Mini 555 --- LDF Mafia -- Game Over!

[eljcko]

I won't deny that fish at D2 Sly, but I will say that it was said before I deduced a partial reveal type game.

What is being revealed, not full info. We get name and alliance. Sarcastro is not giving roles after death, that is what he is hiding. Andy's #3 is when fishing like that should have stopped, after the Pope explained the reveal system.

Also, are you reading the comic more Sly, or are you obtaining your knowledge some other way.

[SlySly]

What is being revealed, not full info. We get name and alliance. Sarcastro is not giving roles after death, that is what he is hiding.

Oh, I thought you meant that you thought Thanatos was only partially revealing something.

Does this mean that your entire case against Thanatos is based on role fishing?

When this day started, I thought the same thing that Thanatos posted. I thought it was rather strange that no power roles had died yet until I read back through and reminded myself that this game was only partial reveal. I don't see his post as a scum tell as I thought the exact same thing the first time I saw the post.

Hopefully we will get a replacement for Thanatos soon.

Also, are you reading the comic more Sly, or are you obtaining your knowledge some other way.

I have read up and gained much knowledge about the characters of LDF.

[eljcko]

I have a feeling that this will last a while as a stalemate.

[SlySly]

I sense an impasse, as well.

[JDodge]

I sense this game needs a swift kick in the ass.

[Sarcastro]

A replacement for Thanatos is on his way.

[SlySly]

Assuming there have been no successful role blocks and will continue to be none, here are the possibilities that I see remaining...

1)

2 scum(1 team)
4 town

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2)

3 scum(1 team of 2, 1 team of 1(hasdgfas' partner))
3 town

This scenario puts us at LYLO now. No room for error. Now.

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It is my understanding that an SK has to kill every night where a vig can kill when they choose. If this is the case, the lack of 2 kills during N0, leans to there not being an SK and there not being a vig kill on the first night.

I am still fairly a newb, help me out here. Generally, in a multi-scum group game, is it possible for one scum group to unknowingly NK a member of another scum group?

Am I missing another possibility?

[Sarcastro]

Alabaska J replaces Thanatos.

[Alabaska J]

Hey! I'll post soon, hopefully.

[Alabaska J]

Wow the case against me is crap. Notice my predecessor also missed lovo18's claim. Him missing the structure of the reveals isn't that farfetched, IMO.

With four scum (two groups), it is 4/13 scum ratio with crosskill possibility. With one scumgroup, it would be 3/13, and I would have to say that we have an sk for balance reasons.

Also, I believe I'm at L-1. *checks* Yep I am. I am a little nervous, so claim time.

I am Naomi Hunter, the doctor of FOXHOUND. Now let's get to finding scum! Tomorrow I will hopefully be able to post some of my thoughts b/c my AP tests will all be complete.

[eljcko]

unvote: vote lloyd

albaska's claim should be the kick we need.

I chose to vote for lloyd over andy because I do not agree with the case on Andy right now.

I vote lloyd because he has barely posted at all in this game, and while I checked his posting records, he probably has a tendency to do this type of thing. But I figure a bit of pressure should get more talking out of him. Plus there is the decent possiblity that lloyd is lurking and trying to avoid the heat because he is scum/SK.

[Lloyd]

SlySly, did you happen to waste it again last night?

No, I did not waste it again last night.

OK. Given your eagerness for Andy, I think you investigate him last night. No need to confirm / deny one way or another.

I am Naomi Hunter, the doctor of FOXHOUND.

Alabaska, I wish you hadn't claimed. I do believe your claim, and that's precisely why I wish you hadn't done it. If we are in LYLO (as Sly described in scenario 2), then a claim by a real doctor (assuming your claim is true) has essentially made the game sure-loss, unless we can your death from here on out.

I figure a bit of pressure should get more talking out of him.

eljcko, if you want me to post, you can also ask in bold letters without voting. Your vote for me seems opportunistic.

I post when I have something valuable to contribute, and I still feel strongly about Andy being scum.

I'm in the heat already, since I was the first to point out suspicious points against Andy.

SlySly's posts in pushing for Andy's lynch seems slightly over-eager.
At first, I viewed it as suspicious-ness, then I thought it was possible new-ish-ness, but I now think it's most likely that SlySly investigated Andy last night.

eljcko, the fact that you don't seem convinced of the reasons against Andy, preferred Thanatos previously, and now me, makes me think it's more likely that you are teamed with Andy (as opposed to Jdodge, which I originally suspected).

With that said, I still think Andy is a better candidate to be lynched than you, or anyone else, at this point.

[Andycyca]

Do you know whether Alabaska's role is protective? After all, Naomi's helped building a cyborg, the "doctor" part of "Dr Naomi Hunter" doesn't mean she's a medical person, rather someone with a high degree of studies within a particular field of study.

FoS: Lloyd

[JDodge]

Do you know whether Alabaska's role is protective? After all, Naomi's helped building a cyborg, the "doctor" part of "Dr Naomi Hunter" doesn't mean she's a medical person, rather someone with a high degree of studies within a particular field of study.

FoS: Lloyd

Andy, does your role fit your rolename?

[Alabaska J]

Alabaska, I wish you hadn't claimed. I do believe your claim, and that's precisely why I wish you hadn't done it. If we are in LYLO (as Sly described in scenario 2), then a claim by a real doctor (assuming your claim is true) has essentially made the game sure-loss, unless we can your death from here on out.

Well, I was at L-1 and it wasn't looking good. Lynching me if we are in LYLO is also a game sure-loss.

[eljcko]

well, lloyd, I am sorry for not corresponding to your preferred call to post. It is not an opportunistic vote, it was the first of this kind and I had no real intentions of bandwagoning you. It means very little, and FOS's are stupid IMO and I rarely use them.

Stupid reasoning by Andy there, but JD covered that anyway.

[SlySly]

the "doctor" part of "Dr Naomi Hunter" doesn't mean she's a medical person, rather someone with a high degree of studies within a particular field of study.

Naomi does genetics research for Foxhound R & D. Genetics are part of the medical field. IMO, fits the flavor of "doctor" for this game perfectly.

[SlySly]

Nobody asked me a reason for my random vote

Anywayz ...

SCUM = 19+3+21+13 = 56
ELJCKO = 5+12+10+3+11+15 = 56

Confirm Vote : Eljcko

That was very clever of you. So clever, in fact, that I was tempted to vote for myself. But that would be dumb. But is the inverse true? Let's see the truth value of this. A=26, Z=1.

Eljcko = 22+15+17+24+16+12= 106
Scum = 8+24+6+14= 52

Since the inverse is false, you cannot make this 100% true. Therefore this logic is not 100% reliable.

unvote, vote ooba

for having unreliable math and not completely reliable logic. And you thought you could trick me. HAHA

Nice how this made you sweat so hard that you took some serious time to do reverse number calculations to discredit it and how quick it was to get you to jump on the ooba wagon, coincidentally, right after Andy boarded.

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It means very little, and FOS's are stupid IMO

I am a bit iffy on you voting on SGK, only because I saw an FOS more sutable.

Wishy, washy.

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I really don't care for that type of voting like you could care less what happens,

FOS: Lovo

. I am also wathcing ooba and korts, since they are not clean either.

Note the FOS put on lovo.

Funny how you cast suspicion on the exact same 3 now confirmed innocents Andy had cast suspicion on, which I pointed out in my #397(Copycat) post. It took Andy 2 posts and 2 summarization sentences, to do what you did in one sentence, you are quite the eager beaver!

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FoS: eljcko

[Sarcastro]

Vote Count:

2 – Alabaska J – (JDodge, Andycyca)
2 – Andycyca – (Lloyd, SlySly)
1 – Lloyd – (eljcko)

6 Alive, 4 to Lynch

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote: Andycyca

[Andycyca]

Yes, my role goes with my rolename

*shrug* Don't lynch me! I'm with Foxhound. I'm Ocelot!

[SlySly]

unvote

while I think over this claim.

[Alabaska J]

Ocelot? Vanilla?

[eljcko]

May I remind all that you Ocelot has Chronic Back-Stabbing Syndrome.

Ocelot being vanilla is not that surprising. lovo's character (campbell?) is allegedly vanilla.

Also, I am personally sick of JD taking this game in cruise control and thinking he doesn't have to explain a bit of what he does. Did you ever explain your ooba vote.

unvote

Sly:

-My first ooba vote with the math was just to have a little fun, unless thats on your list of 10,000 scumtells. We were studying inverses in my geometry class and it was still fairly random.

-As I am gaining my experience on this site, I have developed new opinions and tweaked how I play the game. I now see FOS's as silly things, I did not back then. Don't go and say, "if FOS's are silly why did you defend yourself." You made a case on me, I defend myself.

-That post was in light of the bandwagon-for-the-hell-of-it thing going on. ooba and korts were just bandwagoning carelessly, which is never a good thing for the town.

[Andycyca]

No, not vanilla.