mini #585 - A Tempest Has Formed (Over), Thanks Patrick!!

Matt_S · Post Post #625 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:07 am

Cream147 wrote:
Matt_S wrote:
populartajo wrote:
populartajo wrote: Also I still dont see whats the wrong thing about Evilgorrilaz.
Can you explain me?
Evil hops onto an easy bandwagon(Mellowed), with the reason being that Mellowed hopped onto an easy bandwagon. At least I think that's how it's going.
You're a little off the mark. What makes evilgorillaz' action scummy is that he critcises other people for joining the easy wagon of Mellowed Man, yet joins it himself.

I knew I should have looked back to see when Skruffs made that quoted post. I thought it was being applied to the wagonee, not the wagoner.

populartajo · Post Post #626 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:54 pm

But you still unvoted and then "almost" voted him. Why?

Matt_S · Post Post #627 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:08 pm

populartajo wrote:But you still unvoted and then "almost" voted him. Why?

Because he's a hypocrite. I just thought he was a hypocrite in a different way.

Elias_the_thief · Post Post #628 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:47 pm

Can we try not derailing a good wagon because of a petty squabble? Obv distraction, kthxbai.

populartajo · Post Post #629 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:58 pm

Define good wagon.

Elias_the_thief · Post Post #630 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:09 pm

One that I like. This one has a combination of good reasoning and good potential for info gathering if MM is forced to respond and claim. This squabbling is detracting from the fact that MM has done some scummy stuff and needs to be held accountable.

Skruffs · Post Post #631 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:35 pm

Matt_S wrote:We get it. You hate the Skruffs wagon.

Who was this directed towards? Me? Yes, I hate the Skruffs wagon. I always hate the Skruffs wagon.

I made an observation about two people who rather quickly hopped onto MM. The point is not that I am trying ot say MM is town, or scum, but that the actions of these two players was, I thought, oppurtunistic.

Evilgorillaz ignored my quote in regards to them, but then tried to flip it by using it as an excuse for his voting of the same person as the other two. He said that he agreed with my previous usage of the quote in post 595, and then later said that everything that needed to be said "already had", in 601. However, these two posts are conflicting. Either he thought the usage of those words was good, in which case the two players I used it on WERE voting onto an easy wagon, in which case he shouldn't have followed along behind them... or he thought hte usage was wrong, in which case he shouldn't have agreed with me, and especially he shouldn't have used it against MM. Either way, he's either being hypocritical or he's avoiding scum hunting. Or both. Not sure.

Skruffs · Post Post #632 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:39 pm

Elias_the_thief wrote:One that I like. This one has a combination of good reasoning and good potential for info gathering if MM is forced to respond and claim. This squabbling is detracting from the fact that MM has done some scummy stuff and needs to be held accountable.

The impetus of both you and evilgorillaz seems to be to get MM to claim, and that's about all. Why?

Cream147 · Post Post #633 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:49 pm

Skruffs wrote:
Matt_S wrote:We get it. You hate the Skruffs wagon.
Who was this directed towards? Me? Yes, I hate the Skruffs wagon. I always hate the Skruffs wagon.

I made an observation about two people who rather quickly hopped onto MM. The point is not that I am trying ot say MM is town, or scum, but that the actions of these two players was, I thought, oppurtunistic.

Evilgorillaz ignored my quote in regards to them, but then tried to flip it by using it as an excuse for his voting of the same person as the other two. He said that he agreed with my previous usage of the quote in post 595, and then later said that everything that needed to be said "already had", in 601. However, these two posts are conflicting. Either he thought the usage of those words was good, in which case the two players I used it on WERE voting onto an easy wagon, in which case he shouldn't have followed along behind them... or he thought hte usage was wrong, in which case he shouldn't have agreed with me, and especially he shouldn't have used it against MM. Either way, he's either being hypocritical or he's avoiding scum hunting. Or both. Not sure.

*nods* This is what I thought.

Evilgorrilaz · Post Post #634 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:37 pm

Yes I thought your usage was correct. In hindsight, I was being a bit hypocritical by getting on the wagon. But I only got on the MM wagon after he had voted elias for no apparent reason that I could see. Wouldn't you call that scummy? Wouldn't that warrant a vote?

Patrick · Post Post #635 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:16 am

Votecount

Alvinz95 (1) -- Gaspode
Mellowed Man (5) -- Elias_the_thief, Cream147, populartajo, alvinz95, Evilgorrilaz
CoheedCambria09 (1) -- Marmalade
Evilgorrilaz (1) -- Skruffs
Matt_S (1) -- iamausername
Elias_the_thief (2) -- CoheedCambria09, Mellowed Man

Not voting: Matt_S
12 alive, 7 to lynch.

Cream147 · Post Post #636 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:56 am

Even though I can see an argument against evilgorillaz, I currently see a bigger argument against Mellowed Man, as it isn't based on solely one event. I still think that to move this game forward, we need Mellowed Man, and sorry if I didn't make this clear before Patrick by not bolding it but

can we have a prod on Mellowed Man please

?

populartajo · Post Post #637 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:33 am

Cream, why do you suspect Mellowed Man?

Cream147 · Post Post #638 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:04 am

I've said this several times, and I'll say it again. I suspect him for the fact that the people he vote-hops very often, with no reasoning at all, onto people who have either attacked him in some way or the popular vote at the time.

iamausername · Post Post #639 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:49 am

Mellowed Man has posted plenty in other games since his last post here, he's clearly just avoiding us and hoping some of the pressure will disappear before he's forced to post again. I no longer have a problem putting him at L-1.

Unvote, Vote: Mellowed Man

Cream147 · Post Post #640 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:29 am

iamausername wrote:Mellowed Man has posted plenty in other games since his last post here, he's clearly just avoiding us and hoping some of the pressure will disappear before he's forced to post again. I no longer have a problem putting him at L-1.

Unvote, Vote: Mellowed Man

Oh right, that changes a lot. The pressure nearly did start disappearing as well, with all this evilgorillaz thing. Is he actually capable of making a post that gives

reasons

for his actions though. We'll see.

populartajo · Post Post #641 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:32 am

I hate to do this but

unvote.

We just asked for a prod. Right, Patrick?

Ill give him 1-2 more days to claim. And I think we shouldnt rush things. This only benefits scum if MM is town. And if he's scum we will know.

Skruffs · Post Post #642 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:48 am

At this point I agree that MM needs to put some sort of effort into this game. Meta-defending him only goes so far, if he's not going to actually play I have no reason to back him.

Matt_S · Post Post #643 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:53 am

I'll give him a few more days. It'll sure suck if he has to get replaced.

Cream147 · Post Post #644 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:59 am

Matt_S wrote:I'll give him a few more days. It'll sure suck if he has to get replaced.

That would be a 9/10 on the suckage scale. What would we do with his replacement if that happened?

populartajo · Post Post #645 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:04 am

Cream147 wrote:
Matt_S wrote:I'll give him a few more days. It'll sure suck if he has to get replaced.
That would be a 9/10 on the suckage scale. What would we do with his replacement if that happened?

Prob the same thing we're asking MM to do?

Matt_S · Post Post #646 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:05 am

Well, the rational thing would be to hold the replacement accountable. You can't just give replacements a free ride.

Cream147 · Post Post #647 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:07 am

Matt_S wrote:Well, the rational thing would be to hold the replacement accountable. You can't just give replacements a free ride.

I agree that you can't give them a free ride, but on the other side, we can't expect him to defend Mellowed Man's actions either.

Matt_S · Post Post #648 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:09 am

Cream147 wrote:
Matt_S wrote:Well, the rational thing would be to hold the replacement accountable. You can't just give replacements a free ride.
I agree that you can't give them a free ride, but on the other side, we can't expect him to defend Mellowed Man's actions either.

That's why getting replacements sucks.

Elias_the_thief · Post Post #649 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:08 am

Skruffs wrote:
Elias_the_thief wrote:One that I like. This one has a combination of good reasoning and good potential for info gathering if MM is forced to respond and claim. This squabbling is detracting from the fact that MM has done some scummy stuff and needs to be held accountable.
The impetus of both you and evilgorillaz seems to be to get MM to claim, and that's about all. Why?

It is more efficient to focus on one major suspicion at a time, in my experience, and MM is my current top suspect. I'm not COMPLETELY focused on the claim though. I've also mentioned how I would like a response in general. I can't really speak for EG, or why you're making such a big deal of my attack, I feel its pretty well reasoned. Why have you been trying to detract from the wagon over the last couple pages, and why are you unhappy that people want a claim?