Open 74 - C/9ths (Game Over!) before 601

[dcorbe]

Here's how I see the game right now:

The Living:
Mokina (Pro-town, possibly either doctor or cop)
TheSweatpantsNinja (Scum, 100%)
Iron Man (Possible Scum)
ZombieSlayer54 (Possible Scum)
DarlaBlueEyes (Pro-Town)
Eldritch Lord (Most likely scum)
Snix (Possible Scum)
dcorbe (Claimed Townie)
sideney (50/50)
donkeyz12212 (No Read)
mike-zim (Pro Town)
Lowell (Pro Town)

[Eldritch Lord]

Why would you give away doc/cop/town reads if you were Pro-Town?

I believe you are scum, but if you are pro-Town that does not seem like an intelligent move.

[dcorbe]

Why would you give away doc/cop/town reads if you were Pro-Town?

I believe you are scum, but if you are pro-Town that does not seem like an intelligent move.

whatever dude

[DarlaBlueEyes]

thats nice to know but heres a few questions:

what on earth makes you think mokina is doc or cop?

why is mike-zim 100% town when he barly posts? because he agrees with you?

and Lowell, weren't you supportive of a Lowell lynch? *i could be wrong*

Giving a 100% on on TSN is a bit of a stretch imo, and if you do feel that strong, why not vote him?


Your list seems to be playing to certain players. and targetting many of the ICs for a lynch or NK (mokina as a cop/doc)

I would put it more like this:


Mokina (Hard to read has VERY scummy moments, and less scummy moments, 45% town)
TheSweatpantsNinja (if anyone had a PR I would lean here, but in all I am thinking town 60% town)
Iron Man (Not sure, I would give it a 50/50)
ZombieSlayer54 (pretty townie, seems to want scum gone, but I don't have a solid read 55% town )
Eldritch Lord (Seems scummy to me, but has moments that seem pro-town and slightly newb 40% town)
Snix (Seems pretty townie to me, has been consistent, 70% town)
dcorbe (Scummy acting, crap logic, 45% town)
sideney (no read, seems more scummy than town but too close to call, agree with the 50/50)
donkeyz12212 (misguided newbie 70% town)
mike-zim (Lurker, newbie, 50% Town)
Lowell (Apathetic, 60% Town)

[Mokina]

Mokina (Pro-town, possibly either doctor or cop)

I look way too suspicious for that sort of conclusion, at present.

Amusing as it may be for me to disagree with you, aggressive players like myself aren't necessarily protown. Moving one's vote quickly around could be scumhunting, but it could also be plain old scumtell (speaking as a bit of an IC).

Calling people out as power roles isn't a good idea either; if you're protown, the scum might take your advice and shoot me tonight. Other than a slightly better idea of who not to lynch, the town gains nothing from your suggestion. Putting together a list of suspicions is fine, but in general it's better to keep role-guessing out of it.

[Elmo]

Day 1, Vote Count #7

Eldritch Lord (4) <- ZombieSlayer54, mike-zim, DarlaBlueEyes, dcorbe
dcorbe (4) <- TheSweatpantsNinja, Eldritch Lord, Iron Man, donkeyz12212
Mokina (2) <- Snix, Lowell

Not voting: sideney, Mokina.
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

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And if you're town, there is no reason to claim. Its simply not pro-town. At all.

There is no reason to claim townie in this game.

The only claim that arguably makes sense is for cops to claim later so that they can claim results. . . and we should probably lynch claimed cops anyway.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

im waffling here.

I don't trust EL but dcorbe you're being ridiculously scummy.

Thinking thinking...

[ZombieSlayer54]

Mmm, yeah.

Unvote Eldritch Lord, Vote DCorbe

[Mokina]

There is no reason to claim townie in this game. The only claim that arguably makes sense is for cops to claim later so that they can claim results. . . and we should probably lynch claimed cops anyway.

On the other hand, dcorbe is a newbie. Newbies are prone to OMGUS suspicions, and they aren't exactly known for good reasoning with regard to roleclaims. If he's town, he might deem it suspicious behavior for anyone to doubt him. Foolishness should not be confused scumminess, so I'm is just reminding the town to tread carefully.

That said, foolishness is not an asset to the town and I am more comfortable lynching someone who might make bad decisions in the future. I'm not prepared to vote for him yet (nothing particularly stands out as scummy), but I have less objection to his lynch than that of one of the more analytical players.

[Mokina]

Sorry about the above post; I wrote it rather quickly. Hope you get the meaning, though.

[Lowell]

I'll be out for the rest of the week. Sorry, all.

(cue "Who can tell the difference?" joke)

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

On the other hand, dcorbe is a newbie. Newbies are prone to OMGUS suspicions, and they aren't exactly known for good reasoning with regard to roleclaims. If he's town, he might deem it suspicious behavior for anyone to doubt him. Foolishness should not be confused scumminess, so I'm is just reminding the town to tread carefully.

That said, foolishness is not an asset to the town and I am more comfortable lynching someone who might make bad decisions in the future. I'm not prepared to vote for him yet (nothing particularly stands out as scummy), but I have less objection to his lynch than that of one of the more analytical players.

I agree that its a newbie tell, but its not a newbie town tell, just a newbie tell, and he's already the scummiest player, plus he's just ensured that he's never going to be nked, and I don't really want him around at endgame, do you?

[Mokina]

I don't really want him around at endgame, do you?

Nope... but I'd rather lynch scum than new-town any day. Let's keep talking.

[mike-zim]

hmm this is hard. My suspicions have moved from El now his most recent posts have seemed more townie.

so

UNVOTE: EL

as for dcorbe i was so sure you were town but now with the claim and listing who is who (in your oppinion) it is a little sus. More than a little to be honest.

But for me Ironman is just a little more suspicious. He jumped in on his vote very oppotunistically

so

VOTE: Ironman

sorry if i seem inactive i am trying but i dont get alot of time work and study you know the drill.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Mokina: What you said sounds very nice, "I'd rather lynch scum then new-town," but maybe you missed the

if

he's town, with that claim, and the meltdown,

he will never be nightkilled.

He'll be around tomorrow. And the next day. And the next day. And, of course, there's still a good chance he's scum, because, y'know, his play fits the profile of new-scum just as well as it does new-town.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I agree with TSN here, if he can't be NK'd or 'Can't' be, and his play is this erratic and unpredictable, its a danger for the town.

In my mind I would lynch only three people today in this order:

EL
Dcorbe
Mokina

Mokina really is a last resort but she seems to really play to anyone who's under the gun or leading the charge.

[Mokina]

Mokina: What you said sounds very nice, "I'd rather lynch scum then new-town," but maybe you missed the

if

he's town, with that claim, and the meltdown,

he will never be nightkilled.

He'll be around tomorrow. And the next day. And the next day. And, of course, there's still a good chance he's scum, because, y'know, his play fits the profile of new-scum just as well as it does new-town.

Fair enough. Like I said earlier, I'm comfortable having him be today's lynch if there isn't an obvious alternative.

[donkeyz12212]

Sigh this is all too tough -_-.

I don't favor lynching someone who is lurking at the moment because it won't give us information right immediately. So far it has come to EL and Dcorbe and Mokina. I think EL is town. I'm a bit iffy on Dcorbe and Mokina. So I don't really know myself.

[Snix]

Firstly

unvote

Secondly, dcorbe has been digging himself a grave ever since the wagon on him started picking up steam. It means either he's town throwing a fit or Scum trying to scare off the 'nice' ones. Personally I don't think either is going to really help town.

Vote: Dcorbe

Lastly, he does have a point about this towns ADHD.

[Eldritch Lord]

I'd like to hear from you once more Dcorbe, before anyone hammers.

Even if all you've got is a re-cap.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I'd be willing to hammer, but I would like one last defense from dcorbe

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

I agree, let dcorbe speak, but we're limping to a 17-page day 1, and he really needs to be lynched. One note:

(if anyone had a PR I would lean here, but in all I am thinking town 60% town)

In an open game? Yeah, I don't have a PR. I just don't like long posts.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

lol I really am not sure, but you seem pretty confident, I wouldn't put any sock in that honestly, but in now way did I see where he was coming from about Mokina.

dcorbe, if you are lurking you're making me feel all the happier too see you go, please at least post, if you don't in like 36-48 hours or so I will drop the hammer. (maybe sooner, we don't have a deadline right?)

[Mokina]

I see where he was coming from about Mokina.

I must have missed it. What argument did dcorbe have against me?

I'm not going to hammer this one. I feel like the town should have no doubts by the time we reach L-1, and dcorbe seems like a desperate lynch to me.