reason to believe that's true. So far you've been pushing a lynch every day and you pushed in a wrong way every time. Forgive me for not following your "great" logic for once.

Besides Skruffs and TT, who are more or less confirmed, we have

six

people. Our chances are probably 50%-50% in a LYLO situation. Those are not good odds to push a lynch just for the sake of avoiding a no-lynch. With all the missed NKs, it seems like mislynches are the best way for the scum to win, doesn't it?

You all wanted both a decision, and a good candidate for a lynch, so here it is:

Vote Yosarian2

.
I'm tired of you knowing exactly what the town must do while dragging us all down the drain.

eldarad, I see two options:
1. You're scum, you tried to score some "townie" points by protecting an innocent, but you weren't cautious enough, so now you're trying to lie your way out of it (You being scared of exposure makes you be too reckless).
2. You're so bad as a player, that you decided to keep important information to yourself, although you could have simply explain it to the town and avoid the whole mess.
While I tend to believe the first option is the right one, after I saw RS play I can't dismiss the second.
By the way, why Mizzy?

[Yosarian2]

Remember how I had a list of 4 people, and said that 3 of the 4 of them must be scum? If we lynch every day, and the scum miss at least one more kill before the end of the game, then we have 4 lynches left, and are therefore basically guarenteed to win.

You're missing one very important thing: This list is based on you being town and so does TT, but we have no reason to believe that's true. So far you've been pushing a lynch every day and you pushed in a wrong way every time. Forgive me for not following your "great" logic for once.

Of couse I'm assuming I'm town in my own logic. If you want to make your own list, go for it.

Also, I like your "Yos was wrong yesterday, so let's lynch him" desperation logic. It's becoming quite clear that you and Eldred are scum together, and like I expected, you're both getting desperate now that I've figure out who the scum are.

Besides Skruffs and TT, who are more or less confirmed, we have

six

people. Our chances are probably 50%-50% in a LYLO situation. Those are not good odds to push a lynch just for the sake of avoiding a no-lynch. With all the missed NKs, it seems like mislynches are the best way for the scum to win, doesn't it?

Uh...so your suggestion is that we just don't lynch and let the scum kill off one of the two confirmed people? How the hell does that help us?

No lynching when there's an even number of people CAN be a good idea, but NOT when there's confirmed pro-town people around.

You all wanted both a decision, and a good candidate for a lynch, so here it is:

Vote Yosarian2

.
I'm tired of you knowing exactly what the town must do while dragging us all down the drain.

(nods) As expected.

We've got them, guys. Time to wrap this up.

[Yosarian2]

Also, it's cute the way Y votes for me and then implies Eldred is probably scum in the same post, even though it should be pretty clear that me and Eldred are not scum together at this point. I've never seen such obvious scum distancing in my life.

[Skruffs]

posting..nightnight