Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[Twomz]

So... you are saying that you have multiple resurrects in a game with only 2 scum groups, one of which is a SK (or at the very least, multiple scum groups that only have one kill a night)?

I honestly don't believe you. Reading my death and resurrection, it appears as if jedi has something to do with my resurrection, or his shirt had no effect on me last night. My gut tells me that you're probably scum hoping that we'll just believe you for now. I know you're not a zombie cult leader because my alignment didn't change, but if I wasn't one of the resurrectees that would be the only way that I would believe your claim.

But, seeing as there are no dead people besides scum that you can resurrect, I have no qualms about giving you a chance to resurrect someone if we happen to mislynch in order to prove your ability (eventually one of the resurrectees will die and that will show alignment, I'm only concerned about figuring out if he has his ability or not).

[Nocmen]

Hmm...I'm not so sure on the claim of ressurection, though it does explain how it was able to happen twice now.

Unvote

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Though I do want more details on the role if possible.

[armlx]

Thats more than enough for me.

Vote TSS

[Simenon]

Thats more than enough for me.

Vote TSS

I wouldn't be too excited; you're next.

[armlx]

Thats more than enough for me.

Vote TSS

I wouldn't be too excited; you're next.

Sure, but it seems obvious enough to me TSS is trying to dodge out of the scenario and claimed right into an already claimed role.

[jediknight]

I will give a shirt to bel for sure. As for my thoughts on TSS, I have been honest from the start that I don't exactly know what my shirts do. I do find it very suspect that TSS chose to target the exact same people that I did. I am inclined not to believe him.

[mneme]

Jedi: er, is it? The two people resurected were the only two non-scum who've died.

The only reason to think the shirts have something to do with resurrection is the fact that they were mentioned in the death scenes and the res scenes.

[armlx]

The only reason to think the shirts have something to do with resurrection is the fact that they were mentioned in the death scenes and the res scenes.

And thats not a good reason?

[Twomz]

Hmmm, I just had a funny thought. Jedi targetted both the town players who have died... that's a pretty bad track record eh? But yeah, I'm not gonna do anything about it until this whole matter is resolved.

I do agree with Mneme, that there were only two choices for targets so his choices weren't odd and that's not a reason to disagree with his claim, the fact that I'm pretty sure it was your shirt that revived me is a reason to disagree with it though.

[armlx]

Note: If TSS does turn up resurrector, the aforementioned death cult theory about the shirts is probably right.

[jediknight]

I didn't really think about that mneme...it would make total sense that TSS targetted them if he is indeed telling the truth. I wasn't really thinking about that.

As for my shirts, I don't know what they're doing so I'm the wrong person to shed light on that. I will give Bel one of my shirts but that's about all I got to offer. If I'm creating a death cult then they're being ungrateful and not letting me play with them.



That last bits a joke people.

[curiouskarmadog]

i would like to hear him answer some questions before we hang him..

[mneme]

Note: If TSS does turn up resurrector, the aforementioned death cult theory about the shirts is probably right.

FOS: armlx

Trying to figure out how many of our power roles you can convince us to hang?

Because if TSS is lynched (bad idea, with a claim of resurector -- he's either mafia or he -is- a resurector, or the mafia will -kill- him...and I don't think he's mafia), and turns up resurector, then there -obviously- isn't a death cult thing with the shirts; because a death cult would mean that the dead people were coming back to life for two entirely separate reasons.

FWIW, I never really bought the idea that the colored shirts were bringing people back -- colored gifts usually indicate a set of -different- abilities that are handed out; and coming back from the dead is one ability. So while it's a conincidence (or not) that everyone who's town and has died recieved a shirt first (not a huge coincidence; it means Jedi and the mafia were playing from the same playbook, which almost makes sense), it's not surprising that someone else is responsible for the resurections (and if the shirts are one-use abilities, it's not surprising that they show up on death).

OTOH, if the shirts -do- give one-use abilities, I'd kinda expect the recipients to know about them -- so maybe not.

[Kison]

Note: If TSS does turn up resurrector, the aforementioned death cult theory about the shirts is probably right.

If he DOES turn up resurrector?

Simenon will stick to the original Kison vote but he likes Thyroid's case.

Case on who? If on me, then why the but?

[Nocmen]

If TSS really did res us, I don't think that would explain the shirts at all. Though I find it bad that jedi is saying who he will target with his shirts...makes it possible for the mafia to play things to harm him.

[the silent speaker]

Yes, Twomz, I have multiple resurrections. I agree that it seems overpowered without any other knowledge about balance, which is why I've been so insistent that the scum are probably a large powered group as well. Double/triple voter, millerizer, whatever armlx is, all that sort of thing would be entirely in keeping.

My role has no connection to jedi's shirts that I'm aware of. The mod declined to elaborate on his disclaimer of overreliance, so I had been assuming that there was a possibility that the player might come back evil or something, but I win with town. (Note: I do not think that either Twomz or Nocmen has in fact come back evil.)

If it's flavor you want, I'm Keith Richards, I found the secret to eternal life, and I pass it on because the Code is law no matter how many people say it's more like guidelines. If there is another player out there named Mick Jagger, I think he is immune to resurrection.

Anyone still voting me is an idiot or scum or (armlx) both. Simenon blocked all scum actions and I acted unblocked. Also, if I were mafia, I'd have been bringing back scum.

[the silent speaker]

Armlx:

Sure, but it seems obvious enough to me TSS is trying to dodge out of the scenario and claimed right into an already claimed role.

This is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. You think I

forgot

about

resurrections

?

Thats more than enough for me.

Vote TSS

So what you're saying is, "ZOMG LYNCH TSS NOW NO CLAIM CONFIRMATION DIE VITAL POWERROLE"? Hypocritical much?

[armlx]

Hardly hypocritical. Lynching someone because you disbelieve their info is miles above lynching someone who you are refusing to give a chance to offer up said info.

I guess the optimal plan is for Belg to receive a shirt though and if it does something other than resurrect assume TSS is town.

Unvote

Also

. Double/triple voter, millerizer, whatever armlx is, all that sort of thing would be entirely in keeping.

I C WUT U DID THER

Also, my last post is completely devoid of logic on reread. Thats what I get for posting 30 seconds before falling asleep.

[Nocmen]

Maybe the shirt is the reason why I am not certain about my stabilitiy?

[curiouskarmadog]

so let me make sure I got this right...jedi doesnt know what his shirts do..and the people who have the shirts dont know what they do..is this correct?

[Kison]

I don't get any response as to what happens with it. I just pick a target. In fact, I have no clue what they do.

As for my shirts, I don't know what they're doing so I'm the wrong person to shed light on that.

I was rezzed because of Jediknights yellow shirt (unless the fact that I was wearing it when I died and when I was rezzed was just pure coincidence).

I'm almost 100% certain that I'm alive because of jedi's shirt. Nocmen's shirt was a different color and did something else though, so idunno what to think about him being alive now.

Reading my death and resurrection, it appears as if jedi has something to do with my resurrection, or his shirt had no effect on me last night.

If TSS really did res us, I don't think that would explain the shirts at all.

They'd assumed it was resurrecting them, but if TSS is telling the truth then it seems to debunk that. It's a fairly gutsy claim for TSS to pull.

[curiouskarmadog]

TSS how many times can you bring the same person back?

[armlx]

Also, can you bring back lynched players?

[Shanba]

Actually, Tss, please just list all limitations on your role.

Unvote

Whether or not I revote is entirely dependent on your answer.

[the silent speaker]

I have not been informed of any inability to bring back a person more than once, although I suspect that whatever risk or penalty applies to balance my role accumulates the more often the same person goes down and gets up and goes down and gets up.

I have not been informed of any restriction against bringing back the lynched, and since dead is dead I have been operating under the assumption that I can do so with no greater penalties than bring back the nightkilled would bring.

Shanba, when you fake a person's death as scum, does that person subsequently become a miller? If your answer is no, I insist that you agree NOW to fake KScope's or mneme's death (I prefer Scope as 'more confirmed' town) tonight so that tomorrow night he can be investigated. I would volunteer myself to be investigated but that would be blatantly self-serving; anyone who wants to is welcome but remember that a guilty only proves that

either

Shanba or I is lying.