Open 74 - C/9ths (Game Over!) before 601

[Snix]

Yes but random voting makes discussion and lets us know more about people which will help us lynch more effectively. Are you saying we should vote no-lynch day one?

[Eldritch Lord]

Don't jump to conclusions, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that Day 1 has no deadline thus far, so there's no need to rush Day 1. Voting no-lynch is affordable on Day 1 when you have this many people, but that doesn't make it smart--it's still a pretty pro-Scum move.

[Mokina]

Still, I find random voting rather scummy, why would we eliminate one of our members by voting for them if we didn't know anything about them--or hardly anything. There's a greater chance the person will come up Town. So, until we know more, since we have no deadline I'm going to try to avoid setting up an easy hammer.

Well put. You're completely right; random lynching is pointless and idiotic on the part of the town. But random voting almost never entails a lynch. At risk of cliche, it simply serves to spur discussion. Questions arise from random voting:

"Why did you vote for me? That's a stupid reason; you're just trying to lynch a newbie. Look, a bandwagon! Do you think so-and-so is trying to follow the town? Do you think so-and-so is scum?"

The people accused of "acting scummy during random voting" then defend themselves. Think of it this way; it's impossible to make an informed decision at this stage, but there's also nothing to talk about (and thus it's hard to become informed). Enter random voting.

[Eldritch Lord]

Hm, after re-reading my post to see if I caused any confusion, I realized that I specifically stated that I meant we should wait because we have no deadline on Day 1.

Please read my posts completely.

[Eldritch Lord]

That was directed towards Snix, just to be clear.

[Snix]

It was a question. A simple trap laden question, but a question none the less. No need to get so defensive.

I also don't think that no-lynch is affordable. Every lynch, scum lynch or not, gives information to the living the next day. Like who hammered the lynch, who pushed the lynch, who was just along for the ride. All very good sources of information. I don't see a real point for voting no lynch unless everything is split and a deadline will just have the person with the most lynches lynched.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote mokina

for correcting me.

Oh, and hi.

[donkeyz12212]

That puts Mokina at a L-4

I think it takes 7 to lynch correct?

Still time. Are you nervous at all Mokina? How are you feeling.

[Snix]

Please say you're joking donkeyz.

Otherwise that'd me mildly suspicious.

[donkeyz12212]

How is that suspicious? I'm just indicating the obvious

12 players, 7 players to vote mokina to lynch. Simply it.

Just questioning Mokina and her thoughts, thats all at this present time since she is the one with the most lynch votes against her (3)

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

I "dayvigged" lowell because like for him, he was one of the only players I knew.

I could've just voted for him, but, y'know, it was the very first post of the game, so its not like it mattered too much.

Mokina, eldritch lord, and donkeyz all need to chill just a tad. No one's in any danger of being lynched. But eldritch: even

suggesting

no-lynch is anti-town at this stage of the game.

[Eldritch Lord]

I don't think its suspicious at all, putting pressure on people is a good way to learn more about them (how they react, if they procrastinate or shrug responsibility, etc.), and more importantly how scummy they are(n't). It's not a quick-lynch, it's just pressure. However, it is kind of odd that Mokina would defend random voting--but still concede that random lynching is bad.

Vote Snix

For buddying up with Mokina since early game, and because I think a MokinaXSnix scumpair is viable from what I've seen as of so far. Though, to be honest buddying up the way you have is probably a bit too obvious a scumtell to come from intelligent, experienced players such as yourselves. That is why I am voting for you, Snix, rather than Mokina; because although I am suspicious of the both of you--she has more votes and I would like to see how this ganging up you guys have thus far seemed fond of changes in reaction to this post rather than pushing for a lynch.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Undayvig, vote snix.

In spite of having just told him to chill out, I approve of eldritch lord's product and/or service.

[sideney]

Vote Snix

For buddying up with Mokina since early game, and because I think a MokinaXSnix scumpair is viable from what I've seen as of so far. Though, to be honest buddying up the way you have is probably a bit too obvious a scumtell to come from intelligent, experienced players such as yourselves. That is why I am voting for you, Snix, rather than Mokina; because although I am suspicious of the both of you--she has more votes and I would like to see how this ganging up you guys have thus far seemed fond of changes in reaction to this post rather than pushing for a lynch.

At page 2 and you have a scum pair? And , moreover, you have someone that agree with you. If this wan't too idiot i can think that you and TheSweatpantsNinja are the scum.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Um, who can spot the blatant contradiction in that statement?

For the record, I doubt mokina and snix are the scum, snix is the noteworthy person for me.

[Eldritch Lord]

To not have a scumpair at any given time is a waste, I find it more efficient to put specific people under near-ludicrous scrutiny rather than kind of scan over everyone and have a chance of missing the scum.

Also, I don't agree at all with TSN until this page, rather than doing it from the start of the game. We have different interests, the common one is getting some pressure on Snix. I actually have something to go on, although I'd like to hear his reasoning a bit more.

[Mokina]

Just questioning Mokina and her thoughts, thats all at this present time since she is the one with the most lynch votes against her (3)

I feel mildly betrayed, thanks.

However, it is kind of odd that Mokina would defend random voting--but still concede that random lynching is bad.

I hold onto this position quite firmly. Random voting allows us to see people's defense/accusation tactics without anything significant at stake. It's scummy to keep a random vote for a long time, but it's protown to encourage discussion (I know, I've said it a billion times before).

[ZombieSlayer54]

There's nothing wrong with a good ol' bandwagon now and then. Apart from the discussion aspect, bandwagons are a useful scumhunting tool. And don't think you're above it; you just bandwagoned with donkeyz12212 against me.

I'm not going to push it, however, as I don't really have anything to go on besides the fact that you voted for me. Still, I find random voting rather scummy,

why would we eliminate one of our members by voting for them if we didn't know anything about them--or hardly anything.

There's a greater chance the person will come up Town. So, until we know more, since we have no deadline I'm going to try to avoid setting up an easy hammer.

Unvote

Slight FoS: Mokina

There is a HUGE difference between random voting and random lynching. HUGE difference.

[ZombieSlayer54]

So does any form of talking, assuming both sides of the discussion are willing to converse.

Vote: Mokina

Bandwagoning with a parenthetical excuse is still bandwagoning.

Because talking about the numerical value of pi in a Mafia game serves to prompt discussion...

[Mokina]

3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348...

...nope, not working.

In all seriousness, putting pressure on players (even if there's no concrete reason to do so) is the only way to provoke discussion about another person's tactics. For instance, if it's random, why did they pick that player? It looks scummy to pick a newb, etc.

[ZombieSlayer54]

I don't think its suspicious at all, putting pressure on people is a good way to learn more about them (how they react, if they procrastinate or shrug responsibility, etc.), and more importantly how scummy they are(n't). It's not a quick-lynch, it's just pressure. However, it is kind of odd that Mokina would defend random voting--but still concede that random lynching is bad.

Vote Snix

For buddying up with Mokina since early game, and because I think a MokinaXSnix scumpair is viable from what I've seen as of so far. Though, to be honest buddying up the way you have is probably a bit too obvious a scumtell to come from intelligent, experienced players such as yourselves. That is why I am voting for you, Snix, rather than Mokina; because although I am suspicious of the both of you--she has more votes and I would like to see how this ganging up you guys have thus far seemed fond of changes in reaction to this post rather than pushing for a lynch.

If that quote was responding to 35...

But eldritch: even suggesting no-lynch is anti-town at this stage of the game.

How is no lynching putting pressure on someone?

Maybe because there is a HUGE difference between random voting and random lynching? HUGE difference?

When both people scum hunt and share the same logic, they are scum buddies?

Although I will agree that 33 and 15 are slightly suspicious.

[Eldritch Lord]

Yes, perhaps I voiced my opinion a bit too strongly, or worded it in the wrong manner. Allow me to clarify ZS, I don't want a random lynch or a no lynch, I don't think it would be a good idea.

And yes, they are slightly suspicious which is why I have turned a majority of my focus towards them. No one else has done something that catches my eye as much as this--though Mokina does seem to be earnest enough.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

I agree with you about snix's buddying up to mokina, I think it unlikely to make them scumbuddies. It is more likely to make snix scum.

And yes, there is a difference between random votes and random lynches. One is fine, if a tad boring (although I started off by random dayvigging, so really, what do I know?), and the other is bad.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote snix

. To give Eldrich's ideas some legs.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

vote: Eldrich ... don't like your play style thus far.

I will be somewat L/A until wed eve.