This vote needs moreDarlaBlueEyes wrote:vote: Eldrich
Emphasis mine.Eldritch Lord wrote:I don't think its suspicious at all, putting pressure on people is a good way to learn more about them (how they react, if they procrastinate or shrug responsibility, etc.), and more importantly how scummy they are(n't).It's not a quick-lynch, it's just pressure. However, it is kind of odd that Mokina would defend random voting--but still concede that random lynching is bad.
So you vote me for agreeing with someone, on something that is commonly accepted as true? How are people following you? So far your most convincing argument is that we both are voting you. We agree with each other, how is that wrong?For buddying up with Mokina since early game, and because I think a MokinaXSnix scumpair is viable from what I've seen as of so far. Though, to be honest buddying up the way you have is probably a bit too obvious a scumtell to come from intelligent, experienced players such as yourselves. That is why I am voting for you, Snix, rather than Mokina; because although I am suspicious of the both of you--she has more votes and I would like to see how this ganging up you guys have thus far seemed fond of changes in reaction to this post rather than pushing for a lynch.
I keep forgetting to add quotes to my posts, this was directed towards Darla.Eldritch Lord wrote:Thank you for posting a vote based on my playstyle rather than content or scum-clues and offering no actual reasoning right before a period when you know you'll have limited access to mafiascum.net It makes perfect sense.
Neither of these agreements-the vote or the random-lynch is extraordinary by itself. But your stubborn resistance to let go of a vote that seems to be going nowhere thus far, combined with both of these agreements with Mokina is slightly suspicious. Mokina has backed off and shared the same reasoning as yourself (which you admit) and yet you refuse to back off. Has your logic reached a schism with Mokina's or are you covering your own ass rather than scumhunting? (Because if you truly believe that Mokina is still right, there is no reason you should be voting for me, so the only logical pro-Town answer would be that you no longer agree with Mokina.)Snix wrote:So you vote me foragreeing with someone, on something that is commonly accepted as true? How are people following you? So far your most convincing argument is that we both are voting you. We agree with each other, how is that wrong?
This almost screams self-interest that goes beyond finding the actual scum. Why would you "really need to be looking at TSN" and still hold your vote for me? 'Attacking' *read: Pressuring* someone for an entirely OMGUS action is more important than casting bandwagon votes without reasoning in your mind? Is it more scummy? {Eagerly awaiting your reply.}Snix wrote: Who we really need to be looking at right now is TSN. He comes on after some comedical dayvig and promptly tells you to chill down and then votes me anyway without so much as a lick of his own reasoning.
My vote stands because anyone that attacks someone for an entirely OMGUS reason should be scrutinized.
My ability to proofread escapes me for some reason, I meant to say:Eldritch Lord wrote:'Attacking' *read: Pressuring* someone for an entirely OMGUS action is more important than casting bandwagon votes without reasoning in your mind?
If you believed someone was scum, had no one else that was on your radar, and yet still no one followed you; you'd give up? That's good hunting there.Eldritch Lord wrote:Neither of these agreements-the vote or the random-lynch is extraordinary by itself. But your stubborn resistance to let go of a vote that seems to be going nowhere thus far, combined with both of these agreements with Mokina is slightly suspicious. Mokina has backed off and shared the same reasoning as yourself (which you admit) and yet you refuse to back off. Has your logic reached a schism with Mokina's or are you covering your own ass rather than scumhunting? (Because if you truly believe that Mokina is still right, there is no reason you should be voting for me, so the only logical pro-Town answer would be that you no longer agree with Mokina.)
Yes, he could just be really dumb. You on the other hand have over-reacted to nothing. I attack a small set of ideals that is almost largely believed on this site as wrong and you go ballistic.This almost screams self-interest that goes beyond finding the actual scum. Why would you "really need to be looking at TSN" and still hold your vote for me? 'Attacking' *read: Pressuring* someone for an entirely OMGUS action is more important than casting bandwagon votes without reasoning in your mind? Is it more scummy? {Eagerly awaiting your reply.}
Ok, here begins my rant against Eldritch.Eldritch Lord wrote:Thank you for posting a vote based on my playstyle rather than content or scum-clues and offering no actual reasoning right before a period when you know you'll have limited access to mafiascum.net It makes perfect sense.
Anyways, how about we give Snix a chance to voice his thoughts. There we go, Snix, open mic.
Oh! I know! I know!Eldritch Lord]Neither of these agreements-the vote or the random-lynch is extraordinary by itself. But your stubborn resistance to let go of a vote that seems to be going nowhere thus far, combined with both of these agreements with Mokina is slightly suspicious. Mokina has backed off and shared the same reasoning as yourself (which you admit) and yet you refuse to back off. Has your logic reached a schism with Mokina's or are you covering your own ass rather than scumhunting? (Because if you truly believe that Mokina is still right, there is no reason you should be voting for me, so the only logical pro-Town answer would be that you no longer agree with Mokina.) [/quote] Ok, what the hell? Is someone now scummy just because they maintain a vote on someone they believe to be scummy when everyone else disagrees with them? Is having an opinion different from the majority now scummy? And just because they both agree on a few points does not necessarily mean they both agree on how scummy those points make someone seem. While we are on that, [b]FoS on Mokina[/b], for 52. She seemed to back off quite suddenly, and with no real reason. [quote= wrote: This almost screams self-interest that goes beyond finding the actual scum. Why would you "really need to be looking at TSN" and still hold your vote for me? 'Attacking' *read: Pressuring* someone for an entirely OMGUS action is more important than casting bandwagon votes without reasoning in your mind? Is it more scummy? {Eagerly awaiting your reply.}
It was sarcasm, which was probably a poor choice on my part as sarcasm has a tendency to lose its value somewhere between the fingers and the keyboard. Still, if I were to say vote for you with no reasoning whatsoever, simply saying "I don't like his playstyle" which is exactly what Darla did, you wouldn't like it. That sarcasm was my way of asking her if she had any logical process she could share. So allow me to be more direct, Darla: Do you have any reason beyond "not liking my playstyle" for voting for me?ZombieSlayer54 wrote:Or was that sarcasm? Kind of hard to tell.
If it was, play style is STILL a big thing in deciphering whether or not someone is scum.
She had no reason to hold the vote. FoS'ing her into hopping on your bandwagon seems like a tad too much.Mokina wrote:I'm still watching you, but like I said, holding a vote without reasoning is a bad move... and one I would be loath to commit.
Me thinking eldritch lord needs to calm down a little has nothing to do with me potentially agreeing with him. . . and you conveniently left out the later posts in which I did provide my reasoning.snix wrote: Who we really need to be looking at right now is TSN. He comes on after some comedical dayvig and promptly tells you to chill down and then votes me anyway without so much as a lick of his own reasoning.
I check in three times a day. It just so happens that when I checked in that time, a lot of posting had gone on. Therefore, I needed to respond to it then and there.Eldritch Lord wrote:It was sarcasm, which was probably a poor choice on my part as sarcasm has a tendency to lose its value somewhere between the fingers and the keyboard. Still, if I were to say vote for you with no reasoning whatsoever, simply saying "I don't like his playstyle" which is exactly what Darla did, you wouldn't like it. That sarcasm was my way of asking her if she had any logical process she could share. So allow me to be more direct, Darla: Do you have any reason beyond "not liking my playstyle" for voting for me?ZombieSlayer54 wrote:Or was that sarcasm? Kind of hard to tell.
If it was, play style is STILL a big thing in deciphering whether or not someone is scum.
She had no reason to hold the vote. FoS'ing her into hopping on your bandwagon seems like a tad too much.Mokina wrote:I'm still watching you, but like I said, holding a vote without reasoning is a bad move... and one I would be loath to commit.
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FoS: ZombieSlayer54
Popping once a day to post some giant rant, joining a bandwagon, and FoS'ing other people for already justified vote-drops does not a Townie make. (Mokina felt she had nothing to go on, and did say she would continue to watch me.) Snix still catches my eye, but I will reserve my judgment at this time, he made some good points regarding my logic. Something you failed to do, ZS--Your rant was nothing more than that, an emotionally zealous rant.
ZombieSlayer54 and Snix both have the same general viewpoint, and it differs from mine. While we all agree that your perception of no-lynch and random voting is incorrect and antitown, I am under the impression that ZombieSlayer54 and Snix find it plain scummy. I don't, since you're obviously trying to analyze the situation calmly and you resemble several intelligent, new-town people I have played alongside in the past.EL wrote:Also, Mokina-my question stands.
It's easy enough to confirm whether this is his first game or not. Look at his posting history.Mokina wrote:ZombieSlayer54 and Snix both have the same general viewpoint, and it differs from mine. While we all agree that your perception of no-lynch and random voting is incorrect and antitown, I am under the impression that ZombieSlayer54 and Snix find it plain scummy. I don't, since you're obviously trying to analyze the situation calmly and you resemble several intelligent, new-town people I have played alongside in the past.EL wrote:Also, Mokina-my question stands.
I would urge both of the abovementioned people to consider the possibility that he is simply new to the game. This is his first game on Mafiascum, and it's quite conceivable that he doesn't know about the nolynch/randomvote conventions.