Mafia 81: SSW II - Game over!

[killa seven]

wow i missed alot, re read, will be back with thoughts

Vote count

(13 players alive = 7 to lynch before deadline)
(3) xyzzy – Mr. Flay, OhGodMyLife, Flameaxe
(2) Grimmy – farside22, Phoebus
(1) Mr. Flay – Grimmy
(1) Korts – xyzzy
(1) Jenter Brolincani – Nitro Styles

Not voting:

Jenter Brolincani, killa seven, Korts, Rogue Shenanigans, SpyreX

Deadline:

Monday 9 June 1:00 PM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Mr. Flay]

What the hell is a "policy vote", xyzzy? You'll vote someone but won't lynch them? That doesn't make any sense... ANY vote should be prepared to go all the way to completion, unless it's specifically disclaimered (which just makes it entirely useless, more often than not).

Seriously. I get that our previous game cheesed you off, but this is unhealthy. I'm no more or less a threat to you in this game based on being scum in Newbie Game 446 (for those who don't know what he's referring to), can you understand that? Try to disconnect your emotions.

FOS: Flameaxe

- you're either lying or an idiot. If you'd been a few hours earlier, you'd have put xyzzy at

four

votes w/o being aware of it (supposedly). Stop being unhelpful and read the damn thread!

Spryex (and anyone else this applies to) why don't you like me "trying to kill the jokevotes out of the box"?

[Phoebus]

Mod

: Prods please

Okeydokey

And are you sure I'm not voting Grimmy?

Sorry, I'll fix it in the count above

[Grimmy]

Mod

: Prods please
And are you sure I'm not voting Grimmy?

Im sure he is. I saw it myself. and out of morbid curiousity....Why?

Grimmy
targeted by the SUN!!!

[Phoebus]

Because I can.

[Korts]

Okay, seems to me nothing happened while I was away... will reread soon and recap my thoughts.

[farside22]

I got a prod even though I posted yesterday. I guess the mod is just proding everyone.
I'm just seeing a lot of arguments with no substance.

[Grimmy]

Because I can.

<--lifts the covers....nope
<---opens the underwear drawer....not there either...
<---check the garbage tin.....damn, nothing.

I give up
I cant find a flaw in that logic ANYWHERE!!!

Grimmy
still looking

[Korts]

farside, there's no time for substance to be found day 1. Just work with what we have now.

[OhGodMyLife]

I disagree with farside and with korts on this one, we've already found substance. xyzzy is making himself obvious, and he's not the only question mark I have.

@Phoebus: your only posts so far have been 1) an unexplained vote and three comments to people that aren't related to the actual game, 2) requests for prods (when prods were not needed btw) and vote count policing, and 3) flippantly refusing to actually explain your vote.

I know you're paying attention, since you noticed the miscounted vote, but are you actually going to contribute any time soon? To me what you're doing looks like active lurking.

[Korts]

Alright, it's time to OMGUS. xyzzy's vote on me confounds me. It reeks of opportunism, and he also calls my logic crap, even though I raised valid questions.

Vote: xyzzy

[SpyreX]

Flay,

The reason why I dont like you trying to kill jokevotes out of the box is that, honestly, the joking helps set a tone and will give topics of discussion more than a random vote will (for me at least).

A perfect example is the fact that I, personally, am not just going to random vote someone BUT it sure looks like my joke vote sparked some discussion. Part of what lead us to this.

Phoebius,

I'd like to see more contributions - I was prodded when I was asleep and it looks like you, who hasn't said really anything, asked for the prod. Why?

[OhGodMyLife]

but speaking of vote count policing

Mod: you missed rogue's unvote of xyzzy and flameaxe's vote for xyzzy

fixed

[Mr. Flay]

I'd like to see more substance/logic behind Pheeb's vote on Grimmy. Right now it doesn't look useful or instructive to me.

I just realized after leaving last night that we have a little more breathing room for Day One, since there's a weekend in the middle of our "72 hours". Still, we're making good progress so far, and still have until Monday.

[OhGodMyLife]

Flay I don't think weekends matter, I think each game day is just 96 hours regardless of when it falls.

[Korts]

OGML, I think that's just what Flay said. We still have today, saturday and sunday.

[xyzzy]

What the hell is a "policy vote", xyzzy? You'll vote someone but won't lynch them? That doesn't make any sense... ANY vote should be prepared to go all the way to completion, unless it's specifically disclaimered (which just makes it entirely useless, more often than not).

Seriously. I get that our previous game cheesed you off, but this is unhealthy. I'm no more or less a threat to you in this game based on being scum in Newbie Game 446 (for those who don't know what he's referring to), can you understand that? Try to disconnect your emotions.

FOS: Flameaxe

- you're either lying or an idiot. If you'd been a few hours earlier, you'd have put xyzzy at

four

votes w/o being aware of it (supposedly). Stop being unhelpful and read the damn thread!

Spryex (and anyone else this applies to) why don't you like me "trying to kill the jokevotes out of the box"?

Yes, I voted you on shoddy logic based on being annoyed at you in a previous game. And you're saying it's inconsistent to not be willing to lynch based on that? A vote doesn't need to lead to a lynch to be useful, and to produce discussion.

[OhGodMyLife]

xyzzy, seriously, you're hiding behind this "IT PRODUCED DISCUSSION" excuse, but the vote itself and the attempts to legitimize it were

still scummy

and you haven't been able to produce a real defense for that simple fact.

[Grimmy]

He's a witch! Burn him!


oh wait...my bad...wrong game.

(I just like saying that actually)

Grimmy
was the witch, and got burned.

[Rogue Shenanigans]

Early discussion inducing votes are commonplace and in a game with short days, they are useful.

I don't like that we are being caught up in only one thing here though. Can't see anyone as being all that scummy right now because ZZ seems to be forced on the defence and not much else seems to be taking place.

OGML seems to be pushing this rather heavily.

Vote:OhGodMyLife

[Phoebus]

Well, to be entirely honest...I saw something about Grimmy but don't remember what.
For now, he's not done anything to make me want to unvote.

As I see it - this game needed prodding because it's snail paced compared to the last one and the more people keep talking throughout the day, the less chance of panic and quick lynching near the end.

OGML - You want to call it active lurking? Go ahead. There are no nefarious intentions behind it. It's my policy to say stuff when I feel like there is something worth commenting upon. Heaven knows there is enough fluff in most games here without me needing to add any more.
If you wish to make this a meta issue. Go right ahead.
Last game, I was pushing stuff off a tell I thought was valid. I was wrong. Where I needed to push, I pushed and was vocal. When I was found to be wrong...I backed off.
Call it hot and cold/passive aggressive whatever.

Day starts annoy me. So...my vote is good right now, where it is, than in my pocket.
It doesn't necessarily do Grimmy any harm and if, as a result, discussion is provoked...all the more better.

[Korts]

Day starts annoy me.

Waiting for night, perhaps?

[OhGodMyLife]

Early discussion inducing votes are commonplace and in a game with short days, they are useful.

I don't like that we are being caught up in only one thing here though. Can't see anyone as being all that scummy right now because ZZ seems to be forced on the defence and not much else seems to be taking place.

OGML seems to be pushing this rather heavily.

Vote:OhGodMyLife

Would you rather I sit on my laurels and do nothing?

[Jenter Brolincani]

Many apologies.

I haven't a clue what's going on, I'll get reading.

[OhGodMyLife]

By the way, there's a cute name for what rogue just did, its called The Chainsaw Defense.

Rather than defending xyzzy, he attacked xyzzy's primary attacker.

After we lynch xyzzy-scum, rogue shenanigans is next.