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[skitter30]

Vork y exactly r u sheeping fl again?

[skitter30]

If flavor knows skitter as much as he seems to think then he definitely could be scum.

I don't think he does

Pretty sure that his reactions during our thing yesterday were town-indicative

[skitter30]

This case becomes stronger if skitter admits she lied about saying my logic was bad because then lucian is just sheeping her read knowing she's town before the rest of us.

Sorry which post of mine r u referring to here?

[Skygazer]

Ankamius is the new Krazy! Welcome her!

[Firebringer]

Ankamius is the new Krazy! Welcome her!

nice replacement.

[Skygazer]

VC 1.16

LucianRoy (4): Tet, ofrhz, Ankamius, NerfedBuJ
Baezu (3): Flavor Leaf, Firebringer, Vorkuta
skitter30 (2): LucianRoy, Baezu
Vorkuta (2): BrightEyedFish, The Last Knight
NerfedBuJ (1): Enigma
BrightEyedFish (1): Saudade
BoomBoom (1): Airick10
Ankamius (1): skitter30

Not Voting (2): Lil Uzi Vert, BoomBoom

With 17 alive, it take 9 to lynch. Day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-05-20 09:30:00).

Mod notes: my moments were stolen i want them back

[Ankamius]

Hey guys

What is the synopsis of the game so far?

[Firebringer]

ur slot claimed to be vigi. please confirm.

[NerfedBuJ]

@skitter - I was referring to this string of posts.

Then you shouldn't have mentioned me at all.
It was baseless shading on something not AI for me from people who know me well enough.

The townie move would have been to wait for me to post more.

Like this post is shading ofrhz and invalidating ofrhz's gutread on him by saying that ofrhz was wrong to share a gutping since townies should have waited for buj to post more instead of using his rvs post to try to sort him.

And my problems with this are:

A) of course people can form reads on rvs posts. Not off of every rvs post, but it is indeed possible to start forming reads off of that part of the game. And by writing this post, buj is invalidating the whole notion of rvs and that people can form reads there (and thus discrediting the scumreads people had on him)

B) even if we start with the assumption that townies should have waited for buj to post more .... does not doing so mean that someone is scummy? Townies do this all the time, even if buj may think it's suboptimal or the wrong way to play. Why is this something to scumread people over if people do this ... all the time

His logic is bad, but how confident are you he's scum for it?

It's not just the illogic, it's that he's using the illogic to shade scumreads on him

Idk how confident i am, i think it's worth pushing

I'm not sure I agree with you here on him being scum because of this. He's had other hiccups of bad logic elsewhere, like claiming you and FL were distancing was pretty out-there.
He seems pretty wrapped up in metagame surrounding his slot as well considering his push on you. His standards seem pretty high for his expectations on how people should read him.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

luv I think u said u can read skitter. What is ur read right now?

No? I think I stated the exact opposite

I gave up on trying to read her over a year ago after a harsh and severe tounge lashing from RC. She’s relatively strong by my memory though

but I tended to conflate that to how one should be playing town when reading her.

It resulted in an incorrect read every time.

The back and forth between her and FL is kinda just there for me. A lot of meta that I’m on the outside looking in one and amounts to or should I say seems null? I imagine a decent amount of the player list feels the same. Her push on Buj is kinda just there for me too. I can see where it was coming from but it didn’t really resonate with me at the time.

idk what the bolded means

I had what I felt a baseline for how town should play the game and that contributed to me misreading you in the past.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hey guys

What is the synopsis of the game so far?

Skitter is confirmed town

[LucianRoy]

Baezu isn't the worst Lynch but I feel like A.) Lucian is better and B.) Baezu feels naturally scummy as either alignment.

I'll vote there if Lucian doesn't gain traction to close scums mislynch paths however.

I don't condone the Baezu wagon either, feels like a bit of a reach considering they only have 6 posts, one of which might be AI, but can you refresh me on why you're still adamantly pushing my wagon?

[LucianRoy]

@skitter, since you said you were trying to appear scummy, could you go back and clarify some things? Notably your 719 naked town read on ofrz, and your inexplicable gutping for LUV being scum in 818. I liked a couple of Luv's takes so far this game, and some of their analysis seemed very town!mindset to me.

Those are my reads on both of them; i wasnt trying to be scummy in either of those posts

Can u point to some of luv's takes that u liked and explain why?

Firstly, I agree with their take on Buj's response to your push on him earlier in 749. In addition to that, it was probably an overreaction, but I kinda like just how confrontational it is in some ways. In other words, luv's analysis makes sense and doesn't seem faked to me. I also liked the way they tried to dissect my attempt to analyze TLK's iso in 401 in their 708 by comparing it to their own. It was non-conclusive, but I can easily see it being town motivated.

Also, speaking of TLK I really like his push on Vork, and don't really feel the doubt I had about his slot anymore. He's town for that, and other things in hindsight.

[LucianRoy]

Yeah I don't like how lucian called me crazy for thinking FL -skitter were distancing. That was a good observation from me like let's be honest. A better one if FL flips scum, but it even works if they're TvT since skitter was intentionally being scummy and using it to 1v1 gather reads on people.

But that's having it both ways? That's actually having it

all

ways considering your last line. Still don't see how you were confident in an SvS take between FL and skitter earlier, and the re-justification in this post just doesn't apply now that skit is conf. town.

[BrightEyedFish]

VC 1.14

skitter30 (6): Flavor Leaf, Firebringer, LucianRoy, NerfedBuJ, Baezu, Vorkuta

Krazy also was on the wagon before the conftown post so I added Ank below.

Flavor Leaf, Firebringer

,

LucianRoy, NerfedBuJ

,

Baezu

,

Vorkuta

,

Ank

I'm keeping my vote on Vork for now.

[BrightEyedFish]

Legend for above post:
These isn't necessarily a reads list more like a list on people I would like to lynch from Skitter's wagon.

Red = Top Lynch Candidates
Blue = could go either way
Green = No interest in lynching today

[LucianRoy]

@BEF how confident are your in your push on Vork rn? Your original reason didn't exactly do it for me.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF how confident are your in your push on Vork rn? Your original reason didn't exactly do it for me.

My original reason + the vote on skitter was an opportune position for scum to slip into a mislynch. Also, vork hasn't posted anything since that merits towncred from my pov.

[LucianRoy]

My original reason + the vote on skitter was an opportune position for scum to slip into a mislynch. Also, vork hasn't posted anything since that merits towncred from my pov.

I agree wholeheartedly with your last point, and I like your wagon.

Vork's had several strange moments toDay imo. Their shift to boom was kinda out of left field, but I chock that up to Sau's coercing. Their vote on you was also lackluster. In 798 they claim they've mostly been townhunting, and follow said post up in 802. My main problem with these posts is there's no real traceable progression to back up 802, like that's a lot of names he listed town, (/didn't include), but where's the beef? These statements are pretty overarching too, and don't say that much to me, other than that's the list of people he's fine with voting toDay.

VOTE: Vorkuta

Sooo... why are you content with sheeping FL and not pushing a read of your own?

[Vorkuta]

Btw I had no intention of following through on a skitter lynch- I voted based on FL's suggestion and would've unvoted (have proven track record of doing this) on intent to hammer.
The wagon progression was to help people scum hunt.

You guys have seen my readlist in #445 right?
Please tell me all of you have seen this before throwing out accusations

I am pushing Buj independently- he's just not responding to me

[NerfedBuJ]

Yeah I don't like how lucian called me crazy for thinking FL -skitter were distancing. That was a good observation from me like let's be honest. A better one if FL flips scum, but it even works if they're TvT since skitter was intentionally being scummy and using it to 1v1 gather reads on people.

But that's having it both ways? That's actually having it

all

ways considering your last line. Still don't see how you were confident in an SvS take between FL and skitter earlier, and the re-justification in this post just doesn't apply now that skit is conf. town.

Distancing basically scum theater.

Skitter has admitted she was acting scummy and gambitting. Ie theater. That's one half.

FL if scum obviously knew skitter is town and was acting funny but pushed it nonetheless to appear uninformed. Ie theater.

FL if town claims in 983 that he knew something was off and that skitter is possibly town but was pushing her anyway. Ie theater.

Why am I wrong in misreading such theatrics as SvS distancing?

[NerfedBuJ]

Btw I had no intention of following through on a skitter lynch- I voted based on FL's suggestion and would've unvoted (have proven track record of doing this) on intent to hammer.
The wagon progression was to help people scum hunt.

You guys have seen my readlist in #445 right?
Please tell me all of you have seen this before throwing out accusations

I am pushing Buj independently- he's just not responding to me

What exactly am I supposed to respond to?

[Vorkuta]

Your AtEs and interactions with others feel slightly off, your reads feel forced and agenda-driven.
Other people have said this, yet there's no "real wagon" on you.

[ofrhz]

Thinking buj is town

[Flavor Leaf]

If flavor knows skitter as much as he seems to think then he definitely could be scum.

I don't think he does

Pretty sure that his reactions during our thing yesterday were town-indicative

I disagree. You were actively being scummy. I had every reason to push you and think you are scum, especially day 1.