Mini 555 --- LDF Mafia -- Game Over!

[SlySly]

unvote

I really don't care what you have to say.

I can deal with that.

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1. Blame the mod.

This game has not gotten the kick in the ass it needs due to the apathetic and otherwise lacking contribution of the mod

Playing makes the game move, not micro-modding.

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2. Blame everyone else.

this game is not going anywhere thanks to SlySly being a dick ages ago

You put it best when you said "ages ago". The game has moved on since then.

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this game is going nowhere because Alabaska has not contributed one useful thing since he replaced in

Taking that he has posted recently, Alabaska is active now and obviously available for any questions anyone may have for him.

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this game is going nowhere because Lloyd and Andy refuse to contribute anything of use

Jdodge expresses his disgust with Lloyd and Andy for not providing him with ammo to use against them.

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this game is going nowhere thanks to eljcko being a moron

Jdodge, sensing the demise of his scumbuddy, demeans his partner.

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and this has lead to me not caring about the game and thus helping it run itself into the ground.

That is all.

Jdodge sees the obvious losing outcome and blames everyone else, including the mod, in an attempt to justify his own terrible play.

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vote:Jdodge

[Alabaska J]

humph

unvote, vote JDodge

May not need a replacement after all.

Jdodge sees the obvious losing outcome and blames everyone else, including the mod, in an attempt to justify his own terrible play.

[Sarcastro]

Vote Count:

2 – Andycyca – (Lloyd, JDodge)
2 – JDodge – (Alabaska J, SlySly)

6 Alive, 4 to Lynch

[JDodge]

Alabaska is doing nothing but follow SlySly around. I will dignify SlySly with a response later, but for now

unvote, vote: alabaska

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[SlySly]

Andy?? Lloyd?? eljcko??

[Andycyca]

Even though I don't like JD's attitude in this game, I don't think it's reason for lynching him. The whole case against him is pure ad hom.

[SlySly]

This game is never going to end.

[JDodge]

This game has not gotten the kick in the ass it needs due to the apathetic and otherwise lacking contribution of the mod

Playing makes the game move, not micro-modding.

I don't want micro-modding. I want a mod who prods the people who haven't posted in weeks instead of combing over people's posts for anything that could be a personal slight to him. I want a mod whose own head isn't so far up their own ass that they can see that their own game is fucking dying. I want a mod that doesn't add rules that kill their own game by encouraging people to unacceptable levels of douchebaggery.

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this game is not going anywhere thanks to SlySly being a dick ages ago

You put it best when you said "ages ago". The game has moved on since then.

Yet it still affected the collective will to play the game, which is rather hard to recover. Not your fault though, you

were

following the rules. I'll blame the mod on this one too.

this game is going nowhere because Alabaska has not contributed one useful thing since he replaced in

Taking that he has posted recently, Alabaska is active now and obviously available for any questions anyone may have for him.

Right, but it's not useful to anyone if you have to dig for the opinion.

this game is going nowhere because Lloyd and Andy refuse to contribute anything of use

Jdodge expresses his disgust with Lloyd and Andy for not providing him with ammo to use against them.

Right. Because, y'know, saying they refuse to contribute anything of use is totally not in any way an accusatory statement.

this game is going nowhere thanks to eljcko being a moron

Jdodge, sensing the demise of his scumbuddy, demeans his partner.

I am not scum and thus have no scumbuddy. Your statement is false, sir.

and this has lead to me not caring about the game and thus helping it run itself into the ground.

That is all.

Jdodge sees the obvious losing outcome and blames everyone else, including the mod, in an attempt to justify his own terrible play.

Justify two kills per night. We have no claimed vig (I am going to assume that no vig would be unclaimed at the moment as we are likely in lylo and shouldn't be building -2 wagons without damn good reason anyways), so yes. I do sense an obvious losing outcome for myself. There is likely an SK and 1-2 mafia, per the no claimed vig issue, which means that the obvious outcome for town is a loss. Tell me, if there are 2 scum left (which you posit), we are in lylo now. Do you really think that as scum, a loss would be "obvious"? Prior to now, nobody had mentioned an SK. Do you think from an SK standpoint, a loss would be "obvious"?

I'd say the town's pretty well screwed anyways.

[Alabaska J]

Alabaska is doing nothing but follow SlySly around. I will dignify SlySly with a response later, but for now

unvote, vote: alabaska

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Hi! I'm the doctor.

confirm vote: JDodge

[JDodge]

Since when? Am I to take this as a claim for no reason at -3, or as a statement that I have missed something prior?

Because both you and Thanatos have been really quite scummy, and docs tend not to counter-claim because they're more useful hidden.

[Alabaska J]

Since when? Am I to take this as a claim for no reason at -3, or as a statement that I have missed something prior?

You missed something prior. You really forgot my claim? Suspiiiiiiicious. Thanatos was at L-1 during lylo a couple of pages ago.

[JDodge]

Since when? Am I to take this as a claim for no reason at -3, or as a statement that I have missed something prior?

You missed something prior. You really forgot my claim? Suspiiiiiiicious. Thanatos was at L-1 during lylo a couple of pages ago.

Yes. I did forget your claim.

Note that you hopped on me as soon as SlySly hopped onto me, both you and SlySly have the same idea (with no logical basis) that there are 2 scum, doc being an incredibly safe claim at the moment, -1 not always equaling a claim especially when the accused is inactive enough to need replacement, and the fact that the slip Thanatos made was so damn obviously a lame attempt at fishing, and I'd say I'm pretty comfortable voting a claimed doctor.

How are you so sure we're in lylo? How do you know that it's not 2 mafia and an SK? 2 mafia and a vig? All my statements to this effect have been in the theoretical - all yours have been in the factual. Why is this?

[SlySly]

How are you so sure we're in lylo? How do you know that it's not 2 mafia and an SK? 2 mafia and a vig?

I'm just saying lylo is a possibility. I originally thought Ocelot might be a vig but taking the flavor into consideration, I think it makes much more sense that he is an SK.

My vote on you was mainly because from that one post you made I gathered that you no longer wanted to participate and I had it narrowed down to you and el as scum and figured I would try and help the mod out from having to try and find a replacement. Now that you seem to have rejoined us, I will...

unvote

I think eljcko is the better lynch for this day.

vote:eljcko

[Alabaska J]

How are you so sure we're in lylo? How do you know that it's not 2 mafia and an SK? 2 mafia and a vig?

I'm just saying lylo is a possibility. I originally thought Ocelot might be a vig but taking the flavor into consideration, I think it makes much more sense that he is an SK.

My vote on you was mainly because from that one post you made I gathered that you no longer wanted to participate and I had it narrowed down to you and el as scum and figured I would try and help the mod out from having to try and find a replacement. Now that you seem to have rejoined us, I will...

unvote

I think eljcko is the better lynch for this day.

vote:eljcko

If you think that Ocelot is an SK why aren't you voting for him? Why eljko? Also, I think JDodge is better but I'm gonna have to reread.

[SlySly]

If you think that Ocelot is an SK why aren't you voting for him?

I also think there are 2 scum left and I think it is far more important to lynch 1 of them today.

Why eljko?

Read his exchanges with me throughout today.

He demonstrates...
1. Admitted role fishing
2. Vote Opportunism
3. Confusion creation by context twisting

[Alabaska J]

I know but I still like JDodge…however I agree this day needs to end soon so

unvote, vote: eljcko

[JDodge]

I'd like clarification on your eljcko case - it seems a bit illogical to me.

He demonstrates...
1. Admitted role fishing

Is it role fishing if he admits it? You're not going to catch that many fish if you stick your head into the water and yell "HEY I'M GOING TO FISH YOU!"

2. Vote Opportunism

Understandable and a core part of my Alabaska case.

3. Confusion creation by context twisting

Isn't this easier explained as idiocy?

[JDodge]

I know but I still like JDodge…however I agree this day needs to end soon so

unvote, vote: eljcko

The last thing we need to do right now is rush into a decision. If you truly think there are two scum, you would see that by now.

Unless rushing into a decision benefits you.

I also think there are 2 scum left and I think it is far more important to lynch 1 of them today.

Not just far more important, but

absolutely imperative

. Winning with a mislynch today requires the following:

Not lynching Alabaska unless Alabaska = scum (sure enough on that that I'm willing to gamble)
SK/vig and scum targeting the same person
Alabaska targeting the same person as the scum

AAAND MOST IMPORTANTLY

Doc protects protecting against any and all kill attempts.

Alternative scenario is the SK/vig doesn't kill.

Mod:

Would the protection of a doc (if there is one) prevent all kill attempts, or just one?

[Lloyd]

Even though I don't like JD's attitude in this game, I don't think it's reason for lynching him. The whole case against him is pure ad hom.

I disagree. JDodge's attitude is a good enough of a reason for wanting me to lynch him now. At best, his attitude is resulting in discussion. At worse, it's becoming a distraction.

Unvote

Vote: JDodge

[JDodge]

Even though I don't like JD's attitude in this game, I don't think it's reason for lynching him. The whole case against him is pure ad hom.

I disagree. JDodge's attitude is a good enough of a reason for wanting me to lynch him now. At best, his attitude is resulting in discussion. At worse, it's becoming a distraction.

Unvote

Vote: JDodge

Wait - did you just say that starting discussion in a dead game is a good reason to lynch someone?

It seems to me that it would be easier for any scum to hide and ride any bandwagon they can jump on under the pretense of moving the game along or some such thing.

[Sarcastro]

Vote Count:

2 – eljcko – (SlySly, Alabaska J)
1 – Alabaska J – (JDodge)
1 – JDodge – (Lloyd)

6 Alive, 4 to Lynch

I can't answer that question, JDodge.

Deadline set for 12:00 PM PDT on Saturday, June 14th.

[Andycyca]

I actually prefer the el wagon. This game is slowly recovering and a claim wouldn't be bad.

Vote: eljcko

[Alabaska J]

I actually prefer the el wagon. This game is slowly recovering and a claim wouldn't be bad.

Vote: eljcko

QFT

Also the vote count is messed up, as JDodge appears to be voting for two players.

[Lloyd]

Wait - did you just say that starting discussion in a dead game is a good reason to lynch someone?

No. Your response sounds reasonable, and my vote was to gauge Andycyca's reaction (or lack of).

Anyhow, going back to my original suspect:

Unvote

Vote: Andycyca

[Alabaska J]

BUMP!

Also, seeing as we are in LYLO, we really should think about a massclaim.