Mini 579 - The Plagues of Egypt Mafia - Over

[HackerHuck]

Actually, that's another thing I have against you, thanks for reminding me : you voted for Guardian while at the same time saying you didn't know if he were town or scum.

Quote please.

But here, I was talking about day 2 :
- your only attack this day (springlullaby bussing me) is pretty weak and hard to give credit to in my opinion - though I might be biased, so if someone else could comment on this...
- your Musher333 vote was only following Mr Stoofer with no additional argument -> weak vote
- you basically voted me just because someone else was voting me (and someone you're apparently suspecting of being scum, at that), while implying that you voted just to get the game going -> weak vote

How is this non-commital?

I also wouldn't characterise my vote on you as just to get the game going or just because someone else was. I just picked you over Springlullaby for those reasons. It doesn't make you less scummy.

[undo]

Not voting:

Musher333

With 9 alive, it's

5 to lynch

.

Looking for a replacement for thevampireofdusseldorf...

[lord_hur]

Actually, that's another thing I have against you, thanks for reminding me : you voted for Guardian while at the same time saying you didn't know if he were town or scum.

Quote please.

These are the two post you did after your actual vote :

I'm not sure if I need to repeat any of the things that everyone else has said about you Guardian. It should be obvious to you why Millers are bad news to the town. It's a crappy claim because the only way to prove it is by lynching you. Scum would never kill a miller, which means that the town has to do it at some point. The only good news is that cops won't bother wasting an investigation on you, but you pretty much blew that by crumbing cop to begin with.

Like the others, I think you forgot that I was already voting you, so my vote was more of a confirmation than anything else - hence the context.

If you're town, then I guess you did us a favor by claiming miller so we can kill you sooner rather than later, but that's small comfort.

In this one, you're only considering Guardian being town.

Jesters are pretty darn rare and I sure would hope that self-voting invalidates their win condition.

Guardian, I don't like how you keep trying to portray my vote on you as one that is based on your supposed millership. I had voted you prior to that and your claim has only cemented my vote. My comments were all related to how millers are bad news for the town. If you can tell me one good thing the miller does for the town, then I will admit I'm wrong (but I still won't pull my vote).

I've seen scum claim miller as often as I've seen town do it. It's not going to get you off the hook in my eyes.


I don't like how TVOD reacted by pushing the jester angle, but I'm not sure if it should be chalked up to newbishness.

In this one, Guardian was right (in my opinion) to believe you voted him for being a miller. We don't know what's in your head, but that's actually the way it appeared to me too. And you nail the "vote for townie" further by saying you won't unvote, even if he proves you you're wrong.

And to conclude this, you say metagaming couldn't tell you whether he had a greated chance to be scum or town...

But here, I was talking about day 2 :
- your only attack this day (springlullaby bussing me) is pretty weak and hard to give credit to in my opinion - though I might be biased, so if someone else could comment on this...
- your Musher333 vote was only following Mr Stoofer with no additional argument -> weak vote
- you basically voted me just because someone else was voting me (and someone you're apparently suspecting of being scum, at that), while implying that you voted just to get the game going -> weak vote

How is this non-commital?

Ah, maybe I used a wrong term. Sorry then, I just meant I think you didn't come up with any good arguments, in my eyes, during day 2, and thus that your votes are looking scummy to me.

[Mr Stoofer]

Since lord_hur and Musher333 are the two lynch leaders at the moment, I'd like to see each of them post detailed thoughts on the other.

Thanks.

[Musher333]

Sorry about not posting the last few days, i just got out of hospital earlier today and because of this would like to be replaced so i can shrink the amount of time i need to spend on here.

Sorry for the inconvience

[lord_hur]

Since lord_hur and Musher333 are the two lynch leaders at the moment, I'd like to see each of them post detailed thoughts on the other.

Thanks.

What part of post 561 would you like me to develop ?

Also, this question makes me a bit uneasy, as it could be viewed as an attempt to restrict votes to me or Musher333, or even (though this one is more far-fetched) as an incentive for me to hammer Musher333 to save my own hide.

[Mr Stoofer]

Prediction: this game will never be completed.

[Mr Stoofer]

Also:

OMFG how have we not lynched Musher yet? Do you guys not understand the fact that he gave himself away, by accusing me of being scum

for defending Guardian

. That means that

he knew that Guardian was scum

. And the only way he could have known that was if he was Guardian's scum buddy.

FFS guys, can we get this game going please?

[Musher333]

Also:

OMFG how have we not lynched Musher yet? Do you guys not understand the fact that he gave himself away, by accusing me of being scum

for defending Guardian

. That means that

he knew that Guardian was scum

. And the only way he could have known that was if he was Guardian's scum buddy.

FFS guys, can we get this game going please?

Why are you so eager to lynch me? Just thought i would stay here till i get replaced, im quite suprised that although you want to lynch me i havn't been asked to claim.

[Mr Stoofer]

I am eager to lynch you because (a) you are scum and (b)

this game is dying and I want it to get moving

.

[Musher333]

I am eager to lynch you because (a) you are scum and (b)

this game is dying and I want it to get moving

.

So you don't want a claim you just want to kill town to move the game on?

[springlullaby]

Musher, if you want to claim, then claim and save us the pushing around.

Notice to town: I think hinting at powerole or making threat about claiming to put The Fear of Lynching Blue in people is greatly anti-town in this game because of the non-cardflip. Atm, there is only way to do it: vote the scummiest player.

I'm still happy with my vote but I might be tempted to hammer Musher because your are doing absolutely nothing to make me feel you are town. The only thing holding me back now is that you were that bad a townie in Nice Mafia too.

Answer these questions now, who do you suspect most and why?

[springlullaby]

Also, hasgdfas, why are you not voting?

[hasdgfas]

Also, hasgdfas, why are you not voting?

Thank you for reading the vote count.

[springlullaby]

Yeah, sorry, your name is another color.

[HackerHuck]

First off, I think there's an interpretation issue. I'm not sure how literal you are being, but the only way I could be certain that Guardian is scum is if I were too. The crux of my arguments that rub you the wrong way is that I felt there was no downside to my being wrong. I've bolded the parts that support I felt Guardian was scum.

Actually, that's another thing I have against you, thanks for reminding me : you voted for Guardian while at the same time saying you didn't know if he were town or scum.

Quote please.

These are the two post you did after your actual vote :

I'm not sure if I need to repeat any of the things that everyone else has said about you Guardian. It should be obvious to you why Millers are bad news to the town. It's a crappy claim because the only way to prove it is by lynching you. Scum would never kill a miller, which means that the town has to do it at some point. The only good news is that cops won't bother wasting an investigation on you, but you pretty much blew that by crumbing cop to begin with.

Like the others, I think you forgot that I was already voting you, so my vote was more of a confirmation than anything else - hence the context.

If you're town, then I guess you did us a favor by claiming miller so we can kill you sooner rather than later, but that's small comfort.

In this one, you're only considering Guardian being town.

Jesters are pretty darn rare and I sure would hope that self-voting invalidates their win condition.

Guardian,

I don't like how you keep trying to portray my vote on you as one that is based on your supposed millership. I had voted you prior to that and your claim has only cemented my vote.

My comments were all related to how millers are bad news for the town. If you can tell me one good thing the miller does for the town, then I will admit I'm wrong (but I still won't pull my vote).

I've seen scum claim miller as often as I've seen town do it.

It's not going to get you off the hook in my eyes.


I don't like how TVOD reacted by pushing the jester angle, but I'm not sure if it should be chalked up to newbishness.

In this one, Guardian was right (in my opinion) to believe you voted him for being a miller. We don't know what's in your head, but that's actually the way it appeared to me too. And you nail the "vote for townie" further by saying you won't unvote, even if he proves you you're wrong.

I think that saying I won't unvote even if he convinces me that a miller is not bad for the town just proves that I believe he's scum and I'm not just voting him to get rid of a miller.

I'm also not happy with Mr Stoofer's press to lynch Musher to get the game moving. Especially with a replacement, I think fresh blood might reinvigorate this game a bit and I'm certainly not buying the case on Musher. If this were a full reveal game, I would agree that a lynch is helpful, but I don't believe that to be the case here.

[lord_hur]

Musher, if you want to claim, then claim and save us the pushing around.

Yay for even more role fishing. You basically said there that what you're hoping to get out of the "pushing around" was his role, and not to get scum lynched.

Unless you have another explanation ?


Also, I've already said that, but I will say it again : claiming is much more risky for town than in a normal game, because of the no-reveal rule. Town will NEVER (unless undo placed a special mechanism) know whether you lied or not, while scum will know your role as normal.

So, town, think twice about it.

But this is only my opinion : who, besides springlullaby, thinks Musher333 should claim and why ?

[lord_hur]

hasdgfas is apparently only following Mr Stoofer's opinion (he gave absolutely no reason for his vote, so that's my best guess).

Hello misrepresentation. Just because I didn't explicitly state my reasoning for my vote doesn't mean I'm just following stoofer. I definitely have reasons for it, but I really want to hear some defense from Musher before I say too much.

My bad, you're right. I would so like to hear his defense too (hell, even in his broken style, at this point).

[lord_hur]

Also:

OMFG how have we not lynched Musher yet? Do you guys not understand the fact that he gave himself away, by accusing me of being scum

for defending Guardian

. That means that

he knew that Guardian was scum

. And the only way he could have known that was if he was Guardian's scum buddy.

FFS guys, can we get this game going please?

Btw, I have an argument against this (and this is also why I'm not voting for him), but I don't want to help him in case he's scum, so I'll not post it before he defends himself.

[Musher333]

Well one thing im thinking about is if i get replaced will they be happy (the replacement) if i have claimed, on the other hand it will help my defense if i do so here it is:

I am the Doctor, i can protect one person each night.

[lord_hur]

Well one thing im thinking about is if i get replaced will they be happy (the replacement) if i have claimed

If you're town, how can you ask yourself this question and still claim ? I know I'd be furious if I replaced a doc who gave away his role without even trying to defend himself by simply refuting the arguments used against him...

Especially after everything I said against claiming in this game ><

[hasdgfas]

Well one thing im thinking about is if i get replaced will they be happy (the replacement) if i have claimed, on the other hand it will help my defense if i do so here it is:

I am the Doctor, i can protect one person each night.

Do you have some flavor with that?

[Musher333]

Yes sorry, the actual name given is a physician, i can protect one person each night from any curable disease and was entrusted by the pharoh.

[Mr Stoofer]

Every townie has received this standard message:

Welcome to Plagues of Egypt Mafia, [player].

[illustration of role]

You are [name], a [job]. You are a simple

townie

, with no special abilities.

I believe that every role has a name

as well as a

job title.

[lord_hur]

Yes, please disclose your name, it should not give additional info to scum

I'm not sure that your food type should be disclosed just yet though, as it might help them.