Mature Mafia: Game Over

[Glork]

Either that or an SK pretending to be a Vig.

Regardless, our job right now is to find scums. DGB is a very good place to start.

[Axelrod]

Here is where I am coming from to start the day: Glork and Coron are probaby scum.

Pooky was suspicious of two people yesterday - Mathcam and Glork. Mathcam is dead and was town. I do not believe the scum would kill Pooky if he was that wrong about both of them. I mean why? In the hope that someone like me would come out today and make this exact point? Generally speaking, scum don't plan like that. They kill the perceived threats, not the people who are horribly off base/under massive suspicion.

Coron has been the worst contributer by a fair margin in the game. And his "also: vote DGB" just now is classic scum voting.

I also note that Glork has come out quickly against DGB this morning as well (this is not to say DGB is therefore clear - some kind of bussing plan is a possibility - but that seems less likely when no scum are down yet).

Feeling it more on Glork than Coron. I

really

didn't like the "Die scum Die" post at the end of the day yesterday. Can we say Over the Top?

Vote: Glork

[Glork]

Hahahahahahaha.

Axel's using nightkill choices to define his suspicions.

[DrippingGoofball]

vote: Glork

- Axel is right.

[Axelrod]

Hahahahahahaha.

Axel's using nightkill choices to define his suspicions.

Unless they flipped a coin, presumably there was a reason. Plus, you just haven't been your usual Glorky self.

I imagine I can work up a more compelling case later. I don't have the time or energy to do so now though.

[Coron]

Hahahahahahaha.

Axel's using nightkill choices to define his suspicions.

It's not a null tell, but still, this is a game full of experienced mature players, I don't think that nightkill choices are a very strong tell here.

And his "also: vote DGB" just now is classic scum voting.

Um? Just picking up where I left off yesterday.

[logicticus]

Now thinkin' Feebz/DGB.

Logic, what exactly prompted you to cite that D2 began?

after i unlocked the thread i wanted to bump it to the top so i put that day 2 was beginning.

[Axelrod]

And his "also: vote DGB" just now is classic scum voting.

Um? Just picking up where I left off yesterday.

Right. Did I mention what an incredibly weak vote that was?

[Coron]

And his "also: vote DGB" just now is classic scum voting.

Um? Just picking up where I left off yesterday.

Right. Did I mention what an incredibly weak vote that was?

You have not provided me with better reasons than my reasons for voting for DGB for anyone, ever, otherwise I would totally vote them.

[logicticus]

Here is where I am coming from to start the day: Glork and Coron are probaby scum.

Pooky was suspicious of two people yesterday - Mathcam and Glork. Mathcam is dead and was town. I do not believe the scum would kill Pooky if he was that wrong about both of them.

Vote: Glork

This totally ignores the matchcam kill simply for your case. How do you know the scum group killed pooky and not cam?

[Glork]

Here is where I am coming from to start the day: Glork and Coron are probaby scum.

Pooky was suspicious of two people yesterday - Mathcam and Glork. Mathcam is dead and was town. I do not believe the scum would kill Pooky if he was that wrong about both of them.

Vote: Glork

This totally ignores the matchcam kill simply for your case. How do you know the scum group killed pooky and not cam?

Winner winner chicken dinner.

[Adel]

Here is where I am coming from to start the day: Glork and Coron are probaby scum.

Pooky was suspicious of two people yesterday - Mathcam and Glork. Mathcam is dead and was town. I do not believe the scum would kill Pooky if he was that wrong about both of them.

Vote: Glork

This totally ignores the matchcam kill simply for your case. How do you know the scum group killed pooky and not cam?

Winner winner chicken dinner.

vote: Axelrod

[Macros]

going to go with this one

vote axelrod

but dgb is right behind him based on the me/cam/glork "supergroup" she was touting yestern

[Phoebus]

Aah! Poor Cameron...I see why he was in a pretty kettle of fish now...

My vote, a tribute to him...

[Talitha]

Pooky & Cam's death posts are a lot shorter than they used to be.
That your work, Macros?

vote: Axelrod

[Macros]

pookys had to curtailed after his crowing about his writing ability.
cams was an unfortunate casualty

[elvis_knits]

Here is where I am coming from to start the day: Glork and Coron are probaby scum.

Pooky was suspicious of two people yesterday - Mathcam and Glork. Mathcam is dead and was town. I do not believe the scum would kill Pooky if he was that wrong about both of them. I mean why? In the hope that someone like me would come out today and make this exact point? Generally speaking, scum don't plan like that. They kill the perceived threats, not the people who are horribly off base/under massive suspicion.

Coron has been the worst contributer by a fair margin in the game. And his "also: vote DGB" just now is classic scum voting.

I also note that Glork has come out quickly against DGB this morning as well (this is not to say DGB is therefore clear - some kind of bussing plan is a possibility - but that seems less likely when no scum are down yet).

Feeling it more on Glork than Coron. I

really

didn't like the "Die scum Die" post at the end of the day yesterday. Can we say Over the Top?

Vote: Glork

Pooky also seemed highly opposed to accepting that the setup was mountainous. Like maybe he had another power role.

He would be a good NK for that reason too.

[elvis_knits]

pookys had to curtailed after his crowing about his writing ability.
cams was an unfortunate casualty

The death scenes were much better before.

Where is your witty writing and jokes, buddy?

[Phoebus]

Eh Mac...you're better than that...aren't you?

[Macros]

its an abject lesson for pooky trying to upstage me
he shall enjoy no humour at my expense, nor from my labours.
carry on with the game people

[logicticus]

Current VC

Phoebus: 1
DGB: 1
Glork: 2
Axel: 3

I would love to hear a response from axel regarding his statement.

[Axelrod]

Here is where I am coming from to start the day: Glork and Coron are probaby scum.

Pooky was suspicious of two people yesterday - Mathcam and Glork. Mathcam is dead and was town. I do not believe the scum would kill Pooky if he was that wrong about both of them.

Vote: Glork

This totally ignores the matchcam kill simply for your case. How do you know the scum group killed pooky and not cam?

I am not "totally ignoring" the Mathcam kill. I do assume that the scum didn't kill him though. You haven't quoted my whole post - in particular, this part:

Generally speaking, scum don't plan like that. They kill the perceived threats, not the people who are horribly off base/under massive suspicion.

Here, Pooky is the one who is "horribly off base" (that is, if Glork is town) and Mathcam is the one who was "under massive suspicion," which he certainly was yesterday.

Do you disagree with that? I do not believe for one second that the scum would have chosen to kill Mathcam last night. Do you honestly think that?

It's not as if this is a great leap on my part. Note the reactions of both Coron

and

Glork first thing today:

So, what do people think of 2 deaths? Is there a vig at work? Seeing as people were suspicous of mathcam yesterday it seems like a possibility.

He doesn't seem to think the Mafia would have killed Mathcam, does he?

And Glork:

Either that or an SK pretending to be a Vig.

Doesn't seem to think it was the work of the Mafia either. States it was either a vigilante kill (which has a certain amount of logic to it) or a SK kill (which is really only possible if you think the hypothetical SK chose not to kill on N0, and then to kill the townie under the most suspicion N1, just so as to be able to attempt to claim vig. (all the time without knowing if there was an

actual

town vig., of course)

Do you find either of them suspicious for making this same "leap" that you are criticizing me for making?

Do you have a theory on what happened last night at all?

Incidentally, Glork appears to be reversing himself when he subsequently barns your comment with the "winner, winner chicken dinner remark." As though he now agrees it's suspicious to assume that the Mafia killed Pooky and not Cam. Which he did himself. But no, it's not that it's scummy to assume the Mafia killed Pooky, it's scummy to try and draw any kind of conclusions from that, right?

I think that's wrong.

Pooky also seemed highly opposed to accepting that the setup was mountainous. Like maybe he had another power role.

He would be a good NK for that reason too.

As I recall, Pooky was not the only one who indicated he was open to the possibility that the game might not be completely mountainous. If fact I know he wasn't the only one. And some of us judiciously didn't render an opinion on that one way or the other.

Even were that the case, you'd have to be arguing that the scum (if they did not include Glork) would look at Pooky and his voting strongly for both Glork and Mathcam yesterday, and decide that, regardless of his being so far off, that they still wanted him dead more than anyone else (including Glork, incidentally, who was defending Mathcam.) Is that possible? Yes, sure, anything is possible. But that's just not the way they usually work.

I'm going to do up a case thing later. I'll do one for Glork and Coron both. Although the three quick votes on me from other people are certainly less than encouraging here.

[Adel]

good posting.

unvote

[logicticus]

Here is where I am coming from to start the day: Glork and Coron are probaby scum.

Pooky was suspicious of two people yesterday - Mathcam and Glork. Mathcam is dead and was town. I do not believe the scum would kill Pooky if he was that wrong about both of them.

Vote: Glork

This totally ignores the matchcam kill simply for your case. How do you know the scum group killed pooky and not cam?

I am not "totally ignoring" the Mathcam kill. I do assume that the scum didn't kill him though. You haven't quoted my whole post - in particular, this part:

Generally speaking, scum don't plan like that. They kill the perceived threats, not the people who are horribly off base/under massive suspicion.

Here, Pooky is the one who is "horribly off base" (that is, if Glork is town) and Mathcam is the one who was "under massive suspicion," which he certainly was yesterday.

Do you disagree with that? I do not believe for one second that the scum would have chosen to kill Mathcam last night. Do you honestly think that?

I certainly think its a possibility. Maybe cam said something that upset them or caused them to worry about him, I dont know. But to categorically claim there is no way that cam was killed by the scum is very sloppy.

It's not as if this is a great leap on my part. Note the reactions of both Coron

and

Glork first thing today:

So, what do people think of 2 deaths? Is there a vig at work? Seeing as people were suspicous of mathcam yesterday it seems like a possibility.

He doesn't seem to think the Mafia would have killed Mathcam, does he?

And Glork:

Either that or an SK pretending to be a Vig.

Doesn't seem to think it was the work of the Mafia either. States it was either a vigilante kill (which has a certain amount of logic to it) or a SK kill (which is really only possible if you think the hypothetical SK chose not to kill on N0, and then to kill the townie under the most suspicion N1, just so as to be able to attempt to claim vig. (all the time without knowing if there was an

actual

town vig., of course)


Do you find either of them suspicious for making this same "leap" that you are criticizing me for making?

Do you have a theory on what happened last night at all?

I felt you were more suspicious because of the certainty that you decided who the scum kill was. Coron uses the word "possibility" and Glork seems to go along with his word choice.

My theory is there was a scum kill and probably an SK kill. I have played in several games where the SK was kill restricted N0, so this would seem to fall in line with those.

Incidentally, Glork appears to be reversing himself when he subsequently barns your comment with the "winner, winner chicken dinner remark." As though he now agrees it's suspicious to assume that the Mafia killed Pooky and not Cam. Which he did himself. But no, it's not that it's scummy to assume the Mafia killed Pooky, it's scummy to try and draw any kind of conclusions from that, right?

I think that's wrong.

Pooky also seemed highly opposed to accepting that the setup was mountainous. Like maybe he had another power role.

He would be a good NK for that reason too.

As I recall, Pooky was not the only one who indicated he was open to the possibility that the game might not be completely mountainous. If fact I know he wasn't the only one. And some of us judiciously didn't render an opinion on that one way or the other.

Even were that the case, you'd have to be arguing that the scum (if they did not include Glork) would look at Pooky and his voting strongly for both Glork and Mathcam yesterday, and decide that, regardless of his being so far off, that they still wanted him dead more than anyone else (including Glork, incidentally, who was defending Mathcam.) Is that possible? Yes, sure, anything is possible. But that's just not the way they usually work.

I'm going to do up a case thing later. I'll do one for Glork and Coron both. Although the three quick votes on me from other people are certainly less than encouraging here.

Trying to guess why the scum killed someone usually is an exercise in futility. For everytime there is a legitimate reason, there is a random reason. And with this player list, I dont think it will be easy at all to determine exactly why someone was nightkilled.

One person whose play today is less than thrilling me is Adel. She votes for axel after Glorks "Winner, winner chicken dinner" statement. Its like she was needing some outside approval before pulling the trigger. Then she unvotes after Axels post, which was a good post, but its like she feels the momentum of the wagon is dead. I dont like it.

vote adel

[DrippingGoofball]

Glork or Adel. These are the players I will vote for today.