Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[Battle Mage]

What are you saying?

I'm saying that Hasdgfas's claim concerning Zu Faul is markedly inconsistent with any logical interpretation of scum behaviour. In fact, it'd be interesting to hear Hasdgfas's opinion on his results.

BM

[hasdgfas]

What are you saying?

I'm saying that Hasdgfas's claim concerning Zu Faul is markedly inconsistent with any logical interpretation of scum behaviour. In fact, it'd be interesting to hear Hasdgfas's opinion on his results.

BM

I definitely found the results strange. I had found zu a bit suspicious before the first time I targeted him, so I was trying to vig him, after the first time I tried to protect someone. That was the Set kill night, IIRC. I figured, ok, maybe he was vigged, or maybe he's NK-immune. I wasn't thinking he could be targeted by scum at that point, because I didn't find it likely after the suspicion on him all game.

After I targeted him again and he didn't die, I found it even stranger. I found NK-immune most likely, because again, he didn't seem like a likely scum kill, especially 2 nights in a row.

[Battle Mage]

has Zu Faul claimed already?

[elvis_knits]

Do you think he could be GF who is NK immune?

If so, why was there no kill last night? If cow didn't stop the mafia kill, then someone else must have blocked or protected correctly.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

2: Flameaxe

(Elvis_knits, Zu_Faul)

1: Erg0

(Flameaxe)

1: Battle Mage

(Xylthixlm)

Not Voting:

DizzyIzzy, DarlaBlueEyes, Xylthixlm, IH, hasdgfas, Erg0, Panzerjager, Vollkan

Stop trolling me e_k <.<

[elvis_knits]

Somehow that doesn't look right. (zu faul voting twice... I am voting and not voting according to that VC).

[Xylthixlm]

6 to lynch? Wow. None of these bandwagons are anywhere

near

large enough.

Vote: Flameaxe

[Battle Mage]

Why does Xyl have 2 votes?

[Xylthixlm]

Because I'm

just that awesome

.

[Battle Mage]

so...its a mod error then?

[elvis_knits]

Yes.

Vote flamaxe if you know what's good for you.

Otherwise explain why you think zu faul is scum and vote for him.

[Battle Mage]

I would, except i dont appear to have a vote. lol

[elvis_knits]

Hello... probably mod error.

[IH]

Obviously you don't DESERVE to have a vote. = P

[Battle Mage]

Obviously you don't DESERVE to have a vote. = P

Lol maybe Xyl steals the votes of people when they try to vote for him. I nominate YOU to be the first to try.

BM

[IH]

I steal people's double jump's in melee.

Is that the same thing?

ALSO XYL!?!

We should lynch that guy ASAP, or is that not Xyl from MTGSchat?

[elvis_knits]

No, we are lynching BBM. Get with the program.

[Flameaxe]

This is a high-quality wagon.

I think.

[Xylthixlm]

ALSO XYL!?!

We should lynch that guy ASAP, or is that not Xyl from MTGSchat?

That's me. Am I too awesome for you?

[IH]

Well, the fact that you're not dead, means you're scum or unkillable.

or else nobody else knows who you are to know the tradition of killing you the first chance they get.

[hasdgfas]

Well, the fact that you're not dead, means you're scum or unkillable.

or else nobody else knows who you are to know the tradition of killing you the first chance they get.

Or

maybe

forum mafia is different enough from IRC mafia that it doesn't matter.

[IH]

Uh... Dude.

IT'S XYL.

= (

[zu_Faul]

I think some modkills would be good, to instill fear in the hearts of the lurkers.

[vollkan]

In my mind, it does just that. In mafia, you can make a point about someones actions, and then you back it up with a motive. If someone makes the most retarded comment in the world, BUT there is no reason they are more likely to do that as scum than as town, then there is no motive, and it cant be considered a scumtell.

Likewise in this instance, the assumption being put forward is that Zu Faul was targetted by the Wolves two nights in a row. Now, we are analysing what incentive/reasoning the wolves would have to do so. If there is nobody who Zu Faul was especially suspicious of, and thus, no major reason why he would be targetted twice in a row, we have to assume BS.

False comparison.

The first logic:
Player A does retarded thing X
Player B accuses Player A of being scum for doing X
Player B's accusation fails, since Player B cannot positively explain would do X over town doing it.

I agree entirely with the above, and it has great application in relation to lurking.

Now, your second logic:
Player A suggests that the scum have done X on observation
Player A is unable to explain why scum have done X

Does this mean that A's suggestion falls flat?

I don't think so. If all the evidence attests to X happening, but you can't explain why, there are two possibilities:
1) X did not happen;
2) The scum motivation is not objectively apparent

Your entire argument here, BM, rests on presuming that 1) is the case, which I think is dubious at best.

Thats weak. 2 is more of an excuse than a reason. Scum dont do things for 'no reason'. Commenting on the reason for scum actions is of course WIFOM to an extent, but in this instance, it is completely logical to see that there is a credibility issue in Hasdgfas/Zu Faul's story. Instead, you choose to claim that 'all evidence attests to Hasdgfas telling the truth', which seems rather an odd assumption-and given the likelyhood of the alternative, i still think you are stretching here.

BM

By "all evidence", I was referring to the NK combination thing discussed earlier. Obviously, if you interpret the apparent NK selections themselves as being unlikely (which entails guessing scum motivations), then the evidence doesn't do that.

I think some modkills would be good, to instill fear in the hearts of the lurkers.

This thread needs CPR...or euthanasia.

[hasdgfas]

This thread needs CPR...or euthanasia.

Oooh, me. Pick me. I got this covered.